The question cessationists must answer.

[Billy Evmur]

In Acts, God distributed the gifts in the two outpourings. And then only through the hands of an apostle. Only an apostle could impart them. When the apostles died off, only the ministerial gifts remained. Tongues, prophecy. word of knowledge, signs and wonders all ceased.

Phillip who preached in Samaria is not the apostle Phillip. Stephen was not an apostle, the promise is to those who believe...your sons and handmaidens … old men, to as many as the Lord shall call.

 

[Billy Evmur]

Do cessationists don't believe in casting out demons? because if it is that way then we are helpless against the devil, and if they do, why leave out healing the sick and tongues?, casting demons out is in the same 2 versicles as speaking in tongues and healing...:

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

quite right.

 

[Billy Evmur]

Everything is the same. Only tongues, prophecy, and word of knowledge have been replaced by the New Testament.

You believe in miracles, healing, and exorcism then

 

[Billy Evmur]

Everything is the same. Only tongues, prophecy, and word of knowledge have been replaced by the New Testament.

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The New Testament exhorts us to speak in tongues and to desire prophecy … that's where we got it from.

 

[Dave L]

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The New Testament exhorts us to speak in tongues and to desire prophecy … that's where we got it from.

But after the two outpourings, an apostle was the only means of distributing the gifts. The gifts ceased with the apostles.

 

[Billy Evmur]

But after the two outpourings, an apostle was the only means of distributing the gifts. The gifts ceased with the apostles.

The Holy Ghost fell on Cornelius and his household while Peter preached....

 

[Dave L]

Phillip who preached in Samaria is not the apostle Phillip. Stephen was not an apostle, the promise is to those who believe...your sons and handmaidens … old men, to as many as the Lord shall call.

But notice Phillip could not impart the gifts. Only an apostle could do this.

 

[Dave L]

Tongues, prophecy, word of knowledge signs and wonders are ALL ministry gifts.

Not since the apostles died off.

 

[Billy Evmur]

Cornelius?

 

[Dave L]

That leaves is exactly like the Scribes, Pharisees, and Teachers of the Law. All intellectual positions that man can

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perfectly without God as was shown by Jesus, and as is shown in countless churches today.

Today's "charismatic gifts" are not anywhere near the originals.

 

[Dave L]

Prophecy hasn't ceased. Your a prophet. Paul Washer is a prophet. Anyone who teaches (expository preaching) God's Word is a prophet, when what they teach is through their understanding via the Holy Spirit then it's by direct revelation - even if its not new revelation. (New revelation has ceased and scripture closed, but not prophecy)

False prophets exist today too, and they aren't always obvious.

My opinion. Of course.

Prophets were no different from OT prophets. Big difference between them and preachers.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Prophets were no different from OT prophets. Big difference between them and preachers.

Hmm.. I might require a teaching on that because that is not what a prophet is necessarily.

They are warners... prophets are warners, what do preachers and teachers do but warn?

 

[Billy Evmur]

Today's "charismatic gifts" are not anywhere near the originals.

Smith Wigglesworth

 

[aiki]

By what wisdom or power do YOU minister today? is it by human wisdom, accrued knowledge? or is it imparted to you by the Holy Ghost?

I'm not a hard cessationist but I'm not a continuationist, either. Closer to the former than the latter, although, I believe God can and does act in miraculous ways today. He may even cause a person to speak in tongues. I don't think, though, this is the norm.

By what power or wisdom do I minister today? By God's, of course? You?

So, is there some point you're making by your question? It's a non sequitur to assert that because the Holy Spirit imparts spiritual life and illuminates God's truth to the believer, tongues, healings, prophetic words and dreams must happen. This is like saying that, because your Mom birthed you and cared for you when you were an infant, she must cook and wash your clothes for you the rest of your life. Doesn't really follow, does it?

 

[Dave L]

Smith Wigglesworth

What about Smith?

 

[Dave L]

Hmm.. I might require a teaching on that because that is not what a prophet is necessarily.

They are warners... prophets are warners, what do preachers and teachers do but warn?

Prophets spoke God's word that when written became scripture. They gave us the Old and the New Testaments. Today's prophets are all false without exception.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Prophets spoke God's word that when written became scripture. They gave us the Old and the New Testaments. Today's prophets are all false without exception.

We cannot understand scripture but by revelation of God, it's not new revelation, but it's revelation nonetheless and when we expound on it, we are the same as prophets.

 

[Dave L]

We cannot understand scripture but by revelation of God, it's not new revelation, but it's revelation nonetheless and when we expound on it, we are the same as prophets.

Close but not really. God spoke through the prophets. We only tell people what they said.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Close but not really. God spoke through the prophets. We only tell people what they said.

Which is why I say there is no new revelation.

I don't think it stops people from having similarities to the prophets and warners from old, making us also prophets. We have the Holy Spirit the same as they did, back then it wasn't common to the people. Now it is (being Spirit filled) so we don't think of it so much..

 

[Dave L]

Which is why I say there is no new revelation.

I don't think it stops people from having similarities to the prophets and warners from old. We have the Holy Spirit the same as they did, back then it wasn't common to the people. Now it is so we don't think of it so much..

Just that scripture remains open for additional revelation if the gift of prophecy remains. One thing Paul said might help clarify what I'm suggesting.

Paul urged believers to come behind in no gift until the coming (apocalypse or Revelation) of Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 1:7). This is the same word John uses for the apocalypse of Jesus Christ. What we call the book of Revelation.

So this is likely what Paul saw through a glass darkly. A revelation he knew was coming but didn’t know how or when. Paul urged them to continue seeking spiritual gifts until Christ provided that revelation. We have the Revelation of Jesus Christ (Revelation 1:1) through John about the time speaking in tongues and prophecy disappears from history. All later examples among sects being questionable.