The Partial Preterist Believers Safe House

[JLB777]

Why call this Partial Preterism when you are just reading the Bible as it is actually written?

Preterist's "read into" what was actually written, from their own man-made, man-inspired doctrinal understanding's.

Example: the end of the age is now "understood" as the end of the "Jewish" age or "mosaic" age or even "old covenant age".

This is done in an attempt to get the reader to "read into" the end time prophecy of Jesus Christ on the mount of Olives, concerning the sign of His Coming and the end of the "age".

Then turn right around and say the sign of His Coming and the language that describes the signs that precede His Coming and the end of the age are "symbolic".

Total nonsense.


JLB

 

[random person]

29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

... they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

...they will see the Son of Man.


7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. Revelation 1:7


You must have some special bible where these verse's are deleted.


JLB

The sign is the destruction of Jerusalem that Christ has taken his throne in heaven.

The Greek word for "see" does not mean to see with physical eyes.

Majority of time in the Scriptures only the Israelites are referred to as tribes. "Tribes" = "Israelites".

The Greek word for "earth" is "ge" which also means land, region, country, etc.

 

[random person]

Preterist's "read into" what was actually written, from their own man-made, man-inspired doctrinal understanding's.

Example: the end of the age is now "understood" as the end of the "Jewish" age or "mosaic" age or even "old covenant age".

This is done in an attempt to get the reader to "read into" the end time prophecy of Jesus Christ on the mount of Olives, concerning the sign of His Coming and the end of the "age".

Then turn right around and say the sign of His Coming and the language that describes the signs that precede His Coming and the end of the age are "symbolic".

Total nonsense.


JLB

We let scripture interpret scripture and look into the original Hebrew and Greek to further investigate and interpret.

 

[random person]

Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all (pas #3956) these things be fulfilled. Matthew 24:34

Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all (pas #3956) these things be done. Mark 13:30

For these be the days of vengeance, that all (pas #3956) things which are written may be fulfilled. Luke 21:22

Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all (pas #3956) be fulfilled. Luke 21:32

3956. pas
Strong's Concordance
pas: all, every
Original Word: πᾶς, πᾶσα, πᾶν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: pas
Phonetic Spelling: (pas)
Short Definition: all, the whole, every kind of
Definition: all, the whole, every kind of.
HELPS Word-studies

3956 pás – each, every; each "part(s) of a totality" (L & N, 1, 59.24).

3956 /pás ("each, every") means "all" in the sense of "each (every) part that applies." The emphasis of the total picture then is on "one piece at a time." 365 (ananeóō) then focuses on the part(s) making up the whole – viewing the whole in terms of the individual parts.

[When 3956 (pás) modifies a word with the definite article it has "extensive-intensive" force – and is straightforward intensive when the Greek definite article is lacking.]

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance:

every, all manner of

Including all the forms of declension; apparently a primary word; all, any, every, the whole -- all (manner of, means), alway(-s), any (one), X daily, + ever, every (one, way), as many as, + no(-thing), X thoroughly, whatsoever, whole, whosoever.

PAS #3956


And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all (kol #3605) these things shall be finished. Daniel 12:7

3605. kol
Strong's Concordance
kol: the whole, all
Original Word: כֹּל
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: kol
Phonetic Spelling: (kole)
Short Definition: all
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from kalal

Definition
the whole, all

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance:

in all manner, ye, altogether, any manner, enough, every one, place, thing,

Or (Jer. 33:8) kowl {kole}; from kalal; properly, the whole; hence, all, any or every (in the singular only, but often in a plural sense) -- (in) all (manner, (ye)), altogether, any (manner), enough, every (one, place, thing), howsoever, as many as, (no-)thing, ought, whatsoever, (the) whole, whoso(-ever).


KOL #3605

 

[JLB777]

The sign is the destruction of Jerusalem that Christ has taken his throne in heaven.

This is a good example of "reading into" the scripture your own man made doctrine.

Matthew 24 has nothing to do with 70 AD, as there is no language that mention the events of 70AD.

It's simple to see what scripture interprets this scripture in Matthew 24, as Jesus is teaching His disciples from the prophet Zechariah about the Day of the Lord.

What better place to teach His disciples that the mount of Olives, the very place where His feet will stand when He returns with all His saints.

14 Behold, the day of the Lord is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then the Lord will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.
5 Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,
For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
Yes, you shall flee
As you fled from the earthquake
In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.

Thus the Lord my God will come,
And all the saints with You.

6 It shall come to pass in that day
That there will be no light;
The lights will diminish.
Zechariah 14:1-6

The armies of the nations surround Jerusalem.

The Lights are diminished.

Jesus returns with His saints.

The return of Jesus Christ is called the Day of the Lord.

Matthew 24 is a reference to Zechariah 14.

Nothing whatsoever to do with 70 AD.


JLB

 

[random person]

"Heaven And Earth" & "Sun/Moon Darkened" symbols to Preterists

 

[JLB777]

"Heaven And Earth" & "Sun/Moon Darkened" symbols to Preterists

24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. [Literal]
25 "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring;
26 men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of heaven will be shaken. Luke 21:24-26


...men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth.


People will die from their heart failing them, because of fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth.


Yet Preterist's say these signs are just metaphorical symbols???


How does a metaphorical symbol cause a heart attack from fear, in a person???


Now you know why some many people consider preterism, as Heresy.



JLB

 

[random person]

24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. [Literal]
25 "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring;
26 men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of heaven will be shaken. Luke 21:24-26


...men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth.


People will die from their heart failing them, because of fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth.


Yet Preterist's say these signs are just metaphorical symbols???


How does a metaphorical symbol cause a heart attack from fear, in a person???


Now you know why some many people consider preterism, as Heresy.



JLB

Do you read passages such as 2 Samuel 22:6-17,21,25 & Psalms 18 literally too, JLB777?

 

[JLB777]

Do you read passages such as 2 Samuel 22:6-17,21,25 & Psalms 18 literally too, JLB777?

I interpret scripture as the context dictates. I don't assume that every where the sun and moon and stars are mentioned, that it's "metaphorical".

Your assuming that the signs in the sun and moon and stars, are not real, yet the context dictates otherwise.

20 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. [Literal]
21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. [Literal]
22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. [Literal]
23 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. [Literal]
24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. [Literal]

25 "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; [Literal sea and waves roaring because of the literal effect of the sun, and moon having upon the sea and the waves]


26 men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of heaven will be shaken. [Men's hearts literally failing because of the literal things happening on the earth as a result of the literal things happening with the sun and moon, and stars].


JLB

 

[random person]

I interpret scripture as the context dictates. I don't assume that every where the sun and moon and stars are mentioned, that it's "metaphorical".

Your assuming that the signs in the sun and moon and stars, are not real, yet the context dictates otherwise.

20 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. [Literal]
21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. [Literal]
22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. [Literal]
23 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. [Literal]
24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. [Literal]

25 "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; [Literal sea and waves roaring because of the literal effect of the sun, and moon having upon the sea and the waves]


26 men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of heaven will be shaken. [Men's hearts literally failing because of the literal things happening on the earth as a result of the literal things happening with the sun and moon, and stars].


JLB

And? It means there is a definition provided within the text it is transitioning between the metaphoric and the literal. Just check out Joel 2:1-12!

Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand; A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations. A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them. The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run. Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array. Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness. They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks: Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded. They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief. The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining: And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the Lord is great and very terrible; and who can abide it? Therefore also now, saith the Lord, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning:

And again, Revelation 6:12-17!

And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Do you see how these two passages transition between metaphoric and the literal? Joel even makes a couple of such transitions.

And take another look at the Revelation passage, shouldn't all life be extinct if these events literally happened, yet the kings of the earth, great men, rich men, chief captains, mighty men, bondmen, and free men are hiding in the caves for the great day of God's wrath?

 

[random person]

Graven images, idols and foreign gods are an abomination according to the Law of Moses. The Roman army always carried its ensigns wherever it went. These ensigns were military standards. The main ensign, the Aquila, was an idol of Aquila, the messenger of Jupiter that carried Jupiter’s lightning bolt to the Titans during the war between the gods and Titans. The Aquila was also a symbol of Rome itself. There was also an ensign called the Imago which was a three-dimensional image of Caesar. These ensigns were worshiped by the Roman military and thus were more than just military standards–they were also idols. Therefore, the Roman army with their idols of Jupiter, Caesar and Rome on the ensigns would have been considered an abomination according to the Law of Moses. The Roman army is called the abomination that causes desolation because this abominable army literally caused the desolation of Israel during the Jewish War.

The Imago (Image). The ensign called the Imago would have contained the image of the beast, Caesar Vespasian and/or Titus. This image of the emperor was worshiped in the Temple in A.D. 70.

"And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh." Luke 21:20

"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand ) " Matthew 24:15


According to The Wars of the Jews 2.19.4, the second time Jerusalem was surrounded by armies during the Jewish War was when Cestius encamped with the 12th Legion on Mt. Scopus to the northeast of Jerusalem in Tishri of A.D. 66. The 12th Legion was mustered out of Syria where it guarded Rome’s eastern borders against the Parthians. The 12th Legion or Legio duodecima Fulminata means armed with lightning. The military flag of the 12th Legion erected in its presence is a lightning bolt. This army drawn from the eastern borders of the Roman Empire which encamped to the northeast of Jerusalem before entering the city with its flags of lightning flying high outside of Jerusalem were another, later symbolic reminder of Matthew 24:27: “For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.”

After a brief attack on the city, Cestius withdrew from Jerusalem with the 12th Legion shortly thereafter. The next and final time in which the Roman army surrounded Jerusalem during the Jewish War was in A.D. 70 under Ceasar Titus. With the aid of the 12th Legion together with several additional legions and auxiliary cohorts, Titus besieged Jerusalem on Passover of A.D. 70. Five months later Jerusalem fell, the occupants were killed and exiled, and the city was burned.

"For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord." Matthew 23:39

During Passover, all Jews making pilgrimage to Jerusalem would be greeted from atop the walls and on the streets with shouts of "Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord".

According to The Wars of the Jews 5.2.3, the Roman legions encamped on the Mt. of Olives overlooking the city to the east before beginning their assault on the city. These legions encamped to the east of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 with their ensigns of the Aquila, the eagle messenger of Zeus that carried Zeus’ lightning bolt, raised high also fulfill Matthew 24:27: “For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.”

The flag of the 12th Legion is a lightning bolt. “For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.” Matthew 24:27


The Main Ensign, the Aquila, was the Messenger of Zeus that carried Zeus’ LIGHTNING Bolt. The Aquila was the Symbol of Rome.
It should also be noted that the symbol of Rome was the Aquila which was also the main ensign that all Roman legions carried into battle. Aquila was the messenger of Jupiter that carried Jupiter’s lightning bolt. Here one can see another way in which the the “lightning that comes from the east” symbolizes the 12th Legion and the Roman army as a whole.

The eagle, the Aquila, was a symbol of Rome. Interestingly, the word translated vulture in this verse also means eagle–the national symbol of Rome. When the Romans seized the temple in A.D. 70, they carried their ensigns into the temple courts. The main ensign was the Aquila, an eagle. And while the temple burned, they offered sacrifices to these images of the eagle Aquila and Caesar.

"And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together." Luke 17:37

"For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together." Matthew 24:28

 

[JLB777]

And? It means there is a definition provided within the text it is transitioning between the metaphoric and the literal. Just check out Joel 2:1-12!

Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand; A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations. A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them. The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run. Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array. Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness. They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks: Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded. They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief. The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining: And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the Lord is great and very terrible; and who can abide it? Therefore also now, saith the Lord, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning:

And again, Revelation 6:12-17!

And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Do you see how these two passages transition between metaphoric and the literal? Joel even makes a couple of such transitions.

And take another look at the Revelation passage, shouldn't all life be extinct if these events literally happened, yet the kings of the earth, great men, rich men, chief captains, mighty men, bondmen, and free men are hiding in the caves for the great day of God's wrath?

25 "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; [Literal sea and waves roaring because of the literal effect of the sun, and moon having upon the sea and the waves]


26 men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of heaven will be shaken. [Men's hearts literally failing because of the literal things happening on the earth as a result of the literal things happening with the sun and moon, and stars].

The literal signs in the heavens of the sun, moon and stars, that cause the seas and waves to roar will result in men's hearts to fail from fear.

Jesus is teaching here from the prophet Zechariah, about the Day of the Lord, in which he describes the "lights to diminish" and also says there will be "no light"...

Thus the Lord my God will come,
And all the saints with You.
6 It shall come to pass in that day
That there will be no light;
The lights will diminish.
Zechariah 14:5-6


Literal signs in the sun, moon and stars, that literally cause men's heart's to fail from fear.


JLB

 

[random person]

25 "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; [Literal sea and waves roaring because of the literal effect of the sun, and moon having upon the sea and the waves]


26 men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of heaven will be shaken. [Men's hearts literally failing because of the literal things happening on the earth as a result of the literal things happening with the sun and moon, and stars].

The literal signs in the heavens of the sun, moon and stars, that cause the seas and waves to roar will result in men's hearts to fail from fear.

Jesus is teaching here from the prophet Zechariah, about the Day of the Lord, in which he describes the "lights to diminish" and also says there will be "no light"...

Thus the Lord my God will come,
And all the saints with You.
6 It shall come to pass in that day
That there will be no light;
The lights will diminish.
Zechariah 14:5-6


Literal signs in the sun, moon and stars, that literally cause men's heart's to fail from fear.


JLB

These are hyperboles, JLB!

The Partial Preterist Non-Pre-Mid-Trib-Post-Trib Rapture Believers Safe House

 

[JLB777]

These are hyperboles, JLB!

The Partial Preterist Non-Pre-Mid-Trib-Post-Trib Rapture Believers Safe House

Of course there are hyperboles and parabolic language and prophetic language and mysteries...

But these types of language that are symbolic, do not cause men's hearts to fail for fear of what's coming.

The signs that Jesus told us to look for, that pointed to Him coming are literal signs, that men who twist the scriptures, must explain away so that their false doctrine, of teaching that Jesus came and the resurrection is past can be received.

17 And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort,
18 who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. 2 Timothy 2:17-18

Everyone who is His will be physically resurrected from the dead, or Raptured to be caught up with Him in the air in the clouds when He comes at the end of the age on the last Day to Gather His people together with Him where He is.

WE will physically see Him and admire Him.

6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you,
7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed. 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10


The rest will be removed and sent to the everlasting fires with the devil and his angels. Matthew 25:31-46

The parable of the wheat and tares explained -

37 He answered and said to them: "He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man.
38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one.
39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.
40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.
41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,
42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!
Matthew 13:37-43


JLB

 

[Honey Parallel]

This got my interest so I stepped in. I could be really really off here but, I thought the 1st post said debate wasn't to happen in here. That's why it is a safe house?

Fascinating read in the beginning. What's happening in the world now would put us where? According to this partial-preterist philosophy? The title of this thread is what captured my attention first. All those hyphens and I'm like, what is that actually saying? lol

Thanks for indulging someone new to all this type talk.

 

[JLB777]

This got my interest so I stepped in. I could be really really off here but, I thought the 1st post said debate wasn't to happen in here. That's why it is a safe house?

Fascinating read in the beginning. What's happening in the world now would put us where? According to this partial-preterist philosophy? The title of this thread is what captured my attention first. All those hyphens and I'm like, what is that actually saying? lol

Thanks for indulging someone new to all this type talk.

Great question and Welcome!

Preterist's believe Jesus came in 70 AD.

They believe all scripture was fulfilled by 70 AD.

What do you believe?


JLB

 

[Honey Parallel]

I believe we're waiting for the only second coming of Christ that is promised in scripture?

So, to expand on your last part there, if all scripture was fulfilled by 70 A.D. , and please synopsize what you mean by all so that I don't infer wrongly, what are we living now?
The tribulation?
Armageddon?
What?

 

[Honey Parallel]

I went searching and found this:

Question: "Is partial preterism biblical? What do partial preterists believe?"

Answer: Preterism is the eschatological view that the “end times” prophecies of the Bible have already been fulfilled. So, when we read what the Bible says about the tribulation, we are reading history. Preterism is divided into two camps: full (or consistent) preterism and partial preterism. Full preterism takes an extreme view that all prophecy in the Bible has been fulfilled in one way or another. Partial preterists take a more moderate approach, and many partial preterists consider full preterists to be guilty of heresy

Those who hold to partial preterism believe that the prophecies in Daniel, Matthew 24, and Revelation (with the exception of the last two or three chapters) have already been fulfilled and were fulfilled no later than the first century AD. According to partial preterism, there is no rapture, and passages describing the tribulation and the Antichrist are actually referring to the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 and the Roman emperor Titus. Partial preterists do believe in the return of Christ to earth and a future resurrection and judgment, but they do not teach a millennial kingdom or that Israel as a nation has a place in God’s future plan. According to partial preterists, the Bible’s references to “the last days” are speaking of the last days of the Old Jewish Covenant, not the last days of the earth itself.
......GOT QUESTIONS

 

[JLB777]

I went searching and found this:

Question: "Is partial preterism biblical? What do partial preterists believe?"

Answer: Preterism is the eschatological view that the “end times” prophecies of the Bible have already been fulfilled. So, when we read what the Bible says about the tribulation, we are reading history. Preterism is divided into two camps: full (or consistent) preterism and partial preterism. Full preterism takes an extreme view that all prophecy in the Bible has been fulfilled in one way or another. Partial preterists take a more moderate approach, and many partial preterists consider full preterists to be guilty of heresy

Those who hold to partial preterism believe that the prophecies in Daniel, Matthew 24, and Revelation (with the exception of the last two or three chapters) have already been fulfilled and were fulfilled no later than the first century AD. According to partial preterism, there is no rapture, and passages describing the tribulation and the Antichrist are actually referring to the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 and the Roman emperor Titus. Partial preterists do believe in the return of Christ to earth and a future resurrection and judgment, but they do not teach a millennial kingdom or that Israel as a nation has a place in God’s future plan. According to partial preterists, the Bible’s references to “the last days” are speaking of the last days of the Old Jewish Covenant, not the last days of the earth itself.
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Remember the simple truth as you study.

Full Preterism is Heresy.

Partial Preterism is partial Heresy.


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I believe we're waiting for the only second coming of Christ that is promised in scripture?

so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. Hebrews 9:28


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