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The President's greatest error to date:

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Part of me thinks this would have been a train wreck no matter who was behind the helm. The other part of me thinks we should have been discreetly evacuating our people for months, so as not to have to rush people out with the Taliban already back in control now.
exactly this. it was a disaster from the start. Trump starting the withdrawal was good, Biden finishing it was good. what was bad was the execution, and worse the complete shirking of responsibility, from the president with the most time in the executive branch during the whole thing.
 
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This is literally what Joe Biden abandoned.

75,000 vehicles including light and medium duty tactical vehicles, Humvees MRAP and armored personal carriers.

208 Air craft including 20 A29 Super Tacano and Black Hawk Helicopters

600,000 weapons including machine guns, shotguns, 25,000 grenade launchers and 2,5000 howitzers.

20,000,000 rounds of ammo

An airbase that has been secure for 19 years and the man power to go get anyone they choose.

That is what happened under the leadership of Joe Biden.
 
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Interesting that you do not know that we have recued more Afghanis than Americans so far, and that doesn't bother you.
Americans knew this was going to happen, since March. If they didn't leave . That is on them.
 
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Gifts from the Biden Administration to our enemies.

Tell me again how our troops could not get all American citizens out?

They have to be there to do that.
 
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Gifts from the Biden Administration to our enemies.

Tell me again how our troops could not get all American citizens out?

They have to be there to do that.
How much of this equipment belonged to the Afghanistan Air Force?
 
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How much of this equipment belonged to the Afghanistan Air Force?

Zero - It is American Equipment, Brought in from America and store on an American AFB similar equipment was there for more than 20 years. Until the Biden Administration had the secure airbase abandoned along with the equipment.
 
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Zero - It is American Equipment, Brought in from America and store on an American AFB similar equipment was there for more than 20 years. Until the Biden Administration had the secure airbase abandoned along with the equipment.
How much (then) was/is functional?
 
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Gifts from the Biden Administration to our enemies.

Tell me again how our troops could not get all American citizens out?

They have to be there to do that.
I seriously doubt the taliban have what it takes to keep up with the proper maintenance of the large vehicles and equipment left behind. Those choppers alone will become death traps to the pilots and crew and be exceedingly difficult to fix without the proper tools, parts and qualified mechanics to keep them going.
 
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I seriously doubt the taliban have what it takes to keep up with the proper maintenance of the large vehicles and equipment left behind. Those choppers alone will become death traps to the pilots and crew and be exceedingly difficult to fix without the proper tools, parts and qualified mechanics
to keep them going.

They are currently using the helicopters to hang people from.


Google it if you want proof. There are pictures and video

I seriously doubt you are correct, nor have sufficient personal knowledge on the subject.
 
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Earlier this year, Gates reserved his strongest criticism for Vice President Joe Biden, who he said has been "wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades."

He is still correct
 
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They are currently using the helicopters to hang people from.
Yeah? And we used them to destroy poor countries and destabilize entire geographic regions. If that’s what they’re using helicopters for then it won’t be long until there’s video of a taliban pilot crashing one.

I seriously doubt you are correct, nor have sufficient personal knowledge on the subject.
Let’s hear your solutions mr Monday morning commander. What would you do if it was your tail on the line?

What knowledge and experience do you have of the maintenance and upkeep of military aircraft?
 
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This is literally what Joe Biden abandoned.

75,000 vehicles including light and medium duty tactical vehicles, Humvees MRAP and armored personal carriers.

208 Air craft including 20 A29 Super Tacano and Black Hawk Helicopters

600,000 weapons including machine guns, shotguns, 25,000 grenade launchers and 2,5000 howitzers.

20,000,000 rounds of ammo

An airbase that has been secure for 19 years and the man power to go get anyone they choose.

That is what happened under the leadership of Joe Biden.

....it would have happened under any president with the will to end a 20 year war.
 
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....it would have happened under any president with the will to end a 20 year war.


Yeah, that is the current narrative. There are numbers of others who would disagree, but thank you for your opinion
 
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Yeah, that is the current narrative. here are numbers of others who would disagree, but thank you for your opinion

Say, how do you prevent military hardware from falling into the hands of the enemy?

1) Never go to war with them
2) Never provide American hardware to another military or insurgent force (to fight)

Military hardware has been exchanging hands in Afghanistan since we first sent stinger missiles to the Mujahideen.
 
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Well thank you for your service Commander Hindsight. Next time we’ll tell the pentagon to get with you first.

That isn’t hindsight.

It is SOP in every combat situation.
 
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