The program anomaly, man's will...

[Neogaia777]

As one who programmed for years/decades, I don't see this to be the case.

In programming, one excludes ... or mitigates for ... all anomalies. Therefore, the system is able to run infinitely, so long as external influences aren't affecting it.

Can you provide an example of the type of anomaly you allude to within the world of programming ?

In programming, especially with more complex programs, or the more complex the program, do not glitches and anomalies become an ever increasing problem...?

Most are corrected or accounted for, but especially with much more complex programs, sometimes you just can't account for "all of them" but have to allow them to exist and find ways, or a way, or ways, "around" them correct...?

 

[HopeInJesusOnly]

Some people do live in the past and fear the future.

Sorry, I meant last days. Autocorrect.

 

[Neogaia777]

Free will is the difference so we are not sex slaves and are being raped by God.
That would be a false love (rape) if we did not love God voluntarily.

You say God is in control of everything, but then you talk about free will...?

Care to address post #70 by any chance...?

 

[SkyWriting]

You say God is in control of everything, but then you talk about free will...?

Care to address post #70 by any chance...?

I've been asking for what specifically you are seeing and where.
You've ignored my request to illuminate your opening post.
So, not a chance.

 

[A_Thinker]

Basically, our own will wins out over God's will, man's will does, every single time, it seems, and I think this is the "anomaly", and before it gets too bad, cause I think if left unchecked, it gets to a point that if was allowed to go past or beyond that point, might be the end of all life on earth, or the earths capability to support life, or otherwise something happening that would be so bad, that God cannot by all rights, let or allow it to happen or to go beyond or past that point, so He has to do something, something bad, but not nearly as bad as allowing us to continue the way we are, at that point, etc, so it is and we are "reset", etc, just to allow for it all to go on or happen "again", etc

I don't quite understand your thinking here. When does the will of man "win out" over the will of God ? Was it ever the will of man ... that Jesus would come to save us ? Scripture says that Jesus came while we were still enemies to God.

A thought might be that God plays multi-dimensional chess, ... so that even when we think we are winning (against Him), ... we are actually losing (i.e. accomplishing His will). Even Satan's rebellion is factored into the plan of God.

 

[SkyWriting]

God is in control of everything. He planned and now executes the orbit of each electron in the Cosmos and keeps each atom from exploding.

Colossians 1:17
And he is before all things,
and in him all things hold together.

 

[Neogaia777]

I don't quite understand your thinking here. When does the will of man "win out" over the will of God ? Was it ever the will of man ... that Jesus would come to save us ? Scripture says that Jesus came while we were still enemies to God.

A thought might be that God plays multi-dimensional chess, ... so that even when we think we are winning (against Him), ... we are actually losing (i.e. accomplishing His will).

I would like to hope so, but historically that's not what we see though, especially in the OT, etc...

While after the NT, it almost seems as if God kind of "stepped back and out of it" for a little while sometimes, or for the most part, etc, but only really acting in some individuals cases, or individual by individual cases, basis, etc...

 

[Neogaia777]

I've been asking for what specifically you are seeing and where.
You've ignored my request to illuminate your opening post.
So, not a chance.

I'm seeing into peoples hearts and minds... And what is going on on the inside...

Your not going to be able to tell me they're not in some trouble, or ever increasing and getting much more worse and much more serious as time goes on kind of "trouble" either...

I am fighting "for them", etc...

They are my reason for my doing what I do...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

I've been asking for what specifically you are seeing and where.
You've ignored my request to illuminate your opening post.
So, not a chance.

IMO, you didn't even respond to my opening post...?

 

[A_Thinker]

In programming, especially with more complex programs, or the more complex the program, do not glitches and anomalies become an ever increasing problem...?

Most are corrected or accounted for, but especially with much more complex programs, sometimes you just can't account for "all of them" but have to allow them to exist and find ways, or a way, or ways, "around" them correct...?

Typically, in programming, ... to allow anomalies ... is to render your programming non-functional. (Here, one must acknowledge that the "world" of programming ... is blindingly simple (i.e. black and white), compared to the real world. There are no shades of meaning in programming.)

The closest thing I can think of to what you are proposing ... is the consumption of resources (i.e. computer memory/storage) ... which, if not accounted and corrected for, will bring your program to a halt. But, even that can be mitigated for. And good programming does this.

 

[HopeInJesusOnly]

So you see, it's invisible, and I don't. Got it.

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Rising Spirituality in America | The Pew Charitable Trusts
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Here is all you need to know now:

Religion Is on the Decline as More Adults Check ‘None’ - Wall Street Journal

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[Neogaia777]

OK, @Everybody...

Let's get back on track, OK...?

Is or has man's will ever been a "problem" for or with God...?

Yes or No...?

 

[SkyWriting]

Here is all you need to know now:

Religion Is on the Decline as More Adults Check ‘None’

In U.S., Decline of Christianity Continues at Rapid Pace

That is regarding members attending churches. Churches are failing at be relevant to people's lives. It's not the people who are failing, it's the old institutions. My morality has not declined because I don't sit in a pew listening to sermons anymore. I spend more time with my neighbors now as I walk my dogs more. I have read scripture 100 times more since I stopped attending church.

 

[SkyWriting]

OK, @Everybody...

Let's get back on track, OK...?

Is or has man's will ever been a "problem" for or with God...?

Yes or No...?

What specifically? Where have you seen this happening?

 

[Neogaia777]

Typically, in programming, ... to allow anomalies ... is to render your programming non-functional. (Here, one must acknowledge that the "world" of programming ... is blindingly simple (i.e. black and white), compared to the real world. There are no shades of meaning in programming.)

The closest thing I can think of to what you are proposing ... is the consumption of resources (i.e. computer memory/storage) ... which, if not accounted and corrected for, will bring your program to a halt. But, even that can be mitigated for. And good programming does this.

And the more complicated or complex the program, the more difficult the task or it is to do this, correct...?

You have to go back and "fix" glitches, correct, and some of them are notoriously difficult to fix or pin down, or fully account for (mitigate) or whatever, right...?

And sometimes you wind up just writing another program around them, correct, in which case, as long as the program seems to function properly or correctly for a certain amount of time, you don't worry about to much, right, but is still "there" correct, and then sometimes some of these can evolve or grow and become a problem later on, right, in some cases, correct, especially in extremely complex programs, right...?

So there can be a problem or and anomaly that can become or grow into a problem later on, right...?

Like man's "free will", etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

What specifically?

Please just answer the question please, Yes or No...?

Has man's will ever been a problem ever for or with God...?

Yes or No...?

 

[A_Thinker]

I would like to hope so, but historically that's not what we see though, especially in the OT, etc...

While after the NT, it almost seems as if God kind of "stepped back and out of it" for a little while sometimes, or for the most part, etc, but only really acting in some individuals cases, or individual by individual cases, basis, etc...

I don't ever see God as, particularly, uninvolved. The scriptures testify to His fairly consistent involvement with mankind. In the OT, there is Creation (the beginning), Noah (the reset), Abraham (the election), Moses (the rescue), David (the kingdom), Isaiah (the view of the future), etc.

And for the whole of the NT era, ... either Jesus or the Church has been ministering here on earth.

 

[HopeInJesusOnly]

That is regarding members attending churches. Churches are failing at be relevant to people's lives. It's not the people who are failing, it's the old institutions. My morality has not declined because I don't sit in a pew listening to sermons anymore. I spend more time with my neighbors now as I walk my dogs more. I have read scripture 100 times more since I stopped attending church.

Christianity itself is on the decline, and so it follows that church attendance is, as well. One simple Google search tells the sad story.

"Christians make up 65% of the U.S. adult population, according the 2018-2019 study, down from 77% in 2009. At the same time, those who don’t identify with any religion—often known as “nones”—now make up more than a quarter of the population, compared with 17% a decade ago"


THANKS FOR READING

 

[SkyWriting]

Please just answer the question please, Yes or No...?

Has man's will ever been a problem ever for or with God...?

Yes or No...?

What specifically? Where do you imagine you have seen this, specifically?

 

[SkyWriting]

Christianity itself is on the decline, and so it follows that church attendance is, as well. One simple Google search tells the sad story."Christians make up 65% of the U.S. adult population, according the 2018-2019 study, down from 77% in 2009. At the same time, those who don’t identify with any religion—often known as “nones”—now make up more than a quarter of the population, compared with 17% a decade ago"THANKS FOR READING

Me too. I don't identify with any specific christian denomination.
But I read 1000 times more scripture now compared to attending church days.
Many (very very large churches) are finding the leadership has been hiding sex crimes for decades. I expect about 30% of those people to leave the Christian faith of their childhood and family. It's a very old problem surfacing now.