Ed1wolf said:
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True, but if most humans agree on something it most likely means it is part of their nature. So these morals are part of our human nature.
ken: And that nature is in a constant state of change.
No, human nature has not changed since basically our origin, otherwise we would no longer be human. And those morals that I mentioned have not changed in all of human existence.
Ed1wolf said:
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He does live by the morals we do because we are created in His image. We are commanded to live by His objective moral law based on His objective moral character.
ken: Morality is not defined as living according to your Gods moral character.
True, but good morals is. You can have a good morality or a bad morality. If you live by God's morality then you are morally good, otherwise you are not good.
Ed1wolf said:
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No, it says in verse 14 that he is not to treat her brutally, plainly rape is brutal so that is forbidden. He could be reported by either family members or servants to the elders and they would take him before the judge.
ken: In his house, the kidnapper decides what is brutal treatment, or what is rape; and his servants or children are not going to go against him in defense of his victim.
How do you know? There are many cases where children have reported their parents crimes especially adult children. Most humans recognize brutal treatment. There could also be witnesses that are not members of the family. Someone could hear her screaming next door and etc.
ken: The fact that he was allowed and encouraged to kidnap is wrong and how dare you try to defend it.
She was not kidnapped, she was a POW in a war against a very evil nation that treated women and children like dirt. Once she saw the much more civilized Hebrews and lived with them she most likely would have eventually become glad she was captured. This happened in Japan during WW II quite often, they were shocked how well the US treated its POWs and came to admire America greatly.
ken: If the Muslims were doing this today I’ll bet you would be the first to point your finger, but because it is done by YOUR team, you look the other way or worse yet; try to defend it. Shame on you!
Actually devout Muslims DO rape women and unlike the bible, the Koran actually DOES condone it. But as I have shown nowhere in the text does it condone rape, in fact it condemns it, the verse said the man is commanded to NOT treat her brutally. How many times do I have to repeat this to get past your hatred of God and His laws for His ancient people?
Ed1wolf said:
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You admitted that morality is subjective which means that it is not real or actually right or wrong it is all just subjective preference based on feelings.
ken: Are feelings real? If so, then morality based on feelings are just as real.
Yes feelings are real but you dont always know what is causing them it could be indigestion, hormones, drugs, or etc. and may not have anything to do with morality. So the feeling you are doing the right thing could be just because you ate something bad that day or a hormonal fluctuation.