The program anomaly, man's will...

[Neogaia777]

Christianity itself is on the decline, and so it follows that church attendance is, as well. One simple Google search tells the sad story.

"Christians make up 65% of the U.S. adult population, according the 2018-2019 study, down from 77% in 2009. At the same time, those who don’t identify with any religion—often known as “nones”—now make up more than a quarter of the population, compared with 17% a decade ago"


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Some like to live in denial of where we are heading or where we are going...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

What specifically? Where do you imagine you have seen this, specifically?

OK, The Garden of Eden, for one, or for just starters, then how about almost all the rest of the OT, Judges for example is a good one, or how about right before the flood also, etc...

And, etc, etc, etc, so on and so forth...

Ever been a problem for or with God ever...?

Yes or No...?

 

[HopeInJesusOnly]

Some like to live in denial of where we are heading or where we are going...

God Bless!

We are living the end times. We are the last generation. Wouldn't you agree.*

*edits

 

[Neogaia777]

@SkyWriting, I would like to sincerely apologize to you personally though, if I seem to be getting kind of impatient or upset, I'm not really, not really, it's just what happens in and with "debates" sometimes, I recall how I loved your posts and point of view in the past, and how I think we even worked together a few times on some things before, so please, please, do not take what is going on or is happening here personal, or personally, K, please...

I still do like you you know...

Thanks for even talking to me, K...

God Bless!

 

[SkyWriting]

USER=255843]@SkyWriting[/USER], I would like to sincerely apologize to you personally though, if I seem to be getting kind of impatient or upset, I'm not really, not really, it's just what happens in and with "debates" sometimes, I recall how I loved your posts and point of view in the past, and how I think we even worked together a few times on some things before, so please, please, do not take what is going on or is happening here personal, or personally, K, please...I still do like you you know..Thanks for even talking to me, K...God Bless!

So what specifically are you seeing in decline and where are you seeing this?
I don't need any apology. Just specifics on your opening post.
Every guess I've made, you said was a wrong guess.
Marriage, porn, sexual orientation, abortion, poverty, climate change, jobs, safety, education, clean water, hunger, corruption, terrorism, income disparity, war......

And which of these noticed from your bicycle?

Yes, God planned, executes, and knows the location of each electron in the Cosmos and keeps each atom from exploding. Your free will choices in the future are already in God's memory.

 

[Neogaia777]

I wonder if even Jesus Himself, in His humanity anyway, struggled with it or this at all, as He was sweating great drops of blood, and saying "Father, not my will, but your own", etc...?

Asked His disciples/apostles to pray for Him, etc...

God Bless!

 

[A_Thinker]

And the more complicated or complex the program, the more difficult the task or it is to do this, correct...?

Not really ... it costs just as much to fuel the simple ... as it does to fuel the complex.

You have to go back and "fix" glitches, correct, and some of them are notoriously difficult to fix or pin down, or fully account for (mitigate) or whatever, right...?

Once again, the world of programming is quite simple. It's all built upon 0's and 1's ... something is either right ... or it is wrong. And, if something (which is that basic) is wrong, ... then it, typically, shows up at the beginning of execution.

Program improvements which are made subsequent to program operation ... are, typically, enhancements to protect the program's operation from EXTERNAL threats, like hacking.

So ... I'm on a thought stream here. It just occurred to me that you can have bugs (i.e. anomalies) within "operational" software. Such is the case when one or more PORTIONS of the software do not work correctly, ... but this still is not an issue of accrual. The first time you run into the anomaly, the program either shuts down ... or that portion of the software simply does not function correctly ... and control is passed back to the main program.

Back to the spiritual ... this yields insight upon why even "one sin" is so deadly to life (i.e. God's program). What is fortunate is that God has brought into play a mitigation plan (i.e. grace/forgiveness) which is effective to keep His program running.

Thought streaming again ... something analogous in programming would be where the system allows user CORRECTION during operation, when it encounters a flaw which would, normally, bring its execution to a halt. But this is more the case for "developing" software, rather than for "functioning" software.

 

[Neogaia777]

So what specifically are you seeing in decline and where are you seeing this?
I don't need any apology. Just specifics on your opening post.

What I'm seeing in the way of decline, doesn't even really have anything to do with my opening post, not really, that's just some rabbit trail we went down...

I'm just saying that man's will has always been a problem, and in my opening post I described it as an "anomaly", and suggested that that anomaly, was man's will, or mankind's own free will, etc, that has always been a problem from the very beginning, etc, and all throughout, especially the OT, etc...

That maybe God only works or works around until the times comes that He has to "reset" it all, etc, like He did in the OT many times, etc... Lest something much. much worse happen, etc... And that is His reasons why, etc...

Maybe even letting man have his own way sometimes till that time, at times, etc, maybe even, etc...

But that time always comes and has to come and has to be dealt with (by God), lest it threaten the entire system, etc...

God Bless!

 

[A_Thinker]

... then sometimes some of these can evolve or grow and become a problem later on, right, in some cases, correct, especially in extremely complex programs, right...?

Things don't evolve in programming ... yet. Software currently is locked into whatever effect is achieved by its initial/debugged development.

You don't get out ... anything other than what you put in ...

 

[Neogaia777]

Not really ... it costs just as much to fuel the simple ... as it does to fuel the complex.

Once again, the world of programming is quite simple. It's all built upon 0's and 1's ... something is either right ... or it is wrong. And, if something (which is that basic) is wrong, ... then it, typically, shows up at the beginning of execution.

Program improvements which are made subsequent to program operation ... are, typically, enhancements to protect the program's operation from EXTERNAL threats, like hacking.

So ... I'm on a thought stream here. It just occurred to me that you can have bugs (i.e. anomalies) within "operational" software. Such is the case when one or more PORTIONS of the software do not work correctly, ... but this still is not an issue of accrual. The first time you run into the anomaly, the program either shuts down ... or that portion of the software simply does not function correctly ... and control is passed back to the main program.

Back to the spiritual ... this yields insight upon why even "one sin" is so deadly to life (i.e. God's program). What is fortunate is that God has brought into play a mitigation plan (i.e. grace/forgiveness) which is effective to keep His program running.

Thought streaming again ... something analogous in programming would be where the system allows user CORRECTION during operation, when it encounters a flaw which would, normally, bring its execution to a halt. But this is more the case for "developing" software, rather than for "functioning" software.

Hey I like that, thanks...

But, how is sin or man's will still not a threat to the system...?

And are we in a process of someone (like God) maybe "developing" (His) software through us maybe...?

If so, what would you think would be the "end result"...? Certainly could explain a lot of "this" maybe...?

And then, do we still have to worry about sin or man's will still being a problem...? Or not...?

Thanks for your thoughts and your input,

God Bless!

 

[SkyWriting]

The program anomaly, man's will. The program anomaly, that if left unchecked that spells an escalating probability of disaster, that is systemic and threatens the entire system or this planet's and or mankind's continued existence, if left unchecked, is and always has been, man's own will, and our own supposedly free will of choice and choices..

What threats are you seeing and from your bicycle, what are you seeing at a threat?

What indicates to you that free will is an unplanned event?

I am sorry you don't like my questions, but they will remain the same.

 

[Neogaia777]

Things don't evolve in programming ... yet. Software currently is locked into whatever effect is achieved by its initial/debugged development.

You don't get out ... anything other than what you put in ...

What about "Ghosts in the Machine"...?

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

What threats are you seeing and from your bicycle, what are you seeing at a threat?

People are changing, I can tell by "my interactions with them", more confused, unhappy, "etc", (lets's just say "ect" OK?) anyhow, "more than ever", I think they're in trouble, and that's about as simple as I can say or make it right now...

I worry about that, etc, due to what I'm seeing and/or hearing by my interactions with them, how they have changed and what they are changing into, etc...

And I know it's not just the people I am interacting with, but everyone, society as a whole, etc...

Anyhow,

God Bless!

 

[A_Thinker]

But, how is sin or man's will still not a threat to the system...?

Sin ... is the threat, ... but it has been mitigated by God (through grace/forgiveness).

And are we in a process of someone (like God) maybe "developing" (His) software through us maybe...?

This is, perhaps, true. We, who are a part of the system, ... are in development (i.e. to sin less), ... but there still remains a need for mitigation for sin.

If so, what would you think would be the "end result"...? Certainly could explain a lot of "this" maybe...?

"Eyes have not seen, ... nor ears heard, ... nor has it entered into the minds of men ... what God has prepared for those who love Him." 1 Corinthians 2:9

P.S. Man's will will never overcome the will of God. It's all part of the plan ...

 

[Neogaia777]

Sin ... is the threat, ... but it has been mitigated by God (through grace/forgiveness).

This is, perhaps, true. We, who are a part of the system, ... are in development (i.e. to sin less), ... but there still remains a need for mitigation for sin.

How is there still a need for mitigation for sin...?

I thought it has been taken care of...?

Has it...?

And if, how, and I mean very practically speaking, how has that been done or accomplished, if it has (already), etc...?

Or is it still a "threat"...?

"Eyes have not seen, ... nor ears heard, ... nor has it entered into the minds of men ... what God has prepared for those who love Him." 1 Corinthians 2:9

P.S. Man's will will never overcome the will of God. It's all part of the plan ...

I hope so, I hope so...

God Bless!

 

[A_Thinker]

How is there still a need for mitigation for sin...?

I thought it has been taken care of...?

Has it...?

And if, how, and I mean very practically speaking, how has that been done or accomplished, if it has (already), etc...?

Or is it still a "threat"...?

Jesus' sacrifice ... enables God's mitigation for sin. It "allows" God to forgive the commission of sin ... without violating His own justice.

God bless ...

 

[A_Thinker]

People are changing, I can tell by "my interactions with them", more confused, unhappy, "etc", (lets's just say "ect" OK?) anyhow, "more than ever", I think they're in trouble, and that's about as simple as I can say or make it right now ...

People have changed (more or less) throughout the history of mankind.

Consider that you are observing a very small segment of the existence of mankind upon the planet. People are malleable ... sometimes for the good, sometimes toward the evil.

The record of the Israelite nation in the OT is sufficient evidence of this.

 

[Neogaia777]

If man's will isn't or is no longer a problem then, great, I guess were good, but if it is or still is, then we've got a problem for sure maybe...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Jesus' sacrifice ... enables God's mitigation for sin. It "allows" God to forgive the commission of sin ... without violating His own justice.

God bless ...

For believers in Christ only...?

What about the rest of the world who is very quickly abandoning any kind of faith in God or Jesus Christ, or faith in any kind of God in general, or whatsoever, or are willingly following false gods (other religions and spiritual beliefs, etc) and are more and more so abandoning faith in the true and real God, for false gods, etc...

What do you think will happen if we continue on this course...?

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

People have changed (more or less) throughout the history of mankind.

Consider that you are observing a very small segment of the existence of mankind upon the planet. People are malleable ... sometimes for the good, sometimes toward the evil.

The record of the Israelite nation in the OT is sufficient evidence of this.

But we know historically what happens when they abandon belief in the true God...

And people in general are becoming more and more confused, lost, depressed, hopeless, miserable, exceedingly sorrowful, broken, beaten down, etc, etc, day by day, and it is happening all over I think...

And of the ones who are not, it is much worse, for this is happening right now as well:

2 Timothy 3:1-7- "But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

God Bless!