The Palestinian-Jewish issue in a nutsell

[Zeek]

Mass genocide is a very good description of what the IDF is donig in Gaza. What else could it be called given the hundreds of children and their parents who have been killed already and the multiple of this number who are maimed for life, losing limbs, sight and whole souled innocence that every child is entitled to have...

I have already exposed your shrill cries of mass murder and genocide and the attempt to make out that all the people killed in Gaza are civilians, or your attempt to make Israelis sound like indiscriminate child-killers whose sole purpose is to target the young and defenceless.

This is a dirty horrible conflict that Israel did not want, but if they had not engaged Hamas they would never have discovered the huge tunnel that was built in order to potentially kill thousands of innocent Israeli citizens, and who knows what other tunnels still lie undiscovered.

The Israeli government have to protect their nation, they have a duty to their citizens and that means they try and take out the rockets and the tunnels in the most effective ways possible and yet they still try to minimize civilian casualties....you don't have a single pilot abort 17 missions in a day because civilians have been spotted if you don't care...Israelis do care, but they are forced into this terrible position.

 

[Kurama]

I have already exposed your shrill cries of mass murder and genocide and the attempt to make out that all the people killed in Gaza are civilians, or your attempt to make Israelis sound like indescriminate child-killers whose sole purpose is to target the young and defenceless.

If the Israelis had truly wanted to wipe out the Palestinian people in Gaza, the casualty rate would be in the tens of thousands by now.

Those who scream "genocide" all the time should look at Gaza's demographics and note that the population has increased steadily in recent times (now over 1 million), not least because Hamas bans most Palestinians from moving to (relatively) less repressive areas (i.e. Egypt).

 

[Kurama]

Israel knows that it must win ever battle it fights, lest it get destroyed. The Jewish people are no strangers to the dangers of not taking preemptive action. The Israelis ignored reports if Arab armies amassing on Israel's borders in 1973. A month later, the Israelis were almost pushed to the sea by the armies of Syria and Egypt [Yom Kippur War].

As Benjamin Netanyahu said, "If the Arabs laid down their weapons, there would be peace. If the Israelis laid down there weapons, there would be no Israel."

 

[S.ilvio]

I have already exposed your shrill cries of mass murder and genocide and the attempt to make out that all the people killed in Gaza are civilians, or your attempt to make Israelis sound like indescriminate child-killers whose sole purpose is to target the young and defenceless.

This is a dirty horrible conflict that Israel did not want, but if they had not engaged Hamas they would never have discovered the huge tunnel that was built in order to potentially kill thousands of innocent Israeli citizens, and who knows what other tunnels still lie undiscovered.

The Israeli government have to protect their nation, they have a duty to their citizens and that means they try and take out the rockets and the tunnels in the most effective ways possible and yet they still try to minimize civilian casualties....you don't have a single pilot abort 17 missions in a day because civilians have been spotted if you don't care...Israelis do care, but they are forced into this terrible position.

Crocadile tears from the likes of Nethanyahu or his hangers on about one civilian killed being a tragedy just doesn't wash when Israeli payloads continue to rain, relentlessly, on civilian targets in Gasa...

 

[AMDG]

Crocadile tears from the likes of Nethanyahu or his hangers on about one civilian killed being a tragedy just doesn't wash when Israeli payloads continue to rain, relentlessly, on civilian targets in Gasa...

Then why on earth doesn't Hamas stop? Stop hiding behind women and children (so they will purposely be killed when Israel destroys the tunnels.) Stop lobbing rockets into Israeli communities. (The rockets must be expensive-- sure Iran doesn't give them for free--so the humanitarian money could go to the PEOPLE instead of Hamas so the PEOPLE could build up Gaza like Tel Aviv is.) Why doesn't Hamas just fill in the terror tunnels and then live in peace.

Hamas is the aggressor. If they actually CARED, they would have stopped the aggression already.

 

[S.ilvio]

Then why on earth doesn't Hamas stop? Stop hiding behind women and children (so they will purposely be killed when Israel destroys the tunnels.) Stop lobbing rockets into Israeli communities. (The rockets must be expensive-- sure Iran doesn't give them for free--so the humanitarian money could go to the PEOPLE instead of Hamas so the PEOPLE could build up Gaza like Tel Aviv is.) Why doesn't Hamas just fill in the terror tunnels and then live in peace.

Hamas is the aggressor. If they actually CARED, they would have stopped the aggression already.

Words fail me sometimes. What tunnels were near the UN compounds and schools that were direct hits by the shameful IDF, killing women and children indescriminately..?

Not only schools. What about the homes, apartment blocks etc where families live in constant fear of Zionist brutality?

When will the stooges for Nethanyahu see the light..?

 

[AMDG]

Yet AGAIN rockets have been found hidden in Gaza hospitals. And the other day one Gaza rocket Hamas aimed at Israeli civilians fell short and hit their own hospital--killing some children. Hama's reaction? To say that there WILL BE no ceasefire.

And those 60 some odd terror tunnels (some over a mile long) that Hamas had built UNDER the border into Israel? Why, that was built with the steel and cement that the UN had sent to build schools and hospitals. One of the tunnels went to an Israeli kindergarten and Hamas had already had the uniforms and plans to use those tunnels to kidnap as many Israeli citizens that it could.

BTW Israel AGAIN is dropping leaflets telling the people that there will be another run to destroy the tunnels so they should vacate the area. Of course, like the last few times, Hamas tells the people not to vacate the area--it wants as many civilians killed as possible, according to the son of one of the founders of Hamas.

 

[S.ilvio]

Tell me AM.

What are people to do when they do vacate their homes (as an aside, why should they be driven from their homes by a so called civilised nation like Israel in the first place) and go to designated UN compounds. Compounds whose co-ordinates are given to the IDF by the UN already, yet are still targets for direct hits by these noble Zionist heroes.

Defending the indefensible is a tough job for you but you're doing the war criminals in Jerusalem proud...

 

[AMDG]

Hmmm--if I was told to evacuate because of a gas leak, a flood, a hurricane, a wild fire, a "red zone" surrounding an active volcano (a possibility since I do live near a presently dormant volcano which COULD spring to life) in order to save my life and that of my family, I would. Of course that would be about a natural disaster. The object would be saving life. But it's the same thing with Israel's warning people to evacuate the area that will be shelled--the object is saving life.

Think people at Pearl Harbor in 1942 were given advance warning? Think the Allies were given the same (or a bunch of humanitarian ceasefires) in WWII? In fact, the ONLY time leaflets were dropped warning folks about eminent shelling (so they could hopefully avoid the same) has been from civilized countries such as Israel.

When Israel gave up the Gaza strip, the strip was supposed to be demilitarized. It was NOT supposed to be used to lob rockets (rockets that Hamas has to buy from Iran since Hamas doesn't produce them) at Israel or to hide weapons. You know, since folks want the hostilities to stop, one would think that either there would be pressure put on Hamas to stop the shelling, using the citizens as "human shields" and to fill in those "terror tunnels" OR simply allow Israel to destroy the tunnels and demilitarize the strip so there could be peace.

 

[brewmama]

Hmmm--if I was told to evacuate because of a gas leak, a flood, a hurricane, a wild fire, a "red zone" surrounding an active volcano (a possibility since I do live near a presently dormant volcano which COULD spring to life) in order to save my life and that of my family, I would. Of course that would be about a natural disaster. The object would be saving life. But it's the same thing with Israel's warning people to evacuate the area that will be shelled--the object is saving life.

Think people at Pearl Harbor in 1942 were given advance warning? Think the Allies were given the same (or a bunch of humanitarian ceasefires) in WWII? In fact, the ONLY time leaflets were dropped warning folks about eminent shelling (so they could hopefully avoid the same) has been from civilized countries such as Israel.

When Israel gave up the Gaza strip, the strip was supposed to be demilitarized. It was NOT supposed to be used to lob rockets (rockets that Hamas has to buy from Iran since Hamas doesn't produce them) at Israel or to hide weapons. You know, since folks want the hostilities to stop, one would think that either there would be pressure put on Hamas to stop the shelling, using the citizens as "human shields" and to fill in those "terror tunnels" OR simply allow Israel to destroy the tunnels and demilitarize the strip so there could be peace.

One would think. But, of course, that requires thinking.

 

[S.ilvio]

Hmmm--if I was told to evacuate because of a gas leak, a flood, a hurricane, a wild fire, a "red zone" surrounding an active volcano (a possibility since I do live near a presently dormant volcano which COULD spring to life) in order to save my life and that of my family, I would. Of course that would be about a natural disaster. The object would be saving life. But it's the same thing with Israel's warning people to evacuate the area that will be shelled--the object is saving life.

Here's a revolutionary thought for you.

How about the IDF does the humane, decent thing and not deliver payloads of death on civillian targets in the first place..?

But its already too late for those in leadership roles. They have committed war crimes as have the military personnel who fired these missiles.

I look forward to Nethanyahu in the Dock in the Hague. If its good enough for Radko Mladic, its good enough for Bibi...

 

[brewmama]

Here's a revolutionary thought for you.

How about the IDF does the humane, decent thing and not deliver payloads of death on civillian targets in the first place..?

But its already too late for those in leadership roles. They have committed war crimes as have the military personnel who fired these missiles.

I look forward to Nethanyahu in the Dock in the Hague. If its good enough for Radko Mladic, its good enough for Bibi...

Wrong again, as usual. You better check up on the real definitions of war crimes. EG:

"Israel targets civilian structures: A civilian structure loses its protected status when it is used for military purposes. A home that serves as a Hamas command post or hides a tunnel entrance is by definition not a civilian structure any longer. Israel targets such buildings, but does not target structures that are not used for military purposes. A church or a mosque that houses a sniper loses its protected status under the laws of war."

 

[S.ilvio]

And we have Mossad's word on every one of the countless civillian targets being legitimate?

You should have said. Nothing to see here folks.

Palestinian children should know better anyway. Especially Orthodox Christian Palestinian children, right..?

 

[MikeK]

Think people at Pearl Harbor in 1942 were given advance warning? Think the Allies were given the same (or a bunch of humanitarian ceasefires) in WWII? In fact, the ONLY time leaflets were dropped warning folks about eminent shelling (so they could hopefully avoid the same) has been from civilized countries such as Israel.

1942? So much for living in infamy.

 

[AMDG]

Hamas is the aggressor. Hamas has broken every humanitarian ceasefire. Israel is NOT the aggressor. (It is more than capable of defending itself though.)

Hamas is the one that needs to stop and lay down their arms. The people of Gaza would want it--I'm pretty sure they are tired of being used as human shields and killed because of Hamas' hate.

 

[CaDan]

"The Myth of Redemptive Violence" by Walter Wink is recommended reading on this issue.

 

[S.ilvio]

Hamas is the aggressor. Hamas has broken every humanitarian ceasefire. Israel is NOT the aggressor. (It is more than capable of defending itself though.)

Hamas is the one that needs to stop and lay down their arms. The people of Gaza would want it--I'm pretty sure they are tired of being used as human shields and killed because of Hamas' hate.

Israel always has the choice to do the right thing and not massacre woman and children. Always...

 

[CaDan]

Hamas is the aggressor. Hamas has broken every humanitarian ceasefire. Israel is NOT the aggressor. (It is more than capable of defending itself though.)

When does the disproportionality become so great even you are shocked? It's at 20:1 now.

 

[CaDan]

Remember folks. The rule is "civilized" countries can kill the residents of other counties at a proportion of 20:1 and its A-OK!

Does Pope Francis know about this rule?

 

[AMDG]

I hope some folks are not saying that it's okay to slit the throats of families including a 3 month old baby (or the three boys simply trying to make it home from seminary) then celebrate the event in their community; target school buses; stab and beat Israeli soldiers and throw them overboard if at sea or drag them through the streets if on land; use the Arab women, children, and the elderly as human shields (and even when a Hamas rocket kills them, Hamas blames Israel for the deed); target Israeli civilian communities with thousands of rockets day and night for years--the nuclear reactor was even targeted (imagine the carnage of both Jew and Arab if the Iron Dome didn't work but the rocket Hamas got from Iran did); daily send suicide bombers into Israel (until the fence was built to keep terrorists out) so Hamas used the steel and cement the UN sent for schools to build the "terror tunnels", one ending at an Israeli kindergarten. And I hope that no one thinks it okay to funnel the $400,000,000 from the U.S. (even though it's against the law to fund a terrorist group) AWAY from the people into the coffers of Hamas (so they can buy more rockets from Iran.)

Hamas is a terrorist organization. They don't care about life--Jews or Arabs. They simply want Israel destroyed. What part of that is not understood?