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The question of the snake in Genesis.

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No one, there was no one around to pollute their minds so they remained without Gods,
So religion came after your parents were born?

Or did your parents live in a cave, or what?

I'm trying to figure out why you would call yourself an atheist in spite of how you were brought up; yet are harping that everyone follows in their parents' footsteps.

Somewhere along the line, you went Nimrod on your parents, and are now telling us there is no such thing as Nimrods.

I don't get it.
 
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So religion came after your parents were born?
No they were never religious.
I'm trying to figure out why you would call yourself an atheist in spite of how you were brought up; yet are harping that everyone follows in their parents' footsteps.
I did follow in my parents footsteps, like them I remained as I was when I was born.
When I joined CF I had to identify myself as something, as I had no religion I put atheist, before that I had never given it a second thought, as far as I am concerned religions are for the indoctrinated, fools and desperate people, why else would anyone have a religion, there was no such thing as sin before Christianity came on the scene, if there was no such thing as crime no one would need to carry a gun.
I don't get it.
There are a host of things you don't get AV, or perhaps you just won't let yourself get them.
 
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When I joined CF I had to identify myself as something,
No, you didn't.

You could have highlighted the "blank" field in your selection of faith icons.

Unless, of course, you have some specific agenda you want to push.
 
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No they were never religious.
I did follow in my parents footsteps, like them I remained as I was when I was born.
When I joined CF I had to identify myself as something, as I had no religion I put atheist, before that I had never given it a second thought, as far as I am concerned religions are for the indoctrinated, fools and desperate people, why else would anyone have a religion, there was no such thing as sin before Christianity came on the scene, if there was no such thing as crime no one would need to carry a gun.

There are a host of things you don't get AV, or perhaps you just won't let yourself get them.

If there was no such thing as sin before Christianity, then why did the ancient Israelites sacrifice an unblemished animal for their sins? I think
you are extremely uninformed.
 
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Except, that isnt his name - satan, and the president is not always the same person. You say Mr. PRESIDENT to be formal, or "President [name here]" for specificity. Names are important spiritually, which is why exorcising priests - including Christ - ask for names. Calling every evil thing satan is just calling it by its title. Is it Azazel, Loki, Heylel... how can you know your enemy if you dont know its name (especially when the identity is in their name)?



What you are describing is familiar relationships, especially between both intelligible parties. If you do not know Azazel, then saying "satan" did what Azazel did without identifying him is useless. Satan is a Hebrew term that means adversary.



Christ never said that angels can't mate. He never said they couldn't choose to leave their first estate for earthly women. Genesis 6 clearly states the sons of God found the daughters of men fair, and took them as wives. They had sex with them, and produced the nephilim, rephaim, anakim, and emim. Christ said there is no need for angels to mate in heaven, and that they won't be given into, or marry. This is because they are perfect in all ways. Remember Adam was Adam and Eve before God split them, then gave them marriage (intercourse) to physically join as one? Same scenario. I want to see where Christ says specifically that angels cannot have sex.



You mean believing Enoch over the centuries of shredded and chopped up texts in a pile of discarded, stolen and hidden documents we call our Canon? Considering it is still in the Ethiopian bible, was considered canon, and the incredible job the Church is doing spreading the truth, I trust no man except Christ. And, no man has the authority to tell me what is inspired of God. That is my spiritual responsibility between my Father and I.

But, I do read and compare. I have read Enoch, and Christ's words, God's words, the prophets, etc. I see no contradictions. Angels have no need to procreate. There will be no sex in heaven. We are talking about entities that gave up heaven to do things. That is why they are fallen.



(Luk 8:30) And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.
(Mat 4:1) Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
(Mat 4:10) Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
(Mar 1:13) And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.

There are many devils--even Jesus called him Satan----so it means adversary--he is THE adversary--he is referred to as THE devil--Jesus didn't call him by any other name. And Christ didn't pursue the matter of the names of the Legion--the terms have been interchangeable, Satan--THE devil--singular, as he is the main evil, the one that brought the others to their rebellion against God.
The verse about the sons of God finding the daughters of men fair means quite simply that the those men were followers of God--but they chose women who were not followers of God--unequally yoked. Nothing else! That eventually led to the whole population being so evil God had to destroy them all except for 8.
There are 3 little words God said after the creation which makes breeding between the species impossible--"After his kind."---no bird men, no horses with human torsos, no angel/human crossbreeds---that is simply imagination gone wild. There is no mention of angels being able to procreate--they are an entirely different breed--we are made in the image of God--They are not. People are making them into sexual partners for humans--absurd--and even if that were possible---where are those offspring now, if the demons were able to father children with humans then, then they should be able to do so now--what made them quite??--they been celibate this long after having been bedmates with us?? Haven't seen a bunch of really tall creatures with wings hanging around lately--haven't seen any humans born with wings except in the movies. God made earthly creatures to mate and populate the world--the angels are not made in the image of God, they are made as servants and messengers to God--it is humans who have given them sexuality when they have none. That is not in any way why they fell, they fell from listening to Lucifer instead of God, and he fell because of wanting to be God.

Some man claiming to be Enoch has been telling you what to think--here is also the gospel of Judas, the books that claim Jesus was married--you believe those too??
 
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I did not know that, can I change it to blank now?
I just tried it with my profile and it didn't work.

So I guess you're stuck with a faith icon you didn't want in the first place.

You should have picked the one your parents were.

That way you wouldn't sound hypocritical when you harp on peoples' kids turning out like their parents.
 
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You should have picked the one your parents were.
I did not know I was able to pick blank and as I only have your word that blank is even a choice I'm??
That way you wouldn't sound hypocritical when you harp on peoples' kids turning out like their parents.
Do you think Muslim kids turn out like their parents? how about Hindu kids?
 
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET
Did you turn out like your parents?

What day is it?

I hope you don't mind if I take a leaf out of your book and answer a question with a question?

AV1611vet takes the shot from the point, a booming shot, but wait, The shot is "deflected" wide by JayFern.

Why is it that simple, understandable statements made here, statements acceptable in normal conversations, are deflected with comments like this?

Jay, are you saying that you don't understand the relevance of AV's question in response to yours?
I took you for being more cognitive than that.
 
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET
Did you turn out like your parents?



AV1611vet takes the shot from the point, a booming shot, but wait, The shot is "deflected" wide by JayFern.

Why is it that simple, understandable statements made here, statements acceptable in normal conversations, are deflected with comments like this?
We're taking a page out of the creationist playbook, perhaps?
 
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(Luk 8:30) And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.
(Mat 4:1) Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
(Mat 4:10) Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
(Mar 1:13) And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.

There are many devils--even Jesus called him Satan----so it means adversary--he is THE adversary--he is referred to as THE devil--Jesus didn't call him by any other name. And Christ didn't pursue the matter of the names of the Legion--the terms have been interchangeable, Satan--THE devil--singular, as he is the main evil, the one that brought the others to their rebellion against God.
The verse about the sons of God finding the daughters of men fair means quite simply that the those men were followers of God--but they chose women who were not followers of God--unequally yoked. Nothing else! That eventually led to the whole population being so evil God had to destroy them all except for 8.
There are 3 little words God said after the creation which makes breeding between the species impossible--"After his kind."---no bird men, no horses with human torsos, no angel/human crossbreeds---that is simply imagination gone wild. There is no mention of angels being able to procreate--they are an entirely different breed--we are made in the image of God--They are not. People are making them into sexual partners for humans--absurd--and even if that were possible---where are those offspring now, if the demons were able to father children with humans then, then they should be able to do so now--what made them quite??--they been celibate this long after having been bedmates with us?? Haven't seen a bunch of really tall creatures with wings hanging around lately--haven't seen any humans born with wings except in the movies. God made earthly creatures to mate and populate the world--the angels are not made in the image of God, they are made as servants and messengers to God--it is humans who have given them sexuality when they have none. That is not in any way why they fell, they fell from listening to Lucifer instead of God, and he fell because of wanting to be God.

Some man claiming to be Enoch has been telling you what to think--here is also the gospel of Judas, the books that claim Jesus was married--you believe those too??


I must disagree here. There were no demons until after the flood. The demons are the souls of the deceased Nephilim. The "sons of God" are, in fact, fallen angels that left their first estate and had children with human women. The nephilim were human/angel hybrids and their souls are now the evil spirits and demons talked about in scripture and other literature. This is why demons show up after the flood and not before. Angels are angels, they don't die and therefore are always in that state, however they are either fallen or committed to God.

The "Book of Enoch" is not canonized scripture however, neither is any of the writings of Socrates, Leonardo De Vince, Plato, and they are taken at face value and are very informative and useful.
The "Book of Enoch" can be compared, or paralleled with "the Book of Jasher" and the "Book of Jubilee" These three compilations are used extensively when researching Biblical events. They parallel the Bible in astonishing ways. The book of Enoch is also quoted in the Biblical book of Jude:
Jude 1:14International Standard Version (ISV)

14 Enoch, in the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied about these people when he said,
“Look! The Lord has come with countless thousands of his holy ones.



In my opinion, if the Bible quotes it, it must have some merit.

In this book, written by the only man that so touched God's heart that He took him away and he didn't die, is the account of the nephilim and the fact that these fallen angels set into motion a avalanche of corruption that affected "all flesh":
Genesis 6:12
And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

and resulted in God wiping out all living things accept for Noah, his wife, his three sons and their wives. Noah's family was the only pure bloodline left. This is why God choose him and his family.

I wouldn't be so quick to throw out these books. They are a fantastic lens into the ancient times and, in the case of the Book of Enoch, some very interesting prophecy and windows into creation and the heavenly world. Enoch had a revelation not unlike that of John with his book which is the Revelation of Jesus Christ to John
 
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If you want to water it down and pretend that "lack of belief in Gods"
doesn't mean "I choose not to believe in Gods" then o.k.

Does that mean that your belief is a choice and that you could choose to belive in something else?
 
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Sometimes, I take for granted that people seriously believe these things. And then, on days like today, it just smacks me in the head like a ton of bricks.

Today, I weep for humanity.

Don't go to the politics section then. If this makes you cry, that area of the site will make your eyes commit suicide
 
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Do you think Muslim kids turn out like their parents? how about Hindu kids?

Did you turn out like your parents?

What day is it?

I hope you don't mind if I take a leaf out of your book and answer a question with a question?

AV1611vet takes the shot from the point, a booming shot, but wait, The shot is "deflected" wide by JayFern.

Why is it that simple, understandable statements made here, statements acceptable in normal conversations, are deflected with comments like this?

Jay, are you saying that you don't understand the relevance of AV's question in response to yours?
I took you for being more cognitive than that.
Please read this from the top of this post then see if you would ask me that same question again, or are you of the same mind that a question should be answered with a question? when people do that they are 'deflecting' because they do not want to answer the question, you should already know this because it's way up on the 'how to defend your faith list' taught to and long used by creationists.
 
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