The Palestinian-Jewish issue in a nutsell

[CaDan]

I hope some folks are not saying that it's okay to slit the throats of families including a 3 month old baby (or the three boys simply trying to make it home from seminary) then celebrate the event in their community; target school buses; stab and beat Israeli soldiers and throw them overboard if at sea or drag them through the streets if on land; use the Arab women, children, and the elderly as human shields (and even when a Hamas rocket kills them, Hamas blames Israel for the deed); target Israeli civilian communities with thousands of rockets day and night for years--the nuclear reactor was even targeted (imagine the carnage of both Jew and Arab if the Iron Dome didn't work but the rocket Hamas got from Iran did); daily send suicide bombers into Israel (until the fence was built to keep terrorists out) so Hamas used the steel and cement the UN sent for schools to build the "terror tunnels", one ending at an Israeli kindergarten. And I hope that no one thinks it okay to funnel the $400,000,000 from the U.S. (even though it's against the law to fund a terrorist group) AWAY from the people into the coffers of Hamas (so they can buy more rockets from Iran.)

Hamas is a terrorist organization. They don't care about life--Jews or Arabs. They simply want Israel destroyed. What part of that is not understood?

Twenty to one.

 

[S.ilvio]

Remember folks. The rule is "civilized" countries can kill the residents of other counties at a proportion of 20:1 and its A-OK!

Does Pope Francis know about this rule?

Zionist Catholics know better than Pope Francis. Didn't you get the memo..?

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

"The Myth of Redemptive Violence" by Walter Wink is recommended reading on this issue.

Redemption has nothing to do with it. The inherent right to defend one's family and home is a strong emotion. Especially for a people who's national motto is "never again" The Jewish people have been down this road before.


We can have a discussion regarding collateral damage i.e. slaughter of civilians.

Collateral damage although wrong and reprehensible, does not necessarily have the act of killing innocents as a premeditated plan.

Terrorism does. At least in the case of most Islamic terror groups.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

Zionist Catholics know better than Pope Francis. Didn't you get the memo..?

There you go again with the "Zionist" dog whistle. I am sure some are titillated by it.

 

[CaDan]

Collateral damage although wrong and reprehensible, does not necessarily have the act of killing innocents as a premeditated plan.

Terrorism does. At least in the case of most Islamic terror groups.

If the goal of the IDF is to make Palestinians dislike Hamas because of the terror they are experiencing--the deaths, the mutilations, the destruction of homes and property--does it not follow then that the IDF is also engaged in terrorism?

Further, in the end, is not all war really aimed at creating terror?

 

[CaDan]

Redemption has nothing to do with it. The inherent right to defend one's family and home is a strong emotion. Especially for a people who's national motto is "never again" The Jewish people have been down this road before.

Conflating the State with one's family or home has been the cause of much evil.

 

[AMDG]

Twenty to one.

Hamas is a Terrorist Organization. And Hamas is the one doing the shelling and refusing ceasefires. Hamas doesn't care about either the Jews or the Arabs. It simply wants the Jews destroyed (and it doesn't care how that is done) and it simply uses the people in Gaza to achieve it's goal.

Hamas has done a quite a job in causing Israel emotional harm in FORCING it to harm others while it simply seeks to protect itself. The job of any terrorist.

If one wants peace, it would do well for him to put pressure on Hamas to stop using women, children, and elderly as human shields so they can cause harm to Israel. Get them to STOP shelling Israel and to fill in the "terror tunnels." Problem is then solved. No more hostilities. There is peace. Isn't that what is wanted?

 

[S.ilvio]

Zionist terror strikes again. This time targetti.g children as they slept. Israel's finest show how brutally eefficient they are in abusing children. God's Chosen People? Wow.

 

[Zeek]

Zionist terror strikes again. This time targetti.g children as they slept. Israel's finest show how brutally eefficient they are in abusing children. God's Chosen People? Wow.

Israel do not deliberately target children...they are not child abusers....

Hamas with their indoctrination program of building hate into young children against Jews...these are the abusers.
Terror TV for Tots: Hamas show has child vowing to "Shoot the Jews"

Also there is an investigation into the alledged use of children in digging the terror tunnels and 160 are believed to have died...that's abuse.
Jewish Group Calls on UN Human Rights Council to Investigate Hamas Responsibility for 160 Gazan Children Who Died Building Terror Tunnels | Jewish & Israel News Algemeiner.com

You also manage to take a swipe at G-ds declaration in choosing the Jewish people ...this really shows that you are not only 100% committed to demonizing Israel/Zionists/Jews, but are ultimately laden with a full measure of godless unbelief that can't help spilling out from time to time.

Deuteronomy 14:2
"For you are a holy people to the LORD your God, and the LORD has chosen you to be a people for His own possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth.




A fool does not delight in understanding,
But only in revealing his own mind.

 

[AMDG]

Hamas does target children. Even it's own. They are really good at it. Have moving rocket launchers that they move in FRONT of where the women and children hide. Then they lob a rocket into Israel. If Israel strikes back, and those in hiding are injured, Hamas cries crocodile tears "see what the Israeli's have done". Then they move their rocket launcher in front of the next human shield. This is according to one of the "human shields" who lived to tell the tale. There is video of them doing it! And there are some that don't consider that isn't terror?

Heck they even lob rockets at their own people and then blame the Israelis. Hamas have become experts at manipulating people's emotions. Of course that's what terrorists do.

Want the hostilities to end? Want peace? Want to save the lives of women and children (both Arab and Israeli)? Put pressure on Hamas to stop the bombing. Get Hamas to stop using its people as human shields. Have Hamas fill in those "terror tunnels". Problem is then solved. Peace reigns. Don't do that and peace will not reign until Gaza is demilitarized like it was supposed to be and Israel destroys the terror tunnels. Don't forget who started the hostilities and who has broken every one of the five ceasefires. Hint: it's not the Israelis.

 

[LoAmmi]

Zionist terror strikes again. This time targetti.g children as they slept. Israel's finest show how brutally eefficient they are in abusing children. God's Chosen People? Wow.

But I thought, as you've said many times, it isn't Jews you don't like, it's Israel. So what's with the last part condemning all Jews, hm? I have had zero part in Israel's policy and have no say in what it does.

 

[S.ilvio]

But I thought, as you've said many times, it isn't Jews you don't like, it's Israel. So what's with the last part condemning all Jews, hm? I have had zero part in Israel's policy and have no say in what it does.

I'm highlighting the sad irony of people here who trip themselves up to defend the criminal abuse of children by the Zionist military machine because of some blind observance to them being God's chosen and becuase of that are given a pass on the countless atrocities they continue to carry out.

Israel has traded on this title and made billions of dollars on it from the naive American Taxpayer for decades now.

Shame on them and shame on Christian America for being so gullable...

 

[AMDG]

"naïve American taxpayer" Huh? What does one call the fact that the Obama administration is giving Hamas 400 MILLION in aid (even though that U.S. law states that NO aid is to go terrorist organizations)? Hamas is a U.N. recognized terrorist organization.

 

[S.ilvio]

"naïve American taxpayer" Huh? What does one call the fact that the Obama administration is giving Hamas 400 MILLION in aid (even though that U.S. law states that NO aid is to go terrorist organizations)? Hamas is a U.N. recognized terrorist organization.

I am happy to have given financial aid to the People of Gaza who live in a Concentration Camp conditions...

 

[LoAmmi]

What's with the dots after all your posts? Makes it seem like you're trailing off all the time and never finish a complete thought.

 

[S.ilvio]

What's with the dots after all your posts? Makes it seem like you're trailing off all the time and never finish a complete thought.

My posts have ever been thus. I do hope it doesn't cause you too much upset...

 

[LoAmmi]

My posts have ever been thus. I do hope it doesn't cause you too much upset...

Not upset. Just every time I read it I'm picturing someone trailing off as they speak and looking around nervously. It's just weird, is all.

 

[S.ilvio]

Weird isn't always bad. I'll take weird...

 

[AMDG]

Don't know how many were able to see the interview of Brigette Gabriel (born Nora Saman in Lebanon) and outspoken critic of radical -Islam and founder of American Congress for Truth where she again told of her experiences of being a human shield as a child under Hamas and accused Hamas of a PR war against Israel--one in which they purposely want as much bloodshed as possible so the world will turn against Israel. (She explained that Hamas knows that it cannot win militarily and that isn't their object.)

I figure that most are like me, not Fox News watchers. I only saw this interview when changing channels, but since it just might bring some balance to issue, I thought I'd share:

Woman Used As Human Shield in ‘70s: ‘Palestinians Have Perfected Propaganda War’ | Fox News Insider

Looked up her name on Wikipedia and her bio there seems to mesh with the interview. There she explains that the Israeli's selflessly treated the injuries that Hamas had inflicted.

 

[S.ilvio]

Hamas use human shields. I got that.

Here's one for you, how many members of the American Congress are not signed up to the AIPAC..?