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No this is an living being from heaven"And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit."
Are you saying a literal star hits the earth and opens up a hole straight to the bottomless pit?
It is right there in the same chapter you claim Jesus sat on a throne for 3.5 years after Jesus was cut off.Reference please for Jesus being king for 3½ years in the future?
Then so are the stars in the 6th Seal. They are the angels Jesus claims in Matthew 13, 24, and 25 that He brings with Him to the earth.No this is an living being from heaven
He can't be cut off in the middle of the week and the other half thrown into the future, that is nonsense.It is right there in the same chapter you claim Jesus sat on a throne for 3.5 years after Jesus was cut off.
It will not be for 3.5 years, so why would God include a lie into Scripture?
Those 3.5 years are cut short. They as 3.5 years, will never exist. We are not told how short. We are not told how long the time of Jacob's trouble will last. It would have been 3.5 years, but Jesus told us they will be cut short, and no one knows the day or hour this sitting on a throne will start. The Cross was the point of Messiah cut off, and Jesus declared it is finished. The 7th Trumpet has not yet sounded to declare the King part finished. Both Messiah and Prince to come make up the 70th week.
Your explanation of 3.5 years after the Cross is just human theological contrivance. No Scripture declares the 70th week was completed 3.5 years after the Cross.
I disagree because if it doesn’t specify that in the text then it’s not true …Then so are the stars in the 6th Seal. They are the angels Jesus claims in Matthew 13, 24, and 25 that He brings with Him to the earth.
I don’t see it that way becauseThe heavens are rolled back as a scroll. They will be devoid of stars, because all the stars are gathering humanity all at the same time, and some even come to earth and remain with Jesus as King on His throne, during the Trumpets and Thunders.
Jesus does say He will appear to us and not the world in John 14:22-24 but nothing that mentions it’s a secret for many of His enemies already know of the Rapture but deny itMany claim it is a "secret appearing".
But think about it. Scripture claims every eye will see it happen.
The only thing that happens at a twinkling of an eye is the transformation of the living from human to immortal…This moment does not mean we disappear or vanish or even go up in a blink …But Scripture does not verify that every human mind will comprehend the event, as it happens in a twinkling of an eye.
But Jesus said when you see the AOD those in judea flee to the mountains for great tribulation is coming because of it Matt 24:15-26 This is when the FP will cause all to receive the mark to worship the image of the beastNot tribulation. Abomination. This is Hollywood's worse imagination of evil lived out literally on earth.
They have fled being forwarded by the 144000 most likelyThere are no martyrs, and no persecution of the righteous. There are no righteous.
I don’t believe it’s going down this way you proposed…There are some fed up with the system, who to avoid the mark, choose to chop off their head instead. Fence sitters who are to flee from all the debauchery. They have to decide to choose life or remain in Adam's dead state for eternity. The decision cannot be forced by others. It has to be their own choice to make. Once the choice is made, it is permanent. No going back and forth, one minute with a head, then without, and then head back on. And no taking the mark, removing it, taking it again. This is not like today where one goes back and forth pretending to be saved one minute, and lost the next.
When the AC comes it’s foretold he will stop the daily sacrifices and cause the AOD and Jesus said let them in Judea fleeWhile some are arguing over whether or not there are sacrifices or a new temple or not, that is not what the meaning is about, sacrifices taken away.
The just shall live by faith up till He returns imo .. justified by faith will continue up till He returnsThe salvation by faith is taken away.
The first resurrection make up all the second birthThe second birth is taken away.
The great tribulation saints are seen in heaven and make the first resurrectionThat is what is stopped in the midst of the week of the 7th Trumpet. Chopping one's head off is the testimony of salvation. Those beheaded still have to stand before thrones and be judged. The church was judged on the Cross. The sheep stand in judgment before Jesus as King on His throne. Even the wheat are judged by Jesus as He is the one sowing and reaping. The difference is that the sheep and the wheat are the army coming to Armageddon. Those beheaded still have to wait until after Armageddon and Satan is bound. They are judged as part of the restoration of earth, preparing for the first day of the Millennium.
That’s not true Jesus said in Matt 24:25-28 that the AOD brings great tribulation and judea flees to the mountains and then says do not go after any messiah type figure in those days as a clear warning for everyoneThere is no judgment nor tribulation pointed towards any particular group of people during the AoD.
The AOD is an idol in the temple in Jerusalem in the future that the FP will seek judeans and Israel to worship and the idol is in the image of the beastEvery one is equally an abomination.
The wrath is poured out after the 42 months, during the 3.5 days those 2 witnesses lay dead in the street in Jerusalem. The only repeated event in Revelation is the earthquake in Revelation 11:13 and in Revelation 16:18-19
"And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."
"And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath."
Later that day between 5pm and 6pm is the battle of Armageddon.
So is the Gospel to the majority of humanity. Jesus did not set up His earthly throne which is just as tangible as the Cross was. If you claim a physical throne is not necessary, you are a hypocrite to then say the physical Cross was necessary.He can't be cut off in the middle of the week and the other half thrown into the future, that is nonsense.
The opening of the 6th Seal is the Second Coming and every thing about it including all the angels coming to earth. All mankind's works are burned up. Every one will be rebuilding after the 6th Seal. By the end of the 42 months of AoD, all that was built, will be destroyed and replaced all over again.I don’t see it that way because
the opening of the 6 seal is clearly judgement and the effects on earth and its citizens prove that to be true …
Your wrong about this because there is no mentioning of Jesus returning to earth at the opening of the 6th seal in RevelationThe opening of the 6th Seal is the Second Coming and every thing about it including all the angels coming to earth.
No everyone will be in hiding until the AC and FP comes to gather many of them up with a false hope that they can defeat the Father and Son who is causing judgement to fall upon themAll mankind's works are burned up. Every one will be rebuilding after the 6th Seal.
At the end of the AOD Jesus comes down with the armies from Heaven to put down the rebellion against Him and establishes the millenniumBy the end of the 42 months of AoD, all that was built, will be destroyed and replaced all over again.
"My kingdom is not of this world" - Jesus.So is the Gospel to the majority of humanity. Jesus did not set up His earthly throne which is just as tangible as the Cross was. If you claim a physical throne is not necessary, you are a hypocrite to then say the physical Cross was necessary.
Same answer as before.So is the Gospel to the majority of humanity. Jesus did not set up His earthly throne which is just as tangible as the Cross was. If you claim a physical throne is not necessary, you are a hypocrite to then say the physical Cross was necessary.
Of course there is. All on earth can see the Lamb is come. All can see God sitting on the GWT. The only thing missing is the mention of the LOF. But it should be there as well. Zechariah 14 is the opening of the 6th Seal. It clearly shows Jesus coming to the Mount of Olives.Your wrong about this because there is no mentioning of Jesus returning to earth at the opening of the 6th seal in Revelation.
Not that kingdom. The one after the Second Coming. The Messiah was God on earth. The Prince to Come is Jesus as King on the earth. That kingdom."My kingdom is not of this world" - Jesus.
Not at the opening of the 6th seal … He comes after the seals , trumpets and bowls of judgementOf course there is. All on earth can see the Lamb is come.
Which takes place after the millenniumAll can see God sitting on the GWT.
Which takes place after the GWT judgement which is after the millenniumThe only thing missing is the mention of the LOF.
There is a process the 6th seal gives way to the 7 trumpets which gives way to 7 bowls judgement with specific purposes the the return the regathering the rebuilding the millennium then last rebellion then Gwt judgement and casting into lake of fireBut it should be there as well.
There is no mentioning of 7 seals being open in Zech 14Zechariah 14 is the opening of the 6th Seal. It clearly shows Jesus coming to the Mount of Olives.
Granted.. but in the description there’s no mentioning of Him actually standing on earth to slay those that have gathered at mt Megiddo… For all we know He’s may be flying around on a white horse slaying His enemies but eventually He will literally stand on mt olives afterwardsRevelation 19 is not to the Mount of Olives. Revelation 19 is to the Mount of Megiddo
There is no mentioning of Jesus coming down to earth to gather the 144000 up to take them to heaven 31/2 years after the opening of 1 seal42 months after the 7th Trumpet, when Jesus left with the 144k until Satan's 42 months were over.
Jesus kingdom is now. He is king of his perople. It is a spiriyual kingdom.Not that kingdom. The one after the Second Coming. The Messiah was God on earth. The Prince to Come is Jesus as King on the earth. That kingdom.
"My kingdom is not of this world" - Jesus.
The Church is the heavenly kingdom of God. Jesus as Prince will be King in Jerusalem per Matthew 25:31.
"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats."
Rev 11:15 The seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven saying, The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign forever and ever.Jesus kingdom is now. He is king of his perople. It is a spiriyual kingdom.
His kingdom is not of this world
The GWT has always been. It does not pop into existence after the Millennium. That is the last time it is seen. You are not paying attention to anything that is happening at the 6th Seal.Not at the opening of the 6th seal … He comes after the seals , trumpets and bowls of judgement
Which takes place after the millennium
Which takes place after the GWT judgement which is after the millennium
There is a process the 6th seal gives way to the 7 trumpets which gives way to 7 bowls judgement with specific purposes the the return the regathering the rebuilding the millennium then last rebellion then Gwt judgement and casting into lake of fire
There is no mentioning of 7 seals being open in Zech 14
Granted.. but in the description there’s no mentioning of Him actually standing on earth to slay those that have gathered at mt Megiddo… For all we know He’s may be flying around on a white horse slaying His enemies but eventually He will literally stand on mt olives afterwards
There is no mentioning of Jesus coming down to earth to gather the 144000 up to take them to heaven 31/2 years after the opening of 1 seal
The 144000 are sealed after the 6th seal by an angel and are protected from the trumpet judgements and are caught up as the manchild before the 7 bowl judgement
Jesus was Messiah on earth under the submission of God. That kingdom was God's kingdom. Jesus was not a physical king until the resurrection, after He was obedient in death.Jesus kingdom is now. He is king of his perople. It is a spiriyual kingdom.
His kingdom is not of this world
True but the judgement that is mentioned in rev that judges the dead both small and great take place after the millennium and last rebellionThe GWT has always been. It does not pop into existence after the Millennium.
I am paying attention…..your interpretation of it is not correct brotherYou are not paying attention to anything that is happening at the 6th Seal.
Is that what it is?Your process of the Seals opening up the rest of the book is human theology, not found anywhere in Scripture.
For sure ..most definitely .. you can count on it …why would you say that? I’m pro Jesus reigning on earth … another ai glitchYou don't think Jesus ever comes to earth, do you?
Jesus is on the earth with the 144k from the 6th Seal until the 7th Trumpet.
Idk what happened here …another ai glitchThe Second Coming is not all 7 Seals being opened. Why would every single mention of the Second Coming in Scripture talk about Seals.
I agree except for the second coming partNo The Seals are John's description of events that include the Second Coming.
That’s because John time and season is taking place at the end of the age and Paul rapture points take place many years beforeJohn does not give all the same points Paul does.
Paul does not give all the same points Peter does.
Yes I agree…Peter does not give all the same points Jesus does. Jesus does not give all the same points John does. Each writer gives us a different set of actions. None of them contradict nor overrule the other's points.
Why prophecy of things to come if they are not to come ?Revelation 19 only happens if Jesus returns after 42 months.
The events will happen as prophecied and the only thing shortened is the length of time of the great tribulation otherwise no flesh will be savedAs pointed out, those 42 months may or may not happen. Gabriel pointed out to Daniel, in Daniel 9:27 it happens. John writes about the 42 months in Revelation 13. However they are dependent on what God decides at that moment. They deal with the confirmation of the Atonement, and who is left on earth after the final harvest has been declared complete. Jesus already declared the days of the Prince to come part would be shortened. That means the Prince to come (Jesus Christ), now has less days on earth as King, than what Gabriel told Daniel. The longer the Second Coming does not happen, the less time is allotted as given in any prophecy, simply because Jesus said the days would be shortened.
No not true but you can provide scripture if you wish I don’t see that anywhere in his textThe people of the first century, even Paul expected the Second Coming and kingdom set up in their day.
Well they were wrong in doing so because the time has not yet come but the AC comes before the messiah as rev statesMany were looking for the Prince to Come, and rejected the Messiah part.
We need to stand on the word and the word states a rapture first before the wrath then tribulation then AC and AOD and great tribulation then return of Jesus then the millennial etcEven so today, every expectation is based on one's own experiences instead of really understanding the Word of God.
Some even claim Zechariah 14 was fulfilled at the first coming,
and not about the Second Coming at all.
To take away from the real deal yet to comeSome claim the NHNE is the NT church.
It’s blamed on mystery Babylon who creates confusion to confound the beliefs of the nations so that the truth is hiddenAnd even people who claim the same eschatology, do not always agree with each other.
See, you don't understand the 6th Seal.How you figure that with no mentioning of Him descending and meeting up with the 144000 then returning to heaven ?
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