The question cessationists must answer.

Hillsage said:

I just finished your Curry video. I thought he taught a lot of good stuff. I also thought he had a 'back up' calling as a comedian.

One thing I differ with him on though is this; he doesn't distinguish the difference between the spiritual anointing that is within you which is the holy spirit of Christ, and the anointing that is upon you, which is the Holy Spirit of God. Jesus never received the Holy Spirit until he was 30, establishing the pattern we follow and the 'fundamentals' don't. But Jesus, as 'the son of man' walked in the anointing within Him that came from having the spirit of Christ. A spirit which matured Him into becoming the manifested 'son of God'. A title which was audibly attested to, by the Father at the Holy Spirit baptism of Jesus.

Concerning the anointing within that scripture says keeps you from needing 'any man to teach you' is why Curry Blake said "if a (five fold) teacher is doing a good job it will be the anointing of the spirit within that truly teaches you the spiritual things of God, and not just man's teaching. Curry said that it's the Holy Spirit within, but like I say (being a bigger heretic than you ) I disagree with him on 'that point' only. Which is pretty good for me. I have actually listened to almost all of another video from him, while working on my Fat tire bike this afternoon.

And it was that same 'spirit of Christ' in "Jesus the Christ" by which he grew in wisdom and favor with God. But it was the Holy Spirit which enabled him to move in supernatural Spiritual power.

LUK 2:40 And the child grew and became strong, filled with wisdom; and the favor of God was upon him.

It was 'that Christ spirit' within which led Him to grow to maturity and become the perfect sacrifice.

HEB 5:8 Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered
9 and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him

This is why I believe the fundamentals are so 'fruit' conscious. That's within their anointing, whereas walking in the supernatural 'gifts' is not. But no where is 'fruit' only, or 'gifts' only the call of maturity. It is not an either or calling but a 'both and' calling. God wants us to both walk in His character/fruit and in His power/gifts.

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swordsman1 said:

Wrong I'm afraid. Jesus still has a body - a glorious one.

Phil 2:5-8 "we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body"​

Paul met the resurrected Christ - in person. Just as he said he did.

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W2L said:

I dont base my reasoning on any scripture but rather i base it on the lack of real apostles and teachers in the church today.

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Alithis said:

Yeah...that rather proves what i said.

Which is..
I dont think any one arrives at a cessationist conclusion by reading the scripture.its all taught and passed on externally.

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W2L said:

You did some mocking yourself.

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Deborah D said:

SM has mocked God. I have not!!!! You can mock me all you want, but when you start mocking the gifts of the Holy Spirit, you are mocking God! I know that you don't have a clue what I'm saying, and I honestly feel sorry for you, but I will keep praying for you as the Holy Spirit leads me to.

I'm done with this thread. You have heard the truth. If you continue to reject God's truth, it's all on you.

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Deborah D said:

SM has mocked God. I have not!!!! You can mock me all you want, but when you start mocking the gifts of the Holy Spirit, you are mocking God! I know that you don't have a clue what I'm saying, and I honestly feel sorry for you, but I will keep praying for you as the Holy Spirit leads me to.

I'm done with this thread. You have heard the truth. If you continue to reject God's truth, it's all on you.

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Alithis said:

You may want to listen to it more then once.
The mibd takes a while to get renewed.
The word anointed
Is about being apointed to a task or office.
Its nothing about power.
The power or authority is what any believee is appointed to walk in once they recieve the Holy Spirit.
Once ww have. We then begin to take action because we believe in JESUS.
Not be cause we wait around for some mystical feeling.
Im not a full time Gospel worker because i recieved some special anointing.
Im one because i .same as others, received the holy Spirit .
Then after many wasted years listening to churches teach about waiting seeking getting some special mystical anointing
..i repented of not believing i already have the holy spirit... And began to do (and learn)what the lord jesus told us to do.
Just saying the facts...
It led to us both leaving jobs selling house forsaking seeking anything worldy and doing the great commission.

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Francis Drake said:

Most churches centre around one man, men, or other entertainment at the front, with most members sitting passively in rows until told to sing, and in my book, that does not do what scripture calls for.

Heb10v24And let us consider how to spur one another on to love and good deeds.
There is no spurring of one another in most churches, the members being mostly passive.

25Let us not neglect meeting together, as some have made a habit,
There's lots of meeting before the pastor, but little meeting together.

but let us encourage one another, and all the more as you see the Day approaching.
Again there is no one another, just from the man in front who commands the whole show whilst the congregation remain passive.


I attend services to get my car fixed. I don't go to church to get serviced, and in fact Paul never mentioned services.

Neither Jesus nor Paul intended churches to operate like they do. We are members of the one body of Christ and are all called to minister by the gifts of the Holy Spirit, just as Paul describes here.-
1Cor14v26What then shall we say, brothers? When you come together, everyone has a psalm or a teaching, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. All of these must be done to build up the church.

I am not interested in one man pretending to be the fountain of all knowledge. I want to hear what the Holy Spirit is speaking, fresh every time.

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Francis Drake said:

So you were wrong when you said all demons had to flee the moment we are saved.

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Deborah D said:

Only certain versions say it is disputed. As I said earlier, KJV, HCSB and AMPC don't.

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W2L said:

I dunno but thats an excuse i've heard. Such a statement would damage someones faith more than build it up. The worst part about it is that false teachers gat praised while their victims are left without an ounce of edification from their brethren. This however is a blessing because God gives us His strength and peace. Gods strength is made perfect in our weaknesses.

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Alithis said:

if you dont believe its his will to heal,then you dont believe its his will to save either.

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Alithis said:

i encourage you to read the scriptures, the lord doesnt tell s to ask him to heal the sick, he tells us to do it in his name...

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Alithis said:

well then there is NOTHING satan can do,,,that includes keep you sick

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NBB said:

And i have a good reason to go to church to meet God , i received the Holy spirit there, i met God the first time there, the presence of God, so it is not worthless at all at least for me, and defective as people in the church may be, i'm not trying to correct you or anything, but we need our brothers. I have autism so i don't get even to salute people in the church, or talk much, but there is some things that happen spiritually when we get in a reunion with the brothers, things happen.

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swordsman1 said:

And if we are not healed, is it because we don't have enough faith?

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Alithis said:

paul didnt see The lord Jesus "in the flesh"
so that theories debunked before you started it.
but i guess a guy i know who died and saw the lord Jesus and came back to life ,must qualify
oh wait he does speak in tongues and heal and sees signs and wonders...oh well there you have it.

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swordsman1 said:

Ah, I was wondering why you are so vehement about there being apostles today. You claim to be one yourself!

Are you an eye-witness to the resurrected Christ?

Were you appointed by Christ himself?

Do you have the marks of an apostle and perform miracles such as raising people from the dead?

Do you speak infallibly for Christ as his spokesman?

Should we regard your posts as scripture?

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swordsman1 said:

And we still have them. Paul, John, Peter, Matthew, James.... They are still building up the body of Christ and equipping his people.



That is not true. Paul regarded himself just as much an apostle as the Twelve.

• 2 Cor 11:5 "For I consider myself not in the least inferior to the most eminent apostles."
• He associated himself himself with the Twelve 1 Cor 4:9 "God has put us apostles on display"
• He appealed to his eye-witness status as evidence of his apostleship.
• He performed miracles like the Twelve.
• He wrote more scripture than all the others put together.
• He was prepared to make a stand against Peter.
• Like the twelve he did not receive the gospel from any man, but from Christ himself (Gal. 1:11-12)

Apostles and prophets were for the foundation of the church with Christ the cornerstone (Eph 2:20). Are we still laying the foundation of the church?

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