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...see any Ice Giants...?
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Yeah, yeah, "agree with me suffer for eternity." Oldest trick in the priestly book.
How do you claim that Thor a "myth", and the xtian deities are not? THe evidence for the existence of each is precisely the same.
"demonic cult"
-- Is that even supposed to mean.....anything? -- especially to anyone who doesn't believe in such myths?
Good -- then send him over to my place for beers.
"Mock"...? Try "refute the claims of...".
Strawman/Red Herring much? What atheist believes in thor? You appear to be attempting to dodge the utter destruction of your claim by disingenuously accusing your interlocutor of believing in the trivial content of the Reductio Ad Absurdum rebuttal that was presented.
HipTip: Look up: Argumentum Ad Baculum Fallacy.
...As if we were incapable of altruism, compassion, and empathy -- all qualities that this entity would have supposedly "programmed us with in the first place -- without this "evil"? That's simply incoherent.
Ad hoc assertion, Black Swan Fallacy. We naturally care for each other without someone else inflicting "evil" on us to prompt us to do so.
Sweeping generalization much?
Really? [citation needed].
'Nuther Black Swan Fallacy. And Ad Hoc assertion.
....what is that supposed to even mean?
OH, and heeeeeeere it comes.....wait for it......oh, there it is:
[citation needed]
That leaves us with the question "Why the heck would God want a physical world to exist?"
1. God is immoral if He requires a child to worship Him before He will cure them of a painful and life threatening disease.
2. God requires a child to worship Him before He will cure them of a painful and life threatening disease.
3. Therefore, God is immoral
This is your argument. I will wait for you to defend one and two. Thanks.
1. If God exists, then nobody would have to ask to be cured of their ailments.
2. People have to ask to be cured of their ailments.
3. Therefore, God does not exist.
This is your argument. I will wait for you to defend one and two. Thanks.
1. God is immoral if His plan for humanity entails that billions must die due to painful cancers.
2. God's plan for humanity entails that billions must die due to painful cancers.
3. Therefore, God is immoral.
This is your argument. I will wait for you to defend one and two. Thanks.
LOL, who said contracting HIV was a punishment?
No, I did not realize that. You have any of these testimonies?
This is all just load of nonsense- a way to just dodge around the inevitable.
Nothing quite says 'temper tantrum' like fallacy-fallacy-fallacy-citation-put your ear muffs on and hear nothing but your own brain tinkering
That's atheism for you.
Not even worth my time.
Non-sequitur.
And they would be wrong. Just because a Christian has a view about something, it does not follow that that view is biblical.
A man died and stood before God and God asks the man why he did not believe in Him and the man replies. "you did not help the suffering babies who were dying from ebola!" God replies, "remember the first time you read about the plight of these children and how you felt a sense of compassion for them?" The man replies, "yes." God then says, "I had arranged for you to personally be able to help in alleviating these children's suffering by giving you the money and the means to help them, but you were too concerned about arguing with a Christian on an internet forum and the window of opportunity came and went. Since you found the children unworthy of your time effort and money, I sent my own followers to help these children and even now, after your death, they are giving their lives, effort, time and money for the sake of these children. So you see, it was you who was evil in not helping when you could have. I wanted to give you the awesome privilege of being able to see a sick child recover and go on to grow up and know that you had a part in it. But you rejected the opportunity. You rejected it because you did not love them."
This Todd, is what you need to think long and hard about.
If your child asks you for a loaded gun or a cup of rat poison you would not give it to them.
What have you done to alleviate the pain of children suffering from ebola?
Either God does not exist, or God is immoral. Take your pick.
Reaping what one sows is the centrifugal force of what you call 'punishment'.Since God could stop it at any time, how could it not be a punishment?
God is off the hook because the blame is assigned to the one who is to blame, sinful man, not a Holy God.
It is because of the choice of a man, that sin is in this world, and death through sin. God did not cause Adam to sin. Adam sinned because he wanted something even after being warned what would happen for disobeying God.
If you do not love the children dying of Ebola and have done nothing to alleviate their suffering, then you and everyone else like you are to blame. Not God.
In your world, does the God you believe in take active participation in the world, or does he just observe/experience the world?
In your world, does the God you believe in take active participation in the world, or does he just observe/experience the world?
Ad hoc assertion, Black Swan Fallacy.
Sweeping generalization much?
Really? [citation needed].
'Nuther Black Swan Fallacy. And Ad Hoc assertion.
....what is that supposed to even mean?
OH, and heeeeeeere it comes.....wait for it......oh, there it is:
[citation needed]
....who promised to rid the world of Ice Giants, as distinguished from promising to rid the world of "sin".
...see any Ice Giants...?
Strawman much?
.....what, because some yahoo on the interwebz says so?
I'm sorry, am I supposed to be impressed with a fallacious appeal to authority that employs a literary figure I do not believe in?
That statement is completely meaningless to me.
Oh, yes -- THAT'S what it means: You were winding up to pitch an Ad Hominem Fallacy.
Mind-Reading Fallacy much?
Does that even mean anything?
Yes, it is quite frustrating to have irrational beliefs examined objectively, and watch them wither in the light of day.
Project much?
Strawman much?
What, because some yahoo on the interwebz says so?
Loading up for another Ad Baculum Fallacy, mate?
Nothing says "Ad Hominem Fallacy" like
Project much?
The Bible comes right out and says God created evil. You should muscle up on the teachings of Abrahamic religion if you are going to dispute it so absurdly.According to your story, this god created everything. Which means that it created this "evil" you speak of (which is a quite disputable concept as well), and could have chosen to not "create" it, or allow it to be a factor in its creation. So, yes.
[citation needed]
I love it when people just make stuff up.
when an artist paints a picture he doesn't need to be in it......but he can always go back and change it if needed
Nope, are you going to share what you think you see?
I'm just revealing your antagonistic, atheist grandstanding for what it is.H, I thought you said we weren't worth your time.
Any debate. Even among those such as Dawkins who I'm sure you have a secret shrine of in your basement, people aren't abusing the concept of 'fallacies'. It's extremely anti-intellectual for you to be sitting here with that drivel. You've used the word 'fallacy' more times then I've ever seen anyone in my life. It's time to move to the grown ups table.What is "not proper debate"? Rebutting your bald, ad hoc assertions? You seem to have a unique definition of what "debate" is, could you kindly share that with us?
It's hard to forget about the part God played in that garden.
God is omniscient, so he knew what Adam would do and the consequences of Adam's sin before creating him, the Garden, the Tree. You can't surprise an omniscient being.
Why would God put Adam in a situation where he would sin?
Maybe God had no choice. But God is also omnipotent. If omniscient beings can't be surprised, omnipotent beings can't be forced by circumstance.
So God placed Adam at a place where he would sin, then proceeded to punish not only him, but all of his descendents.
Millions upon millions of people suffered and died, though they never ate that apple. So today, when children die, you blame Adam. Why not blame God?
If you want your God omniscient and omnipotent, erase omnibenevolent. If you need omnibenevolence, erase either omnipotence or omniscience.
PS: you wouldn't have this problem with Thor.
PPS: About your earlier post that God doesn't cure cancer victims because they don't believe enough: Great! let's blame the dying child and her parents, along with Adam and various posters for his plight. Anyone but god.
Ok, so back to my original question.
Does the God you believe in have any influence (or does he influence) what happens in this world, or is he just watching and has no influence on what occurs?
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