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The President's greatest error to date:

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That isn’t hindsight.
Sure it is. Your solution seems obvious... now. I don't presume to know what intelligence the people on the ground had to work with before the attack.

You seem to think if they had just followed your 3 step process this whole thing could have been avoided. The real world is messy. That's the luxury you have of being an armchair, Monday morning commander. It's much harder to do when people's lives depend on your decisions.

It is SOP in every combat situation.
What's your estimation as to why the commanders on the ground didn't follow SOP in this situation?
 
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This is literally what Joe Biden abandoned.

SOP: don't use 16 year old photos
 
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That isn’t hindsight.

It is SOP in every combat situation.
What “combat situation”?
We were leaving anyways, the deal that Honest Donald Trump made with the Taliban, last year, called for us to be out by May 1, 2021, (Biden bought us another three months).
I guess no one in the Previous Administration thought to plan for it. (Pure supposition, I’m sure!)
 
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You seem to think if they had just followed your 3 step process this whole thing could have been avoided. The real world is messy. That's the luxury you have of being an armchair, Monday morning commander. It's much harder to do when people's lives depend on your decisions.
Wasn’t this a South Park episode?
 
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You seem to think if they had just followed your 3 step process this whole thing could have been avoided. The real world is messy. That's the luxury you have of being an armchair, Monday morning commander. It's much harder to do when people's lives depend on your decisions.

It isn't my 3 step method - it is what the military does when they withdraw from a base. Especially in a hostile area. You can call me any name you want, if that is what makes you sleep better, but I have worn the uniform, I have served. I have had to make decisions where people lives depended on it. I don't know if you did or not, it sure doesn't seem like it.

Going past your 'Monday morning commander' quip - what part of those three step seems illogical or unlikely?


What's your estimation as to why the commanders on the ground didn't follow SOP in this situation?

No clue why they didn't follow the procedure we have been following for the last 60 years. You would have to ask them.

This thread isn't about me or you - it is about the utter failure of this President.
 
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