The Preservation of the Holy Scriptures

[Hammster]

This is just another of the thousands of lies that the KJO crowd is circulating about translations of the Bible. Here is the truth from the publishers of the NASB, The Lockman Foundation,

The Board of Directors of The Lockman Foundation launched the New American Standard Bible translation work in the late 1950’s following the completion of the Amplified New Testament. Dr. S. Franklin Logsdon was acquainted with Dewey Lockman, president of The Lockman Foundation, prior to Mr. Lockman’s death in 1974. Mr. Logsdon was never a member of the Board of Directors, nor was he an employee of The Lockman Foundation. Mr. Logsdon had no authority to hire employees or translators for the Foundation, to set policy, to vote, to hold office, to incur expenses, etc. He cannot be considered ‘co-founder’ of the NASB, nor part of the Lockman Foundation, nor part of the NASB translation team, nor did he write the forward to the NASB. According to our records, he was present at board meetings on two occasions—once to hear a travel report; and once to deliver an ‘inspirational thought.’

Mr. Logsdon last wrote to Mr. Lockman in fall of 1973 that he was moving to Florida. Mr. Lockman replied that he was surprised and saddened by his decision to leave the area. Mr. Lockman passed away in January of 1974, and no further correspondence was exchanged between Frank Logsdon and The Lockman Foundation. He resided in Florida until his passing some years ago.
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Thanks for that.

 

[SaintJoeNow]

I've not tried to convince you that it's not the word of God, even though you've tried to convince us that other translations are not. So please don't make that false accusation against me.

So when you say the King James Bible is deficient, and erroneous, and a less accurate translation than some or all more modern translations, you are not trying to convince me that it is not the word of God? Who are you trying to convince? Why are you trying to convince them? I thought the word of God was accurate, not deficient in any way, and not erroneous and those qualities are necessary.

The topic of this thread is "the preservation of scripture" Do you expect people who agree with the OP to say nothing while you try to trash it?

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by SaintJoeNow View Post
Wow, it's great that you are getting closer to God's accurate word. Keep trying to find it and I know you will get it. Even if you stop trying to find it, I know you will have it entirely accurate in heaven and we can talk about it full of joy there with Jesus when we are changed into His likeness forever. Isn't that a wonderful thought? You and me in heaven with Jesus? Wouldn't it be wonderful if we can bring some more people to see how they can be saved from Hell and know NOW that their sins are forgiven and heaven is their home?
Until you have God's accurate word, on Earth or in heaven, please pray for me, brother. I'm sure you mean well for me and for everybody else here. I covet your prayers. Satan wants to tear us to pieces. I pray God protects you always for His own name's sake as His child.

I believe God has given me His word in English, and I thank God for that. I'm sorry if this bothers you. I don't want to fight with you about it. You will never convince me that the King James Bible is not the word of God. You will never convince me that any other version is the word of God. Please don't try to make me fight about it. We are brothers in Christ, are we not? Are we not commanded to love each other? I can tolerate you believing the King James Bible is not the word of God, can you tolerate me believing it is the word of God?

I've not tried to convince you that it's not the word of God, even though you've tried to convince us that other translations are not. So please don't make that false accusation against me.

I believe we are all sharing our opinions here, brother, which is a GOOD thing, amen?

Thank you kindly.

 

[Hammster]

So when you say the King James Bible is deficient, and erroneous, and a less accurate translation than some or all more modern translations, you are not trying to convince me that it is not the word of God?

Nope.

Who are you trying to convince? Why are you trying to convince them? I thought the word of God was accurate, not deficient in any way, and not erroneous and those qualities are necessary.

The word of God is not deficient. That doesn't mean that translations are perfect, as the KJV illustrates.

The topic of this thread is "the preservation of scripture" Do you expect people who agree with the OP to say nothing while you try to trash it?

Not trashing. Just giving a balanced look.

 

[SaintJoeNow]

I've not tried to convince you that it's not the word of God, even though you've tried to convince us that other translations are not. So please don't make that false accusation against me.

You are very strong in your beliefs and that is a great quality for a great leader. Thank you for stating why you believe the King James Bible is not the word of God, and other versions are more accurate translations. I don't want to falsely accuse you of anything. If you are not trying to convince me or anybody that the word of God is erroneous in all English translations and the King James Version is less accurate than some or all modern versions, I'm terribly sorry. I thought I understood what you were saying. Maybe I did not. Whatever you are saying, I'm sure you mean well in it.

God bless you, brother, keep up the good work.

 

[Hammster]

You are very strong in your beliefs and that is a great quality for a great leader. Thank you for stating why you believe the King James Bible is not the word of God, and other versions are more accurate translations. I don't want to falsely accuse you of anything. If you are not trying to convince me or anybody that the word of God is erroneous in all English translations and the King James Version is less accurate than some or all modern versions, I'm terribly sorry. I thought I understood what you were saying. Maybe I did not. Whatever you are saying, I'm sure you mean well in it.

God bless you, brother, keep up the good work.

What do you think you are gaining by completely twisting my words and misrepresenting what I say?

 

[SaintJoeNow]

Nope.

The word of God is not deficient. That doesn't mean that translations are perfect, as the KJV illustrates.

Not trashing. Just giving a balanced look.

Good sir, great leader, wonderful moderator, if you were giving a balanced look you would take some time to look deeper after I have only scratched the surface of the vast amount of doctrinal changes in modern versions compared to the King James Version which is consistent in maintaining doctrine in all passages and verses compared.

It's ok if you don't believe you have the Word of God in English. I believe I do, and I believe you can too if you will only believe the King James Bible is the Bible. If you will honestly look at the doctrinal changes in modern versions, I think you will abandon them as useful in your quest to find God's word accurately stated in English.

It's ok if you do not want to investigate the matter without bias. You are still a wonderful Christian doing a wonderful job of encouraging other Christians in the faith, and you are a great representative of God's saving grace so God can use you to draw others to Himself. God bless you.

 

[brinny]

..i stumbled over this video a couple days ago with a man speaking whom i had never heard of before (Dr Voddie Baucham) ....and he spoke on this very subject. Regardless of whether one agrees with his view or not, he has come to a well-thought out and studied conclusion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWU12DzPTUo

 

[SaintJoeNow]

What do you think you are gaining by completely twisting my words and misrepresenting what I say?

I appreciate your fearlessness and strength of character and I am trying to gain a friend by accurately representing what you are saying and trying to tell you that it's ok for you to be convinced that everything you say is entirely right. I know God can reveal Himself to you in all of the modern versions, even in the Jehovah's Witnesses version, "the New World Translation", I can show from that version that Jesus is God who died for our sins to save us from Hell and that He rose bodily from the grave. These basic doctrines of the faith are completely different than what the Jehovah's Witnesses believe, and the version they had translated to support their cult's teachings can be used to reveal the Truth of God and God can speak to you in that version. All versions are the same in this regard, (well, not all I guess. some recent versions are so far removed from the word of God that I don't think anybody can get saved by reading them. The NIV, RSV, NASB, and even the New World Translation are not nearly as bad as some of the more recent modern versions) and it's ok if you think all versions are more accurate and better than the King James Version. The most important thing is that you know you are saved from Hell and going to heaven.

I am friends with many who disagree with me on this subject, I don't see why we can't be friends, brothers in Christ.

 

[Hammster]

Good sir, great leader, wonderful moderator, if you were giving a balanced look you would take some time to look deeper after I have only scratched the surface of the vast amount of doctrinal changes in modern versions compared to the King James Version which is consistent in maintaining doctrine in all passages and verses compared.

It's ok if you don't believe you have the Word of God in English. I believe I do, and I believe you can too if you will only believe the King James Bible is the Bible. If you will honestly look at the doctrinal changes in modern versions, I think you will abandon them as useful in your quest to find God's word accurately stated in English.

It's ok if you do not want to investigate the matter without bias. You are still a wonderful Christian doing a wonderful job of encouraging other Christians in the faith, and you are a great representative of God's saving grace so God can use you to draw others to Himself. God bless you.

Once again, you misrepresented what I've said.

 

[SaintJoeNow]

..i stumbled over this video a couple days ago with a man speaking whom i had never heard of before (Dr Voddie Baucham) ....and he spoke on this very subject. Regardless of whether one agrees with his view or not, he has come to a well-thought out and studied conclusion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWU12DzPTUo

the sound is off....oops, my mistake, no computer whiz here

 

[brinny]

the sound is off

Is it something that can be adjusted?

 

[Hammster]

I appreciate your fearlessness and strength of character and I am trying to gain a friend by accurately representing what you are saying and trying to tell you that it's ok for you to be convinced that everything you say is entirely right. I know God can reveal Himself to you in all of the modern versions, even in the Jehovah's Witnesses version, "the New World Translation", I can show from that version that Jesus is God who died for our sins to save us from Hell and that He rose bodily from the grave. These basic doctrines of the faith are completely different than what the Jehovah's Witnesses believe, and the version they had translated to support their cult's teachings can be used to reveal the Truth of God and God can speak to you in that version. All versions are the same in this regard, (well, not all I guess. some recent versions are so far removed from the word of God that I don't think anybody can get saved by reading them. The NIV, RSV, NASB, and even the New World Translation are not nearly as bad as some of the more recent modern versions) and it's ok if you think all versions are more accurate and better than the King James Version. The most important thing is that you know you are saved from Hell and going to heaven.

I am friends with many who disagree with me on this subject, I don't see why we can't be friends, brothers in Christ.

My friends don't lie about what I say.

 

[brinny]

the sound is off....oops, my mistake, no computer whiz here

Glad it's workin'

 

[SaintJoeNow]

Once again, you misrepresented what I've said.

Well I'm sorry. I don't know how I misrepresented what you have said, but I'm sorry you feel I have misrepresented you. I'll try to represent you more accurately.

 

[brinny]

....just a side note, Dr Voddie Baucham covers these verses in his video:

II Peter 1:16-21

16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.


Dr Voddie Baucham put it in synopsis here, based on the above verses:

“I choose to believe the Bible because it is a reliable collection of historical documents, written by eyewitnesses during the lifetime of other eyewitnesses. They report supernatural events that took place in fulfillment of specific prophecies, and they claim to be divine rather than human in origin.” ~Dr Voddie Baucham

Thank you kindly.

 

[Hammster]

Well I'm sorry. I don't know how I misrepresented what you have said, but I'm sorry you feel I have misrepresented you. I'll try to represent you more accurately.

It's not hard. Just don't say that I've said things that I haven't said.

 

[brinny]

In the thread pertaining to the poll for the "KJV Only", I began to engage in a good discussion with Tall73 about the "preservation" of the scriptures. I would, with Tall73's permission, like to continue this discussion.

I would like to make a few brief comments:

1) It is my opinion (whatever that is worth), that a discussion of this nature must begin, and maintain a particular level of professionalism.

2) We (the members of this forum), must always remember that we are ambassadors for Christ, hence, it is His testimony we harm, when we lack to represent Him in a positive way.

3) Each of us are indeed a product of our education, at least to some degree; and since we do not all share the se education, there is bound to be disagreement. May we disagree gracefully.

4) Finally, may we all consider what we may learn one from another, that all might be edified. I am a firm believer in the preservation of the Holy Scriptures, I hope we can discuss this issue in a way that honors our Heaveny Father.

Jack

I agree brother, amen.

God bless you.

 

[SaintJoeNow]

My friends don't lie about what I say.

How was I lying about what you said? Please show me where you are saying I misrepresented you, and even accusing me of lying about what you said so I can try to accurately represent you in honesty.

I'm terribly sorry that you seem to think I'm misrepresenting you or lying about what you said. Please show me where I did this so I can accurately apologize and be corrected.

Then we can be friends, right brother?

 

[SaintJoeNow]

Is it something that can be adjusted?

I got the volume figured out....that guy sure looks a lot like me