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Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Kenneth Watwood, Jul 3, 2017.

  1. Aseyesee

    Aseyesee Well-Known Member

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    So God wants to save us from what he is going to us if we don't let him save us; or God created man on the earth knowing before hand what would happen if he did, but does it anyway, then becomes sorry that he did.
     
  2. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    Paul is not contradicting himself, you are. He specifically, IN CONTEXT, says Yeshua is of the seed of David IN THE FLESH. He would be physically related to King David. That could only be accomplished through His mother Miriam since His Father was THE Father. Yeshua was The Word, with no beginning or end, prior to His Incarnation, but took on flesh and tabernacled among us. Hebrews 7:13-14 says He is of a different tribe (Judah and not Levi). Again, this is a physical decent. He cant be from Judah if He was not from their physical lineage (Revelation 5:5). He is Priest forever because He is The Son of The Most High and King of Kings (Isaiah 9:7) because He is of the physical lineage of David and the kingship (scepter) shall never depart from Judah...Melekh Tzaddik (Hebrews 1:8)...King of Righteousness! There is nothing more to debate here...Scripture is screaming this at you, yet you still deny the truth. I'm finished with this...Shalom

    γενομένου ἐκ σπέρματος Δαυεὶδ κατὰ σάρκα
    having come of the seed of David according to the flesh
     
  3. Aseyesee

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    Why he is a descendant of David is not an issue of blood. It is the truth David was a picture of in relationship to a son, or place/feast he viewed God from.
     
  4. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    Again, He cant be from Judah if He was not from their physical lineage (Revelation 5:5).
     
  5. YHWH_will_uplift

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    What you miss is Jesus' rebuke to the Jews who claimed Abraham who they physically descended from: if they were truly of Abraham then they would have done his works and believed in Jesus as the Messiah. You keep failing as you have never answered Jesus' claim to not being the son of David. Not only this you never addressed Jesus' statement where He made clear who his true mother, brother, and sister are: those who do His Will.
     
  6. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    You seem not to understand between physical earthly comparisons and spiritual comparisons.
     
  7. Aseyesee

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    What I meant by what I said, is there is a higher reason for why he was of the lineage of David/tribe of judah, yet timeless as a son of his father.
     
  8. YHWH_will_uplift

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    No you choose to ignore the Word's of God's Son and selectively ignored Paul's comparison between Melchizedek and Jesus having neither father nor mother.
     
  9. Aseyesee

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    For Jesus, the son of man he was, was the son of God, two he made as one in himself.
     
  10. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    I don't ignore them, you misinterpret them. Again Paul himself states that Yeshua was of David's lineage. You keep wanting and needing to ignore this fact because it proves your theory wrong. Again, He cant be from Judah if He was not from their physical lineage (Revelation 5:5).
     
  11. YHWH_will_uplift

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    Then please explain what it means to not have father or mother, without descent, beginning or end of life and made to be the son of God?
     
  12. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    I already did. Read John 1. What about The Incarnation don't you get?
     
  13. YHWH_will_uplift

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    And since you want to keep insisting on Romans 1:3 why is that Paul needed to say that Jesus was made the seed of David according to the flesh? After all isn't that how all humans are born, according to the flesh? Note that in all the genealogies it was sufficient to say who one was physically descended from: there was no need to say that a person was born according to the flesh...unless Paul is implying that Jesus was not a descendant of David and that Jesus was not a mere man.
     
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  14. YHWH_will_uplift

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    No, no, no you're not running off with that weak reasoning. Melchizedek not only had no father or mother but, he walked in the flesh. It follows that if Jesus was made after Melchizedek's order that He also has no physical descent although He was made to walk in the flesh as we do. Jesus backs this up by stating with His own mouth that He is not the son of David. But if you choose to not accept the Messiah's own words then it would seem that the dog loves to return to it's own vomit.
     
  15. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    Then there was no reason to be born a child through Mary. It is only weak reasoning to YOU. No, He was explaining to them that they misunderstood the scripture. I accept and UNDERSTAND Messiah's words...you just mis-interpret them for your own ends...
     
  16. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    Because he was trying to tell people like YOU that Yeshua was both God and man. Read the entire part. He is telling you that Yeshua was directly related to David through His geneology.
     
  17. YHWH_will_uplift

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    He's directly related and yet Jesus says with his own Mouth that He is not directly related to David? You sound confused.
     
  18. Aseyesee

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    He also said with his own mouth, that he was the son of man, which is how God addressed Ezekiel.
     
  19. YHWH_will_uplift

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    If you guys or any on else wants to continue this then visit my blog where I created a post addressing this. yhwh-will-uplift's Blog | Christian Forums
     
  20. Aseyesee

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    It's a non-issue to me ... we know him no more after the flesh.
     
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