The Prosperity Doctrine

[Bob Carabbio]

But I think the most convincing argument, is the most obvious one, particularly when you know folks who are "Absorbed" in the Prosperity movement.

It Simply Doesn't "work".

They DON'T have better provision, and they're NOT "Prosperous" - any more so than any other Ideological group.

IF they were, then we wouldn't even be discussing any of this!!!! We'd all go "Do it their way".

I've been a Christian for 50 years, and I've had provision when I've needed it, and the closest I've EVER gotten to "Prosperity" activities was to Follow the Word when it says in Ps 37:

3 Trust in the LORD, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed.
4 Delight thyself also in the LORD; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.
5 Commit thy way unto the LORD; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass.
6 And he shall bring forth thy righteousness as the light, and thy judgment as the noonday.
7 Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass.

And after 50 years of "Resting in Him", some things have NOT been "to my liking" (I wouldn't mind a coronary healing - but I've been "Heart attack free" for over 4 years now), many things HAVE been as I wished, and over the years God has simply had me in the RIGHT place at the RIGHT time to to blessed (and to bless others), and to have that which I, and my Family needs, and allow me to support others, and my church.

Why Should I be concerned about doing things any differently, when it all flows together just by trusting HIM, and going where HE takes me???

And all that without playing "theological mind games", "Claiming" anything, or pretending to believe or "Have faith" - that I don't have, or being afraid that my "Doubt" will "Tear down the hedge" that God has around me, and cause bad stiff to happen.

HE knew who/what I was when he saved me, and Romans 8:28-30 is still in the Bible.

 

[TasManOfGod]

The decision to give ultimately depends on the giver. Because some dont believe "give and it shall be given unto you ____ " does not mean that the "law" does not operate in the lives of those who live by it.

 

[Alive_Again]

But I think the most convincing argument, is the most obvious one, particularly when you know folks who are "Absorbed" in the Prosperity movement.

It Simply Doesn't "work".

They DON'T have better provision, and they're NOT "Prosperous" - any more so than any other Ideological group.

It may be that the church at large does not fully understand the things that make for prosperity. It involves inclining, hearing, and doing His Word (in your heart, which will accomplish what is written and revealed). Read Deut. 28 and see how God blessed His servants the Israelites under the Old Covenant.

If fruits suffer, then there are areas not being accomplished as readily as they might be. We're in a war zone too and provision can be slowed or prevented if praying ceases. The "Prince of Persia" is still around, and our communities are under attack just as Daniel's was. If faith in your supernatural provision is diminished because the enemy struck, then it's time to go back and hear and believe the gospel, your foundation and the power of God to save (total wellness, including healing, deliverance, eternal life, and provision) all by grace.

God doesn't mess around and what He calls you to do, He will provide for. So that's all the prosperity we need. Knowing that Satan can prevent us when we don't do our part should keep us interested enough to engage the enemy (which means submission first).

The "prosperity gospel" in its purest form was preached by Jesus and He was anointed to preach (proclaim) it. It's the baggage that people have about what they believe the "prosperity gospel" is, that supposedly isn't being accomplished. It IS being accomplished.

Although tithing is scriptural in its proper setting, it is not the end all and I challenge you to point out anyone doing so that is not able to contain their blessing(!). No slight on God, but if things don't appear to "work", then it's time to reexamine our "understanding" of the Word and then be blessed for inclining, hearing, and doing.

IF they were, then we wouldn't even be discussing any of this!!!! We'd all go "Do it their way".

We mustn't confuse "their way" which includes preaching and believing the gospel with the mistakes people (we) make when we don't do all of the Word diligently. We're also learning obedience by suffering. Nothing is wasted unless we do not go forward. It takes holy boldness to preach the "prosperity gospel", just the same as the "healing gospel" because your walk is not always consistent and we are subject to sometimes getting hits in the areas of our health and our financial provision. You have to believe it first, and to believe it, it has to be preached.

I've been a Christian for 50 years, and I've had provision when I've needed it, and the closest I've EVER gotten to "Prosperity" activities was to Follow the Word when it says in Ps 37:

That's a part of it!

 

[rturner76]

So do what God says. Why be greedy?

 

[TasManOfGod]

So do what God says. Why be greedy?

Do you consider being open to the blessings that God has for us as being greedy

 

[rturner76]

Do you consider being open to the blessings that God has for us as being greedy

No.


Begging God for money, that's greedy. That's all nothing wrong with asking God to bless your loved ones with health. Some so called Christians take it too far. That's all I'm saying. I don't believe one must take a vow of poverty either but I do believe this:

Matthew 19:23 KJV
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

 

[dkbwarrior]

But I think the most convincing argument, is the most obvious one, particularly when you know folks who are "Absorbed" in the Prosperity movement.

It Simply Doesn't "work".

They DON'T have better provision, and they're NOT "Prosperous" - any more so than any other Ideological group.

There are two problems with this argument. First, it is subjective. Please prove your premise. Give me a reference to this data. I am willing to bet that this is simply a guess on your part. Mabey a guess informed by observation, I will credit you with that. But a guess nonetheless.

Secondly, whether something "works" or not, really has no bearing on whether it is "true" or not.

The writer of Hebrews said this:

36And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
37They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
38(Of whom the world was not worthy: they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
39And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
-Hebrews 11:36-39

13These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
-Hebrews 11:13

Just because someone, or many persons for that matter, do not recieve, does not say anything about the promise of God. As Paul also said:

3For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
4God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
-Romans 3:4

Peace...

 

[Alive_Again]

Originally Posted by Oscarr

The Prosperity doctrine teaches that those who have faith in God will become wealthy, have the best of material things and life will be sweet and comfortable.​

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I was looking back at the initial misconception about "prosperity". I'm amazed at what people actually hear when people preach. It is possible that someone interjects something into their sermons that is presumptuous. By and large, the so called preachers of prosperity agree that the foundation of success is in the Word of God.

I'd like to see some quotes of where people actually said some of the above things. I'm inclined to think that people tag on some things that are not said, or taken in the proper context are misunderstood.

Yup, and it wasn't just this, it was that God "needed" me rich. This exactly the kind of stuff I heard from Hagin, Copeland and Fred Price back in the day when they had my attention, but they no longer have that.

I remember Hagin saying that some people think that we'll float along on flowery beds of ease because we believe God. He strongly disagreed! He barely made it himself for years, just living on the edge of debt for the longest time. The Lord told him that he was not walking in the perfect will of God and lack is always found there. (Good prosperity preaching!). He also was told that he could send forth ministering spirits to work in the background to meet his needs (This was after he got into the perfect will of God). If you bear witness to this you too can benefit from his revelation. If you can't then you risk living beneath your privilege.

He was taught that "if" is the badge of doubt. If your words lack faith in the promises of God, you won't receive the benefit. (Good prosperity teaching because the working of faith works in any area of life.)

At some point you've got to talk the talk! It takes some real faith because it is far easier to be poor and not talk the talk than to be poor and to talk the talk.

Note that Baal was and still is the pagan god of fertility and prosperity. This is was the sin of Israel.

Even pagan cultures recognize a higher being that ultimately meets their needs. They desire to "appease" this being. The children of Israel knew both their God and His ways. The whole Baal thing existed because they didn't destroy their enemies. They made "alliances" with "unbelievers" and people are still doing this today. Examine who you hang out with! Both fertility and prosperity were covered in the Old Covenant and we have a better one than that!

It's hard to believe we're even having the conversation and need to be convinced that God wants to prosper us. He wants our heart right first.

 

[Alive_Again]

The writer of Hebrews said this:

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Heb 11:1-13 (KJV)

Surely many of these received their promises which were their inheritance. The promise of eternal life by the Spirit of God, and to dwell in a heavenly city were not received until after Jesus was resurrected.

In the so called "prosperity" gospel, as some misunderstand it to make it something "amiss", you can receive your inheritance in this life, and in the life to come. The Hebrews 11 group are actually examples of those who DID receive the promise, but not the promise of eternal life in the Spirit and they did not enter the holy city. They rather support what is preached as the "prosperity gospel" rather than detract from it.

 

[rturner76]

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

In the so called "prosperity" gospel, as some misunderstand it to make it something "amiss", you can receive your inheritance in this life, and in the life to come. The Hebrews 11 group are actually examples of those who DID receive the promise, but not the promise of eternal life in the Spirit and they did not enter the holy city. They rather support what is preached as the "prosperity gospel" rather than detract from it.

Th verses cited are good examples of faith in God. Not faith that God will make you rich. Those who seek their reward in this life have their reward in this life.

Matthew 10:41 KJV
He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.

Could you show where it says in the Bible that Jesus tells us to send ministering spirits to meet his needs. According to the prosperity gospel, won't God provide for those financial needs?

I don't have anything against having faith that God will take care of your needs. Taking care of your needs is one thing. Making you wealthy is another. I just don't think God is in the business f making people wealthy by special request.

Now, a Christian that works hard, and lives by solid spiritual principles which include hard work, family time, saving, not spending money on vices but using it for intelligent investments and money management strategies. Also pooling monies with other Christian brothers and sisters to open businesses, and provide for each other's needs. Real Estate, affordable housing and things like that are very prosperous. THat's a different story. That lifestyle is one of prosperity and I agree 100%.

 

[Alive_Again]

Th verses cited are good examples of faith in God. Not faith that God will make you rich. Those who seek their reward in this life have their reward in this life.

I suppose that everyone has a different idea of what "rich" means. Hagin preached it as a full supply, and I tend to agree with him. We don't have a direct definition in the Word, but we do have examples of those who prospered, and we have the examples of His servants in Deut. 28 who prospered, and it covered every area of their life, from social success to that what you eat and store. We're also called to be liberal givers, so additional provision is needed to cover needs that we encounter.

Could you show where it says in the Bible that Jesus tells us to send ministering spirits to meet his needs. According to the prosperity gospel, won't God provide for those financial needs?

We know from scripture that the angels are ministering spirits sent forth to minister for them who are heirs of salvation. We know that if we abide, we can ask what we will and receive. We know that God is on our side, not angels. They are on God's side. They hearken to the voice of His Word and if our life and words are in agreement with the plan of God, they work in the background on our behalf. We walk (and talk) by faith, and if we depart from the faith and do not give heed to His voice, then their ministry (on our behalf) is diminished. We know their is warfare and demonic spirits seek to oppose them and us. Every expression of the Spirit of God within us promotes the kingdom. Hagin was told by the Lord in person that you can commission angels to work to meet needs. Hagin asked for a specific amount of money to do the Lord's work and was told by the Lord to ask for it by faith and then commission the angels to work to fulfill his request (which God honored, not the angels).

It is important to note that angels serve God and we're partakers of that benefit as we serve him (not on our behalf). We know from the Word that they do not forgive our transgressions, so if we want grace to work on our behalf then we must walk in the light. Wisdom says that to partake of an army's supply line you must follow orders and move alongside your commander. The logistics are part of the package. To request additional provision when needed is common sense particularly when you meet the condition.

As far as you bearing witness to this, you should consider reading the book prayerfully and humbly so you can benefit from this. It was given to the church for its benefit. Although scripturally it is there, it wasn't really realized in its full potential (IMO) until Hagin had this vision and the Lord made it clear to the body (at least the ones who hear the message with a spirit ear). Please don't take offense by me saying this. I'm sure their are things I should be getting more readily and I don't see or hear them yet. Let's rejoice together in what the Lord has provided for us as we serve Him.

I don't have anything against having faith that God will take care of your needs. Taking care of your needs is one thing. Making you wealthy is another. I just don't think God is in the business f making people wealthy by special request.

Proverbs has a lot to say about fools and riches and together they do not work to "prosper you". It has a lot to say about riches and honor being the inheritance for those who walk in the fear of the Lord (has all of the right components of the heart) and the fruits of wisdom are everything we would ever need or desire. It all pertains to life and godliness and not just life (and not just godliness either, although you could argue that a loving Father would provide for His children out of common sense).

Now, a Christian that works hard, and lives by solid spiritual principles which include hard work, family time, saving, not spending money on vices but using it for intelligent investments and money management strategies. Also pooling monies with other Christian brothers and sisters to open businesses, and provide for each other's needs. Real Estate, affordable housing and things like that are very prosperous. THat's a different story. That lifestyle is one of prosperity and I agree 100%.

I'm sure that wise planning, not being lazy, balancing time serving God and your family, being frugal, etc. all promote prosperity. In my view, the scriptures indicate that as we obey the Law of God written in our hearts, that we'll prosper in every area of life. Like Deut. 28, it will cover every need. The difference is that the hearkening to the voice was done by the letter in the OT, and the Spirit in the NT.

Besides, we're not out to get riches, we're out to promote the kingdom and love God. "Riches" or fullness of supply is the gift that grace provided and provides by Jesus when He became poor for us. If our vision of "riches" is just having what we need to do what God calls us, then we'll be ok. No good thing will He withhold from those who walk uprightly. If it's good, then we can have it. It's inconvenient for the flesh walking man to have abundance because the Lord will cause us to give, so our heart condition (subject to change) is both ours and God's business and He can translate what we can handle and what will be harmful for us.

 

[rturner76]

For those that don't believe Hagin was a prophet. Much of this is conjecture. Many of the "we know" statements, I don't know but I would be willing to learn as they are laid out in the Bible and not just by the word of Hagin. Him being in the presence of the Lord himself I find hard to believe. At least no more then any other televangelest that claims the same thing. I don't think he has a special message for us that is not contained within the Bible.

Like I said I believe it is right to believe God will provide. It says in the Bible

30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

JESUS not Hagin, explains here that there is no need to worry, God will provide. It does not say you are guaranteed wealth or even to prosper. But you needs will be met. Have faith in that.

Many televangelists give this prosperity doctrine in order to raise revinue for their church's bank accounts. People buy into it because who doesn't want to be rich? THe point is to be spiritually rich. Jesus made it very clear that those who see their riches in this world will have them in this world. JESUS as in Jesus Christ. I am a Christian nt a Haginite.

 

[Alive_Again]

... I don't know but I would be willing to learn as they are laid out in the Bible and not just by the word of Hagin.

That's the same standard that he had and preached. Don't believe it just because he said it. Make sure it's in the Word of God.

He told the Lord, in His presence that he was not going to accept what He had said just because he had seen and heard it in a vision. He said that he needed to see it in the scriptures to believe it. He said that "the Lord smiled sweetly" to this request and began to give him scripture for the things he was saying. I'm not going to lay them out before you. That's for you to read and receive if you're inclined.

Think of this, it if was the Lord who appeared and told him these things, then it is for the church to have a greater understanding of the scripture (note the emphasis). It's to help the church overcome and not be swayed by every wind of doctrine. Concerning the finances of his ministry, he got right on track by giving heed to the Word of God, confirmed in the vision. You can benefit from it if you hear it was a spiritual ear.

It's said to hear you talk like you do because Hagin's "I Believe in Visions" book had one of the strongest witnesses of the Holy Spirit I have known.

Him being in the presence of the Lord himself I find hard to believe. At least no more then any other televangelest that claims the same thing. I don't think he has a special message for us that is not contained within the Bible.

If you read it you'd find that it IS in the Bible. You'll have to read it to know this. You are obviously offended by something he supposedly said. Most people misunderstand what he says and this very topic is one of the very things most often misunderstood. If you look at the Word of God, you'll see that "prosperity" is most definitely covered in the scripture.

In the same way that accountability is covered over and over in the scripture (especially for believers), prosperity is cover OVER and OVER in the Word. So is holiness and a pure heart in both cases. Without either one you won't see God. You can be poor or live beneath your privilege and still go to Heaven, but you'll find that it is a false humility that might keep you from having great abundance (to primarily benefit the kingdom). You can do so much more for God if you have something for Him to use. He won't trust you with the finance if you can't handle it. He's training us all and driving out the money changers from within us to be able to not let your one hand know what the other is doing. It takes real FAITH to do this.

JESUS not Hagin, explains here that there is no need to worry, God will provide. It does not say you are guaranteed wealth or even to prosper. But you needs will be met. Have faith in that.

I'm not preaching "Hagin", but rather we benefit from what the Lord has worked through His teachers and other ministers of God. We're accountable to have listening ears.

Many televangelists give this prosperity doctrine in order to raise revinue for their church's bank accounts. People buy into it because who doesn't want to be rich?

I don't time to worry about what others are doing and I can't see their hearts. Obviously some could use wisdom because the world is watching. I won't judge another man's servant, so my concern is my own heart condition. God is WELL ABLE to judge His people and make adjustments as needed.

THe point is to be spiritually rich. Jesus made it very clear that those who see their riches in this world will have them in this world. JESUS as in Jesus Christ. I am a Christian nt a Haginite.

You can have riches in the next world. You can have great provision in this world if you can handle it. Which is better? You can do more with more (that's why they call it more). It's about faithful stewardship. Did the riches undo Solomon? I believe it was the women.

If we're willing and obedient, we'll enjoy the fruit of the land. You have to be willing. (Hagin was told this too by the Lord, although it's in the Word. Hagin made the adjustment and God showed him how to more effectively prosper.)

Most people are having trouble staying afloat anyway so why would I hold it against some preacher who works 80 hours a week if they drive a Mercedes? Let God judge His own servants.

I personally believe that we all know inwardly their is more to be obtained in the way of our inheritance and if our hearts are right God will entrust us with it. It's about making your priorities right and obeying God.

 

[rturner76]

Sorry but I'm not buying it. Solomon was a mighty king we are but humble servants.

Today's ministers of sin build on the selfishness of the people who come to their gatherings. There is a very popular "prophetic" message circulating.
One of the two main reasons the prosperity doctrine exists and thrives can be explained by the greedy nature that most people possess. Sadly, too many people are not content to receive a heavenly reward for their givings. They demand immediate blessings and will sponsor anyone who promises that a quick fix to their problems is available (but it's going to cost them a fee, of course).

In contrast to the fleshly desires expressed by today's pseudo-prophets, Scripture declares:

"Let your character be free from the love of money, being content with what you have" . . . (Hebrews 13:5).

Instead of sacrificing their luxurious lifestyles to help meet the demands for their "ministries" they ask the less wealthy to make the sacrifices. With more funds the ministers expand their ministries so that new audiences can be solicited with pleas for donations. And so the endless process of asking for money continues. News about the risen Savior takes a back seat to what is called the "essential" money issue.

The apostle Paul described these kinds of preachers when he wrote about how the love of money causes people to depart from the Christian faith:

"For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith, and pierced themselves with many a pang" (1 Timothy 6:10).

To those deceived and deceiving people who have set their hearts and minds on earthly riches instead of spiritual riches, the Lord would say:

"I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I would that you were cold or hot. So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I WILL SPIT YOU OUT OF MY MOUTH. Because you say, I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing, and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked, I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire, that you may become rich, and white garments, that you may clothe yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and eyesalve to anoint your eyes, that you may see. Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; be zealous therefore, and REPENT" (Revelation 3:15-19; emphases added).

 

[TasManOfGod]

Is it any wonder that the army takes a dim view of those who shoot their own soldiers.

 

[Alive_Again]

Today's ministers of sin build on the selfishness of the people who come to their gatherings.

Take your eyes off "today's ministers" and on to the Lord. Hear His Word. What are the fruits of wisdom? We are greater than John the Baptist (by grace) and he was the greatest born of women. If you lack wisdom you can ask for it and God will give it to you.

You see ALL of the Word of God is true. Everything written about covetousness lives right along side wisdom and understanding comfortably. They are a contrast to each other and the Word says that we CAN walk with both. It's our inheritance.

Honour the Lord with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase: So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine.
Prov 3:9-10 (KJV)

Length of days is in her right hand; and in her left hand riches and honour
Prov 3:16 (KJV)

I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment: That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.
Prov 8:20-21 (KJV)

There is a very popular "prophetic" message circulating.
One of the two main reasons the prosperity doctrine exists and thrives can be explained by the greedy nature that most people possess.

You know it is possible to have money and not be greedy? The love of money is the root of all evil. Who said you have to love it? As someone said, you can love your penny collection more than I can love my $10k in the bank. It's all about the heart condition.

People who judge other men of their own judgment fall under the very judgment they make. Take your pick.

To those deceived and deceiving people who have set their hearts and minds on earthly riches instead of spiritual riches, the Lord would say:

"I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I would that you were cold or hot. So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I WILL SPIT YOU OUT OF MY MOUTH. Because you say, I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing, and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked, I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire, that you may become rich, and white garments, that you may clothe yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and eyesalve to anoint your eyes, that you may see. Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; be zealous therefore, and REPENT" (Revelation 3:15-19; emphases added).

This is speaking of someone who is trusting in his riches (sinful).

You assume that people's eyes are set on earthly riches. That is not the prosperity "doctrine". You keep pointing to people in a ditch and I'm pointing to the Word of God. The so called "prosperity doctrine" is walking according to the Word of God, according to His statutes, by the promptings in your heart in FAITH. Walking in love.

 

[rturner76]

There is wisdom is honoring God. If you honor God above all things, he will bless all that you do. I just think the message points to the wrong thing is all and it does not point to what Jesus Christ says. In my personal walk as a Christian, the words of Christ in the Bible are of the utmost importance above all other words.

I can however relax my judgement because you bring up something Christ did talk about which is judgement over others. In my debating I feel I have crossed that line and for that I apologize.

I think we will have to agree to disagree on certain aspects of the prosperity doctrine. What I will agree with you about is if you Honor God above all things he may bless you. Perhaps with Monetary things, perhaps with rich family life or ministry but I do believe a life devoted to God is a fruitful on. On that we can agree.

God bless you brother.

 

[rockytopva]

I think that there is a spiritual prosperity that should be coveted by every believer.
The Power of Motivation and E/c2 with Zig Ziglar - YouTube

 

[dollarsbill]

Here's one or two of those you esteem..., preaching their gospel. Do you agree with them?

Note Dollar worship of mammon. SEE ME. Would you like to see Copeland's self control?

Oh my! I can't believe what I just watched. Is this WOF?

 

[dkbwarrior]

Oh my! I can't believe what I just watched. Is this WOF?

I wonder why men of god walking on money while sactifiying it with a prayer of annointing and blessing for those that gave it would offend anyone? Is money so precious to you that you don't want people walking on it? Money is just paper after all, though it represents value in our culture, and when given as a gift can be sanctified. And of course gifts can be sanctified. Watching this the Holy Spirit brought up in me the scripture:

19Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
-Matthew 23:19

As far as the question, "Is this WOF"? Something like this does not commonly occur among WOF cicles, and I've never seen it except in the video from which this clip was taken. But, it is certainly not contrary to WOF in general, if the Holy Spirit is moving in that direction. Your question is kinda like if they had a video of Joshua and the children of Israel walking around Jerico for seven days, then hooting and hollering until the walls fell down, and then killing everyone inside. It is within the parameters of our God, if that is where the Holy Spirit is taking you, but it is not representative of normal WOF worship at all.

Peace...