The question cessationists must answer.

[NBB]

Was this minister filled with holiness and living free from sin?

As far as i know he has good testimony/life. Doesn't teach anything controversial either.
I know is a 'strong sign' maybe hard to believe on the internet, but it happened to me.

 

[W2L]

Where does the Word show that the gift of Apostles has ceased or would cease?

If God still calls apostles and prophets, then why are the churches divided? Can a church that is divided over doctrine actually be called by God? Arent their teachers wrong, and therefore not gifted at all?

 

[Alithis]

The sign gifts being bestowed by God to someone cease at end of the Apostolic Age.

Yoy are just making that up lol.
Its not going to become true just because you say it.
Its not scripture
Its just your opinion .
As we have testified
..in my own life the deaf hear
The lame walk devils are cast out.
People come up out of water baptism and suddenly speak in tongues
God is faithful to his word
No matter how much you try to say he is noT.

 

[YeshuaFan]

Do you have the gift of common sense?
Can you read ? Can you please quote the scripture listing that as a gift?
Of course not.
Your reply is on the level of childishness.

Its one of the listed things that an Apostle was able to do at that time!

 

[Francis Drake]

I dont know about you all but im the temple of the Holy Spirit, im a Son of God Himself. I dont have demons. I have issues yes, but not demons. Thats faith.

Its not faith at all, its naivety.
The temple of the Lord in the OT, despite the presence of the Lord, was in periods of apostasy filled with idols (demons).
Those demonic idols remained in the temple until a righteous king came along to cleanse the temple by casting the idols out.

Had deliberate action not been taken, the demons would have remained in that temple.
Likewise in your temple, or in any other believer or unbeliever's temple.

 

[NBB]

No. same message as always, , that no true Christian can ever be possessed by one, but can be oppressed by one!

Its called 'demonization' and is not possesion, if you don't know about it, you can't tell all the people who actually have experience on this, that what they are living is a lie.
And even if God didn't say we need to cast demons as a command, we need to take example of the disciples and free ourselves and other people from the devil hands, this cessationist way of yours seems to have no way on dealing with demons other than defending yourself somehow, sometimes you need to cast them out.

 

[YeshuaFan]

You are going in a circle. Didnt you see where people were posting that poison drinking and casting out demons proved that we have the gifts of the spirit? They even claimed that we are commanded to do those things! Dont you see the relevance of my question now?

Those who are into signs and wonder s and Charismatic Chaos will quote the scriptures all of the time, but once needed to do an actual healing or another sign, get strangely silent!

 

[YeshuaFan]

Am i conversing with 9 year olds?
Its refered to as a sign .and pauls incident is by no means the only.
There are indeed incidents and testimonies many times.
But you do not recieve testimony.
You are filled with choosing unbelief.

It speaks of when a person through no fault of thier own is poisened.. They are not harmed. Not from immunity but from the power of God who created the heavens and the earth. And with whom nothing is impossible.
Many missionaries have had local witch Doctors poisen them . but they gave thanks for thier food and were unharmed.as a sign to the sinners. Who later converted due to the Gospel being accompanied by the msnifestation of the Power of God.
It occurs far more often then you know.

But hough one came back from the dead (i know such a man )...still you choose ...you will to not believe them.

You need to repent.
Metanioa ..to change your mind

You are presenting a Christianity that is not in the Bible, as jesus Himself promised us persecution and tough times to follow those who live godly for Him in this present evil age, as Satan is still the god of this earth, in that we are running the way he wants it done, but when Jesus returns, than shall we have that blessing in full promised to us!

 

[YeshuaFan]

Have you heard of the fallacy of ad-hominem?

Ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a logical fallacy in which an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.​

Sure I am.

Unbelief in the fanciful unsubstantiated 2nd hand stories from internet strangers that are offered as proof of miracles.
Unbelief in the claims that people are speaking in tongues when it doesn't match the biblical description.
Unbelief in the claims that thoughts popping into people's heads is prophecy.
Unbelief in the claims that apostles exist today, when nobody can meet the biblical qualifications.
Unbelief in the claims that the leg lengthening parlor trick is really a faith healer growing a limb.
Unbelief in the claims that someone is miraculously healed when it takes 3 months to get better.
Unbelief in the claim that being 'slain in the Spirit' is really a work of the Holy Spirit.
Unbelief that of claims of someone's back pain easing during an adrenaline flowing faith healing spectacle is really a healing. when it returns the next day.
Unbelief in the health and wealth gospel.

What I believe are the scriptures. And pentecostal/charismatic ideas and practices do not align with them.



Ah once again we resort to unproven pentecostal hearsay. For every one of them fanciful 2nd hand stories, I could get you a hundred examples of Christians who have been hurt or even died of snake bites.



Of what exactly?

I am still waiting to see if all of those faith warriors in Hebrews 11 experienced that full blessing and so called abundant living right here and now!

 

[NBB]

What verse shows to us in the NT that a real Believer had a demon possessing them after salvation?

Read the other reply, you can have demons there doing a lot of trouble and not be possesed, they can be there inside until someone or you cast them out.
And the devil has more things going on, on christians, specially from their past, when they were kids even, that they know about, God needs to brings those things to light.

 

[YeshuaFan]

Wrong I'm afraid. There are a number of verses that say certain gifts were only for the foundation of the church, that certain gifts had a purpose which was fulfilled, that certain gifts would cease when 'completeness' comes, etc. And cease they did, as confirmed by history. I would say there is more evidence for cessationism in scripture than there is for continuationism.

There are also plenty of verses giving descriptions of the supernatural gifts, and they do not match what people today call the same gifts.



And is there any verse in scripture that says the supernatural gifts would continue throughout the church age?

Part of the entire Charismatic Eschatology though is that they see God restoring back the Church to being like in Acts, in order to take dominion and control over the Kingdom of Devil here on earth. Some of them even hold to the latter day/manifest sons of God theology, that holds that God will grant to His own glorified bodies right here and now, and have them exercise god like powers and abilities!

 

[W2L]

Its not faith at all, its naivety.
The temple of the Lord in the OT,

despite the presence of the Lord, ​

was on many occasions filled with idols (demons). It remained like that until a righteous king came along and cast the idols out.
Had action not been taken, the demons would have remained in that temple. Likewise yours.

He takes action in every believer who follows Him. Thats what the Holy Spirit is for.

 

[YeshuaFan]

Read the other reply, you can have demons there doing a lot of trouble and not be possesed, they can be there inside until someone or you cast them out.
And the devil has more things going on, on christians, specially from their past, when they were kids even, that they know about, God needs to brings those things to light.

Still not one verse that states possession though, correct?

 

[YeshuaFan]

Silly question.
..how many times Did they do so?
Niether is recorded.
Still using empty ambiguities .
Sigh .
The cessationist simply has ZERO scriptural basis fir what is Nothing more then thier OPINION wjich has benn learned from other non believers.

So you are admitting not one verse in any Epistle that commands us to cast out demons from believers?

 

[YeshuaFan]

Yoy are just making that up lol.
Its not going to become true just because you say it.
Its not scripture
Its just your opinion .
As we have testified
..in my own life the deaf hear
The lame walk devils are cast out.
People come up out of eater baptism and suddenly speak in tongues
God is faithful to his word
No matter how much you try to say he is noT.

IF there are any healings/miracle being done today, its the Lord doing them diretly, and not thru anyone gifted by Him to do them, and they would be in the distinct minority, as a majority of the time there will not be the signs and wonders done that as being the normal way for today!

 

[NBB]

Still not one verse that states possession though, correct?

Supposedly you can't be possesed, i don't know about that exactly, but 'demonization' i think is called, evil spirits inside of you causing trouble, yes you can have, specially like i said from your past, they just don't go away when someone converts.

Like i said, the devil has more things going on on christians, and christians don't realize, for example i hope i'm able to say this here, i was free of OCD, how many christians have problems with this?? a lot, and in my case it was an evil spirit doing that, i will defend myself on this, because is true, those 'intrusive thoughts' were an evil spirit in my case, and they stopped immediately after i casted that thing out.

 

[YeshuaFan]

Its not faith at all, its naivety.
The temple of the Lord in the OT,

despite the presence of the Lord, ​

was on many occasions filled with idols (demons). It remained like that until a righteous king came along and cast the idols out.
Had action not been taken, the demons would have remained in that temple. Likewise yours.

The Holy Spirit is a jealous God, and will not tolerate any other Spirit but Him in us!

 

[Alithis]

What verse shows to us in the NT that a real Believer had a demon possessing them after salvation?

What verse shows they did not..?
Quit the sideshow of ambiguity.

 

[Alithis]

The Holy Spirit is a jealous God, and will not tolerate any other Spirit but Him in us!

This is true.. So when you dont tolerate something
You drive it out.

 

[Alithis]

Its one of the listed things that an Apostle was able to do at that time!

More ambiguity..
Let me remind of something Jesus said
Directly..

And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and NOTHING shall be impossible unto you...

Well .there we have it .
NOTHING

Not tongues not healing not driving out.
devils.
NOTHING ... One should think through the implications of thier spouted opinions.
For in those opinions people are implying the words of the Lord JESUS to be false.

Ya all need to repent of doing that

 

[NBB]

The Holy Spirit is a jealous God, and will not tolerate any other Spirit but Him in us!

You just don't know, and you are talking in theory, but in practice, christians can have spirits that need to be casted out...