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Why do you think Carter, was the best president?
What do you mean by a "better life"? Most people participating in churches seem to be happier, they have access to social support and a network of friends, at the very least. Let's not look at religious belief in the abstract here, and let's not generalize from your own experience on the matter.
The fact is, this thread, like many others, is degenerating into anti-religious soundbites that have been repeated for centuries, and are just as problematic today as they were centuries ago.
Is this why 9 million children die each year before the age of five, because they are wicked?
Being harsh with people that have wronged you is not a wise thing to do because we are all ultimately sinners before God, we have all wronged God. That's what Jesus' parable of the unforgiving servant is about.
Of course making amends to people you have wronged is generally a good idea. But demanding that they do so, is not in keeping with the grace that Christians have been given.
What do you mean by a "better life"? Most people participating in churches seem to be happier, they have access to social support and a network of friends, at the very least. Let's not look at religious belief in the abstract here, and let's not generalize from your own experience on the matter.
The fact is, this thread, like many others, is degenerating into anti-religious soundbites that have been repeated for centuries, and are just as problematic today as they were centuries ago.
How can you demonstrate; the world obeys perfectly, the will of God?
Not always. For example, say I was a victim of child rape (I wasn't, but pretend I was for the purposes of this discussion). I think I would have every right to be harsh with the person who assaulted me, and make sure they were punished within the full extent of the law. Likewise, I don't think forgiveness for someone who would do that is necessarily a good thing. I doubt very heavily that if I was in that position that I'd ever forgive, and I'd be ok with that.
That's an extreme example, I could also completely sympathize with a person who would never forgive a cheating spouse, or a negligent parent. Blanket forgiveness is not a good thing, however it would still be the right thing to do for the wrongdoers to own up to their mistakes and at least attempt to make things right.
As for your second part, I disagree we are all ultimately sinners before god, and we have wronged god... that kind of comes with the atheist territoryThat being said, I view that to be a very sad and depraved worldview. Most people are good people who try to live the best life they can. Are we perfect? No. Are we generally good? Yes.
I think attempting to make amends is the only morally permissible action when you have wronged someone. Failure to do so is to abdicate responsibility for your actions.
This makes me feel ill.
Is this why 9 million children die each year before the age of five, because they are wicked?
Is this why 9 million children die each year before the age of five, because they are wicked?
The answer "no", applied consistently, would mean even greater problems for your theology.Did you want to drag out their suffering another 110 years?
Could you guys do that?Should we do that at your request?
Yes, you are wise, I think, to dodge the issue — although you could have saved yourself embarrassment by ducking out earlier. You are not alone is being unable to answer the question. Many quite unbelievable explanations are produced to try to deal with the problem of children's suffering, but no-one seems able to come up with even the most unlikely answer to the question "Why does God make animals suffer pain?"I speak mostly for the man kingdom...which the man is made in the image of God. For man suffering exist for two purposes to learn obedience and for purification. The suffering for purification has a beginning, a middle and a ending. Suffering because of sins, take us to grave before the initial appointed time. As it is written, God shall shorten the days of the wicked.
dan
No, it's not my premise. It's the science. Bring your anthropology up to speed.
Did you want to drag out their suffering another 110 years?
Should we do that at your request?
I've no problem accepting that some moral principles stem from issues of survival. However, I doubt anthropologists have much "science" to support such a position. And, if you're suggesting that all moral principles stem from issues of survival you are overreaching.
As a history student, I'm much relieved that the idea of history as a "science" is falling away. History utilizes the results of science in some places, but to call history a science is an abuse. Since it seems to me anthropology is just a combination of history, sociology, and archaeology it needs to incorporate some of the same cautions.
Anyway, thanks for clarifying that the premise is not yours, but from certain anthropologists.
Does length matter? These children suffered along with their famalies, that were likely praying for their loved on to be saved.The poster in question stated people suffer because they are wicked, so i asked him if these 9 million children suffered because they are wicked.
Children are holy and pure before the Lord. They are sanctified by the Blood of Jesus Christ until they are old enough to understand good and Evil and then chose evil for themselves. The reason some little children suffer in this fallen world and God permits it....is because of what they did before coming to this world. Just as our choices determine our fate in the next world ...the Children who are born into this world was determined what they did in heaven. There are no accidents, chances or luck of the draw. Where and who we are born to is determine by God based on Justice. The suffering of the innocent in this world is determine by God. What is important is the next life. Do not get confused and forget what is the goal. The Goal is not the wide and easy road which eventually lead to destruction. Those little children that die will rise to more Glory than most of us.
dan
Short suffering, long suffering for 110 years at your request.
I say that short suffering is better.
Yes, all suffering is a direct result of man turning from God.
But that gives us the choice to turn back. That's the downside
of having the option to trust God. Yes, the children suffer from
our decision to sin.
I've no problem accepting that some moral principles stem from issues of survival. However, I doubt anthropologists have much "science" to support such a position. And, if you're suggesting that all moral principles stem from issues of survival you are overreaching.
As a history student, I'm much relieved that the idea of history as a "science" is falling away. History utilizes the results of science in some places, but to call history a science is an abuse. Since it seems to me anthropology is just a combination of history, sociology, and archaeology it needs to incorporate some of the same cautions.
Anyway, thanks for clarifying that the premise is not yours, but from certain anthropologists.
What is you're evidence of where morality originates from?
Survival tactics evolved and enculturated. They become tradition, and sometimes ritual, long past their immediate utility. It's very basic social anthropology.
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