There cannot be more than 12 apostles. Gifts are for common good, and they need not be spectacular.
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There cannot be more than 12 apostles. Gifts are for common good, and they need not be spectacular.God can still do as he wishes, but he has chosen to not have any modern Apostles/Prophets, nor to have any gifted with those sign gifts!
I am not concerned in private prayer inside a room. What concerns me is the loud gibberish utterances in a congregation.
That passage is mainly addressing those who will come to Jesus to get saved by Him, and all of the redeemed indeed hear from God in the scriptures!
You're right when you say that this is not about gibberish. Praying in the Spirit is not gibberish!!!This is not related to gibberish talk
Ha! That would be funny if it were not SO tragic! Medicine probably kills as many people in the U.S. as disease! I'm not ruling out the possibility of God using doctors--if God directs a Christian to seek medical advice. But it doesn't pay for a Christian to place his/her trust in medical science.Yes, thru medicine, surgeons, divine healing etc, and many times He also chooses to allow the Christian to die and pass on to glory!
That passage is mainly addressing those who will come to Jesus to get saved by Him, and all of the redeemed indeed hear from God in the scriptures!
Now there's a double standard hypocrisy if ever there was one.Well "the perfect" or "completion" must either mean the return of Christ or the completion of the canon. The evidence from the context, seeing that Christ or his returned is never mentioned in the passage, is it is more likely to be the latter.
Its not about the suddenness of Christ's return, but the steady approach to its perfection or completion as seen through the ages."going through the necessary stages to reach the end-goal" and "fulfilling the necessary process (spiritual journey)" are hardly apt descriptions of the instantaneous and glorious return of the Lord. In the passage Paul describes the completion process using the metaphor of a child maturing into a adult (1 Cor 13:11). Again, hardly an apt metaphor for the sudden and awesome Day of the Lord.
If I came down with say cancer, would I seek to have the Lord heal me? Yes, but He also is sovereign , so he could heal directly, by surgery, by medicine, or by physical death!Ha! That would be funny if it were not SO tragic! Medicine probably kills as many people in the U.S. as disease! I'm not ruling out the possibility of God using doctors--if God directs a Christian to seek medical advice. But it doesn't pay for a Christian to place his/her trust in medical science.
Is the language a real language, per Acts, the tongues were real but unlearned languages!You're right when you say that this is not about gibberish. Praying in the Spirit is not gibberish!!!
How many times will this lie about praying in the Spirit be repeated? How about 100 more times? Do you think that I'll be convinced if it's repeated that many times?
Where were they tongues for personal prayers given though? As always was in a church or group meeting setting!Like I said, what right do you have to say that someone praising God in a tongue is talking "gibberish"? Unless it's case of, "well I don't understand it, so it must be."
Who besides the Apostles were given sign gifts in acts then?Now there's a double standard hypocrisy if ever there was one.
You falsely judge the "return of Christ" as not relevant to "the perfect" or "completion".
You then bizarrely claim those words must therefore refer to your "completion of the cannon" when you know that that concept is never even mentioned in that passage, that book, or anywhere else in scripture!
Yet more fakery from Cessationists, but in contrast, I can proves those words are used for eschatological purposes.
Its not about the suddenness of Christ's return, but the steady approach to its perfection or completion as seen through the ages.
But here's your previous attack on my use of the Greek word Teleios for that completion and perfection.
"Where is Christ's return mentioned here? 'The perfect' or 'completion' (as many versions better translate teleios) is not the return of the Christ. The word teleios in scripture is never associated with the return of Christ or anything eschatological."
"Never associated with the return of Christ?"
Really?
The scriptures use derivatives of Teleios several times in direct association with the return of Christ, and the end of the age.
A common word derived from teleios is synteleia.
Cognate: 4930 syntéleia (from 4862 /sýn, "close together with" and 5055 /teléō, "complete, consummate") – culmination (completion), i.e. when the parts come together into a whole ("consummation") – "an end involving many parts" (B. F. Westcott). See 4931 (synteléō).
4930 /syntéleia ("culminating end, finish") is not strictly "termination" but rather "consummation" (completion) that ushers in a new time-era/age (Mt 13:39,40,49,24:3, 28:20).
We can see that usage in the following three verses referring to the consummation of the age and Christ's return.
Matt24v3And as He was sitting upon the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him in private, saying, "Tell us, when these things will be? And what is the sign of Your coming, and the consummation of the age?"
Matt28v20. teaching them to observe all things, whatever I commanded you. And behold, I am with you all the days, until the completion of the age."
Heb9v26. Otherwise it was necessary for Him to have suffered repeatedly from the foundation of the world. But now He has been revealed once in the consummation of the ages for the putting away of sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
On the basis of the above verses and others, it is perfectly legitimate to presume the following verse refers to the return of Christ and his reign in perfection.
1Cor13v10but when perfection (completeness) comes, what is in part disappears.
Jesus always speaks to us thru the scriptures!
What??? New scriptures that have never been revealed before??? And God showed them to you???
Some of us on this forum have actually read ALL that is revealed in the Bible! And we base our theology on it ALL.
Who besides the Apostles were given sign gifts in acts then?
What??? New scriptures that have never been revealed before??? And God showed them to you???
Some of us on this forum have actually read ALL that is revealed in the Bible! And we base our theology on it ALL.
Yes Jesus did a lot of that didn't he.If I came down with say cancer, would I seek to have the Lord heal me? Yes, but He also is sovereign , so he could heal directly, by surgery, by medicine, or by physical death!
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