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You are wrong on both accounts...
Things are turning or are going to turn out a specific way cause that's the way God planned it.
Secondly I already mentioned before how god will go against the laws of nature, even in the laws of sin and death, even his own plans sometimes, which are like a law of physics or nature in some cases, sometimes, when he chooses to and he has proven this...
God Bless!
How, has he proven this?
Which miracles and why do you believe in them?
Take too long to list them all in detail, but in short all the miracles performed by Yahweh through the leaders and prophets in the OT, Jesus miracles, and the miracles performed by the apostles disciples in the book of Acts, and recorded in some of the gospels...
What's determinism as you define it?
From this discussion, it appears that we can establish two things.
First, God is not omnipotent. Things are going to turn out a specific way, and there is nothing God can do about it.
Second, God can't stop evil.
If God can't change events and can't stop evil, then why call him God?
well ``the belief that all events are caused by things that happened before them and that people have no real ability to make choices or control what happens``
Ok. Why do believe these miracles actually happened as claimed?
So, evil is not only physical things that are not nice. But there is the invisible and nonmaterial spirit of evil. And I personally don't think God brought this into existence. But He can do something about it, get rid of it to a place away from His children . . . where fire can keep it contained and in control.
The Bible clearly says there is "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience," in Ephesians 2:2. This is Satan's spirit which "works" in people. Those selfish and nasty emotions do work very hard. But Satan's spirit is in people who are refusing to obey how our Father rules them with His own peace in their hearts; so they get the nasty stuff, instead.So, if God did not bring it into existence...how did it get here?
Is He not omniscient and evil was a mistake in His creation?
Is He not all powerful and cannot complete stop it yet?
These are not solid Christian teachings.
The Bible clearly says there is "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience," in Ephesians 2:2. This is Satan's spirit which "works" in people. Those selfish and nasty emotions do work very hard. But Satan's spirit is in people who are refusing to obey how our Father rules them with His own peace in their hearts; so they get the nasty stuff, instead.
But Jesus calls to "all", with hope for "all" > "'Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:29-30)
The spirit of evil is kept here so it is not in Heaven. And it is in people who do not obey God. They are vessels for holding it, now, until it is moved to the flaming sewer which burns with fire and brimstone.
So, God who is almighty does have it under control, keeping it here while He saves people from their sin, before the final judgment. This earth, then, is a prison-of-war camp for Satan and his angels and humans who keep volunteering to live in his selfish spirit.
So, God who is love (1 John 4:8&16) did not bring Satan's evil spirit into existence, but He does know about it and is managing where it is. And as much as we stay with God and obey Him in His peace, we also are in His creative leading to do the good which can be done, in spite of any evil.
"Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." (Romans 12:21)
Our Father has the power almighty to eliminate suffering.Does the Christian god have the power to eliminate suffering?
Does the Christian god have the power to eliminate suffering?
The Bible clearly says there is "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience," in Ephesians 2:2. This is Satan's spirit which "works" in people. Those selfish and nasty emotions do work very hard. But Satan's spirit is in people who are refusing to obey how our Father rules them with His own peace in their hearts; so they get the nasty stuff, instead.
But Jesus calls to "all", with hope for "all" > "'Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:29-30)
The spirit of evil is kept here so it is not in Heaven. And it is in people who do not obey God. They are vessels for holding it, now, until it is moved to the flaming sewer which burns with fire and brimstone.
So, God who is almighty does have it under control, keeping it here while He saves people from their sin, before the final judgment. This earth, then, is a prison-of-war camp for Satan and his angels and humans who keep volunteering to live in his selfish spirit.
So, God who is love (1 John 4:8&16) did not bring Satan's evil spirit into existence, but He does know about it and is managing where it is. And as much as we stay with God and obey Him in His peace, we also are in His creative leading to do the good which can be done, in spite of any evil.
"Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." (Romans 12:21)
Yes, and He does not want to...and that does not make Him evil either as long as He has a better reason for keeping it around than we have for getting rid of it. And, I'll go with the omniscient one's opinion over yours or mine.
If he has the power to eliminate suffering and chooses not to, then he automatically loses all claim to benevolent benevolent or perfectly moral.
He is defined as all powerful, that means he could choose whatever he wants for running the universe. If evil is required, that's because god chose it to be a requirement. That also automatically disqualifies him as an ultimately benevolent figure.
Who has said God has chosen not to eliminate suffering?
Christians do not say this. For they believe the exact opposite. That God will eliminate it.
What omnipotence entails has been a topic of discussion for centuries. A common consensus is that it simply means the ability to bring about any state of affairs logically possible and in accordance with His nature.
God's plan for humanity includes the existence of evil. No Christian finds this troubling. Nor does it mean that God is not omnibenevolent. It simply means that He has at least one morally sufficient reason for temporarily permitting it.
You do understand that an omnipotent being isn't limited to what is logically possible, because if it can't defy logic, then that is something it cannot do, thus it isn't omnipotent.
That is not what omnipotence means.
Sorry.
There are a lot of things God cannot do. This does not mean He is not omnipotent.
I suggest reading up on perfect being theology.
Omnipotent literally means "can do anything, has no limits". Seriously, if a being can't literally do anything and everything, it isn't omnipotent. It can certainly be powerful, but it wouldn't be omnipotent.
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