The question cessationists must answer.

[W2L]

I do believe that there are apostles today. The word apostle means "one who is sent out." Some Christians see those sent out to plant churches as apostles. Other Christians see the gift differently.

That doesn't mean that present-day apostles have been anointed to write the Bible. They clearly are not anointed for that task, which was completed in the first century or so.

Where are these apostles?

 

[swordsman1]

You are very mistaken here, not all christians are filled with the Holy spirit, you need to seek this most of the time,

I wasn't talking about being 'filled' with the Spirit, I was talking about being 'baptized in the Spirit".

Paul, he was already a believer but that person prayed for him and he received the Holy spirit, others already believers, were asked 'Did you received the Holy spirit?' and they responded with 'we not even heard of the Holy spirit'. They prayed and they received it, already believers... NO not all christians are filled with the Holy spirit.

I wasn't talking about initially receiving the Holy Spirit either. But as you mention it, the disciples in Acts 19 were not Christians, they were disciples of John the Baptist.

 

[Deborah D]

Where are these apostles?

I don't know any personally, so I can't tell you where any of them are. In the past I've known Christians sent out to plant churches. I would imagine their all over the world--wherever the Holy Spirit has sent them.

 

[W2L]

I don't know any personally, so I can't tell you where any of them are. In the past I've known Christians sent out to plant churches. I would imagine their all over the world--wherever the Holy Spirit has sent them.

God doesn't need to send apostles now because His Word is the apostle. Faith comes by hearing says the scriptures. It doesn't say faith comes by seeing miracles.

 

[swordsman1]

Wrong, we can hear his voice, don't put limits to what God can do, it is not 'your feelings' is his spiritual voice, this has happened to me, i was guided by him and corrected by him in some instances.

You haven't told us what 'his voice" is. Is it his literal voice speaking to you in English?

 

[NBB]

I wasn't talking about being 'filled' with the Spirit, I was talking about being 'baptized in the Spirit".



I wasn't talking about initially receiving the Holy Spirit either. But as you mention it, the disciples in Acts 19 were not Christians, they were disciples of John the Baptist.

Baptized in the Holy spirit and being filled is the same... unless you are talking about something else.

 

[Deborah D]

God doesn't need to send apostles now because His Word is the apostle. Faith comes by hearing says the scriptures. It doesn't say faith comes by seeing miracles.

You don't see the need to plant churches in places that don't have a church? Where the Bible can be preached....

 

[swordsman1]

It's dangerous to assume that something in the Bible is figurative when it's not.

But John 10:6 says that Jesus was speaking figuratively.

What does it mean that I hear anyone's voice when they are talking to me? Are you saying that a mere human can talk to me, but God can't or won't even though He said otherwise in the Scriptures?

Are you saying you literally hear Christ's voice speaking to you in English?

Some Christians are willing to say that the devil can speak to us (i.e. put thoughts in our heads), but they say that the HOLY Spirit can't.

So the thoughts in your head is Jesus speaking to you?

Sorry I'm confused by what your saying.

 

[Deborah D]

You haven't told us what 'his voice" is. Is it his literal voice speaking to you in English?

Was my answer about hearing God's voice not enough for you? Why do you have a problem with God making His "voice" heard by those of us who have a relationship with Him?

 

[NBB]

You haven't told us what 'his voice" is. Is it his literal voice speaking to you in English?

No most of the time is spiritual words, you understand them but are not spoken they are sort of 'imprinted' in your inner self with a not audible voice, and you recongize is from God because usually you can sense it is from Him. Anyway God makes himself understand. When God speaks something to you, you are very encouraged usually, that him gives us attention is one of the best things that can happen. And confirm us, it increases our faith, and reminds us that he didn't forget about us, or abandoned us, the bible say he will not abandon us, but personally i can't just live all my life with only the bible, i need actually something from God himself.

 

[W2L]

You don't see the need to create churches in places that don't have a church? Where the Bible can be preached....

Yes i do. That doesn't require an apostle though.

 

[Deborah D]

Was my answer about hearing God's voice not enough for you? Why do you have a problem with God making His "voice" heard by those of us who have a relationship with Him?

WHAT??? It says NOTHING of the sort!

Maybe you need to define your terms. What do you mean by figurative?

 

[Deborah D]

Yes i do. That doesn't require an apostle though.

Then what do you call Christians sent out to plant churches?

 

[W2L]

Then what do you call Christians sent out to plant churches?

Evangelists.

 

[swordsman1]

I do believe that there are apostles today. The word apostle means "one who is sent out." Some Christians see those sent out to plant churches as apostles. Other Christians see the gift differently.

But we don't call them 'apostles', we call them 'church planters'.

When the word "apostles" appears in scripture it is not referring to common everyday church planters as we have today, it is referring to the dozen or so miracle working, scripture writing, divinely appointed, 1st century Apostles of Christ.

That doesn't mean that present-day apostles have been anointed to write the Bible. They clearly are not anointed for that task, which was completed in the first century or so.

Right, so the gift of apostleship as seen in the 1st century apostles, has ceased.

 

[Deborah D]

Evangelists.

I see evangelist as ones who preach the gospel specifically. I'm sure there's some overlap in the gifts, though. I mean, teachers and those with the gift of giving can also preach the gospel and should....

 

[Deborah D]

But we don't call them 'apostles', we call them 'church planters'.

When the word "apostles" appears in scripture it is not referring to common everyday church planters as we have today, it is referring to the dozen or so miracle working, scripture writing, divinely appointed, 1st century Apostles of Christ.



Right, so the gift of apostleship as seen in the 1st century apostles, has ceased.

Your definition of apostle is clearly too narrow. LOL, "common, everyday church planters." The apostles who were anointed to "write the Bible" were NOT the only apostles spoken of in the New Testament. I believe this was already explained to you.

And why do you assume that what Jesus said about hearing His voice in John 10 is figurative? What do you mean by that?

 

[swordsman1]

Baptized in the Holy spirit and being filled is the same... unless you are talking about something else.

Hmmm. Not sure about that. The disciples were filled on multiple occasions. Eg. Peter was filled at Pentecost, he was filled again when he stood before the Sanhedrin in Acts 4:8, and filled again in Acts 4:31. Was Peter baptized in the Spirit multiple times?

 

[swordsman1]

Was my answer about hearing God's voice not enough for you? Why do you have a problem with God making His "voice" heard by those of us who have a relationship with Him?

No it wasn't. You seem very obscure to me. You haven't told us what you mean by 'his voice'. Is it his literal voice? Thoughts in your head? or what? Please tell us plainly.

 

[Deborah D]

No it wasn't. You seem very obscure to me. You haven't told us what you mean by 'his voice'. Is it his literal voice? Thoughts in your head? or what? Please tell us plainly.

Please, explain what you mean by a figurative voice.