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There were NO Prophets/Apostles given BY God to the Church since Apostle John passed away!As much as I do enjoy your exercises in "creative writing" - try to stick to the topic of this thread as much as possible.
Ummmmmm, actually the BEGINNING of Daniel has only recently (i.e. the era approximate to 1948) began:End of Daniel not happened yet in history!
Refers to the last aspect of History right before the Second coming itself!Ummmmmm, actually the BEGINNING of Daniel has only recently (i.e. the era approximate to 1948) began:
Daniel 12:4 But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”... and if "run to and fro" suggests advanced travel (jet airlines), and "knowledge shall increase" suggests computer technology, -- then maybe we're finally able to unseal the prophetic Chapters of Daniel.
9 He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end.
I have, -- have you?
DaDad
I have posted a great many of them from Daniel 7 on page one of this thread
Feel free to select one that you believe to be in need of correction. That is how it normally works on these threads.
It ONLY existed in the mind of Ellen White!NO sir. It is you that needs to post the Scriptures that YOU need explained.
I am the saying that there is NO Investigative Judgment. It is then up to YOU to prove YOUR theology.
So again......Post ONE Scripture from Daniel 7 and I will explain it thoroughly for you.
Did you want GOD to cite FUTURE Apostles (and prophets, and evangelists, and pastors, and teachers)? If you state that you own two cars, and subsequently buy a third, are you now a liar? Or maybe when you announced the birth of your first child, you lied because you didn't include the three subsequent? Perhaps the current status may not reflect the future status?!?
DaDad
All so called Apostles of today would be speaking forth out of their own delusions and false teachings, as they do NOT uphold the theology of the scriptures, so the Holy Spirit is not with them!Jude told us that A true apostle would point out the false ones.
Yet today, not only do those who claim to be apostles fail to do so, but there are threats and manipulations for those who do not go along with what they are trying to portray. 'Jezebel,' 'Antichrist,' and 'Blasphemer of the Holy Spirit' are common terms used for those who speak against them.
Alarmingly, these impostor’s claim to be exclusively without error in their interpretations and teachings on these matters. They are to be questioned by no one. In reading the letter of Jude, we find him exhorting the believers to contend for their faith among apostates in the church.
More specifically, verse 17 reminds the church of the apostles' warnings of mockers coming in the last days that are natural men not having the Spirit. Today we find those who claim to have more of it than others. Nowhere do we find the apostles preaching they are anointed and certainly did not imply they were more so than others.
The danger of these mislead leaders is that they will cause divisions without realizing the harm they do, nor the judgment that they will eventually incur upon themselves.
The reason why there are no Apostles today is really very simple.
First of all, Scripturally we find that the apostles were all personally chosen by the Lord Jesus. Mt.10:1-4 and in Lk.6:12-16.
Now it is written in the Bible!!!!
The 2nd of the Biblical requirements for one to be rightly regarded as an apostle were those following Jesus from the time of John’s baptism.
Thirdly, they also were to have seen the risen Lord be witnesses of his resurrection.
When the closed group of twelve became eleven, they sought another to take Judas' office: Acts 1:21-22...…….
“Therefore, of these men who have accompanied us all the time the Lord Jesus went in and among us beginning from the baptism of John to that day he was taken up from us One of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection.' “
Now, my advice to you is that you argue with the Word of God and not me.
Ummmmmm, actually the BEGINNING of Daniel has only recently (i.e. the era approximate to 1948) began:
Daniel 12:4 But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”... and if "run to and fro" suggests advanced travel (jet airlines), and "knowledge shall increase" suggests computer technology, -- then maybe we're finally able to unseal the prophetic Chapters of Daniel.
9 He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end.
I have, -- have you?
DaDad
All so called Apostles of today would be speaking forth out of their own delusions and false teachings, as they do NOT uphold the theology of the scriptures, so the Holy Spirit is not with them!
Actually, EW viewpoint did, as we have God the father giving to jesus all of the saved, Jesus intercedes as their High priest, Holy Spirit seals them, and NONE shall ever be lost again!
Please allow me to quote "Liberty Of Conscience":
Rev_18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
John the Apostle wrote this after his Patmos experience, who are they and why would John warn of "false prophets" if it were not true (1 Corinthians 12-14; Ephesians 4)?
1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1 Cor. 14:29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said. 30 If a revelation is made to another sitting by, let the first be silent. 31 For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all be encouraged; 32 and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets.
Furthermore, why is it that we still have evangelists, pastors, and teachers? Shouldn't they have ceased to exist at the same time?
Perhaps YOU don't have apostles and prophets because your church is "dead". If I were the Pastor of a "dead" church I'd proclaim that miracles also ceased to exist, otherwise if the congregation realized that my "ministry" was "dead", they might find a NEW Pastor, and a weekly paycheck is awfully enticing to a hireling. -- What you don't know CAN hurt you ...
Game Over.
Thanks,
DaDad
You can twist what is says all you want, but Chapters 7, 8, 9, 11, & 12 all pertain to events approximate to the 1900's and into the 2,000's. -- It's easy to believe the commentator lies, but more difficult to discover the TRUTH. And if you decide to do your own research, an easy place to start might be the Intelligent Design sequence in 2:45, Iron, Bronze, Clay, Silver, Gold = 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE, which contradicts the 4a/4b premise.Refers to the last aspect of History right before the Second coming itself!
I really think I will stick with what Scripture says, and will pass on your "advice".Now, my advice to you is ...
... at the end of the Millennial Kingdom:TRUE born again believers will have been RAPTURED ...
Actually some who attend a DEAD church may even be participating in cult church:Personally, I have never been a member of a Dead Church. ... if you or me were in a DEAD church we would be either in a Grave Yard or a church of ATHIESTS.
Hmmmmm, it seems you defy Scripture:To want to have the "Sign Gifts" today is nothing more than "EMOTIONALISM" ...
Going back through the posts, it seems no one answered you question. So if you'll permit me, I'd like to provide the answer.Do you believe the little horn in Daniel 7, is the same little horn described in Daniel 8?
I see your point but the little horn in Daniel 7 and Daniel 8, both these little horns arise on different beasts. They obviously represent different nations or perhaps arise at different times.Going back through the posts, it seems no one answered you question. So if you'll permit me, I'd like to provide the answer.
Dan. 7:20 and concerning the ten horns that were on its head, and the other horn which came up ...Here we find TEN horns, and an ELEVENTH.
Dan. 7:20 .. and the other horn which came up and before which three of them fell ...Now we should know that the "three" are the Three Superpowers -- Lion/Eagle, U.K./U.S.; Bear, Russia; Leopard (actually a Tiger), China -- who will yield their sovereignty to the United Nations ("other" eleventh horn). And if we consider the ten horns for which the first three are the Three Superpowers, the remaining seven horns are itemized in total as follows:
Permanent Membership on the Security Council
1. U.S.
2. U.K.
3. France
4. Russia
5. China
NOMINATED for Permanent Membership on the Security Council *
6. Germany – economic powerDan. 7:20 ...the horn which had eyes and a mouth that spoke great things, and which seemed greater than its fellows.
7. Japan – economic power
8. Brazil – regional representative for S. America
9. Nigeria – regional representative for Africa
10. India – regional representative for the Near East
* “The Road To Reform: Towards A New Clarity,” U.N. Chronicle, UMI, Vol. 30, Issue 4, December 1993, pp. 45-46
Here we find that ALL eleven horns are similar, which is to suggest that they are all "little" horns, of which Dan. 8 cites one of the "little" horns, which is simply one of the ten.
But to understand the three catagories, one must understand history:
The Babylonian Empire was the first to employ the Metropolis model, which regulates trade, builds roads, builds Libraries, and even built an Amusement Park -- the Hanging Gardens, one of the Seven Wonders of the World.
This Babylonian Metropolis model as represented by the Image of Metals (Mystery Babylon) is the Great Horn; the four successive empires (Silver, Bronze, Iron, and Clay) are what could be called Regular Horns; and the end time U.N. affiliations are the Ten Little Horns, with the U.N. being the Eleventh Little Horn.
It's really pretty simple and straight forward when you think about it.
DaDad
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