The Palestinian-Jewish issue in a nutsell

[LoAmmi]

Are you seriously telling us that because a family home or a school is fair game with women and children occupying said buildings because their are weapons in the cellar? Seriously...???

Are you seriously saying all terrorists have to do is hide weapons among civilians and nobody can ever do anything about it? Seriously...???

 

[S.ilvio]

Are you seriously saying all terrorists have to do is hide weapons among civilians and nobody can ever do anything about it? Seriously...???

No denial then? Those civillians are fair game for an IDF missile..?

 

[LoAmmi]

No denial then? Those civillians are fair game for an IDF missile..?

It is sad when that is what must be done to destroy weapons that terrorists have hid among the civilians.

 

[AvilaSurfer]

Hamas is the problem. Let's clear the dust and remember that. The solution is Hamas.....stop.....shelling......Israel....

 

[S.ilvio]

It is sad when that is what must be done to destroy weapons that terrorists have hid among the civilians.

You come across like a sensible chap in most threads. A voice of common sense. Yet here all that goes out the window. Lives of women and children are expendable. You do realise this mindset will guarantee continued Haams attacks for decades to come. You do know this, right..?

 

[AvilaSurfer]

You come across like a sensible chap in most threads. A voice of common sense. Yet here all that goes out the window. Lives of women and children are expendable. You do realise this mindset will guarantee continued Haams attacks for decades to come. You do know this, right..?

You know what? Your hypocrisy is glaring. LoAmmi is a liberal and agrees with you 99% of the time. Now, just because he doesn't agree with you, suddenly all of his common sense goes out the window. It's pretty pathetic that a person can't have a different opinion without you telling him what an idiot he is.

 

[LoAmmi]

You come across like a sensible chap in most threads. A voice of common sense. Yet here all that goes out the window. Lives of women and children are expendable. You do realise this mindset will guarantee continued Haams attacks for decades to come. You do know this, right..?

I never said they were expedable. The problem is if you show that the terrorists can get away with storing weapons with civilians and you do nothing, ALL their weapons will be stored with civilians and ALL their attacks will come for where the most civilians are. It isn't what I would want but I understand the need not to allow an enemy such a tactical advantage. Israel does alert civilians that they are striking the area and gives them time to leave.

 

[MikeK]

Is it being seriously suggested that it's okay to hide behind women and children and hide weapons in schools or hospitals? Wow.

No, nobody suggested that and it is dishonest of you to imply such. It is absolutely wrong to hide weapons in schools or hospitals, just as it is wrong of Israel to conduct raids with heavy explosives that is knows will kill in ice to women and children.

 

[MikeK]

I never said they were expedable. The problem is if you show that the terrorists can get away with storing weapons with civilians and you do nothing, ALL their weapons will be stored with civilians and ALL their attacks will come for where the most civilians are. It isn't what I would want but I understand the need not to allow an enemy such a tactical advantage. Israel does alert civilians that they are striking the area and gives them time to leave.

Doing nothing is not a viable option for Israel. Neither is killing innocent people. Every innocent Palestinian is precisely as valuable as a member of the IDF or Israeli civilian. I believe that Israel could pursue these terrorists effectively using methods that result in less overall deaths, but risking marginally more IDF lives. "Better them than us" is not an acceptable mantra, "Let's respect and protect every life possible" is. Again, proportionality is a key requirement in a just war, and no Catholic may support an unjust war. Some do, but the cafeteria is a big place.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

Brilliant video on the Middle east conflict


https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152299543033717

 

[seekingfreedom]

Just curious. Why is the defense of Israel more important than the defense of the Paelstinians?

 

[AvilaSurfer]

Just curious. Why is the defense of Israel more important than the defense of the Paelstinians?

You need to look up the definition of "defense."

 

[LoAmmi]

Doing nothing is not a viable option for Israel. Neither is killing innocent people. Every innocent Palestinian is precisely as valuable as a member of the IDF or Israeli civilian. I believe that Israel could pursue these terrorists effectively using methods that result in less overall deaths, but risking marginally more IDF lives. "Better them than us" is not an acceptable mantra, "Let's respect and protect every life possible" is. Again, proportionality is a key requirement in a just war, and no Catholic may support an unjust war. Some do, but the cafeteria is a big place.

Do you believe that Israel does inform civilians when a strike is coming and give them a chance to leave? Isn't that taking steps to protect life? If they don't leave what do you do? Shrug your shoulders?

 

[seekingfreedom]

You need to look up the definition of "defense."

Why don't you tell me why Israel and Israeli lives are more important than the lives of the Palestinian people. I know there are some folks who believe that the answer is just to blow them off the face of the earth and we should be thankful that the Israeli government is showing such restraint.

 

[AvilaSurfer]

Why don't you tell me why Israel and Israeli lives are more important than the lives of the Palestinian people. I know there are some folks who believe that the answer is just to blow them off the face of the earth and we should be thankful that the Israeli government is showing such restraint.

1. I never said anything about who's lives are more important. Stop misquoting me.
2. Still haven't looked up that definition huh?

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

All You Need to Know about the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict » Eagle Rising

The youtube from Praeger University is well worth the watch. It notes that the reason for the conflict is quite simple--one side wants the other dead. It is not now, and has never been, about peace. The Israelis have given up land and have repeatedly offered peace, but have repeatedly been attacked instead.

Yikes, I just double posted that vid. The video is clear and concise.

I loved when he asked the question: If Israel laid down her arms and chose fight no longer. How would the Arab states react?

We alll now it would be slaughter.

On the other hand, what would Israel do , if the Arab states laid doen their arms. Nothing would happen.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

Why do you blame Israel for having superior forces, and for Palestinians for hiding behind women and children, like so many terrorists do? If they would just stop, then Israel would stop.

Thanks for stating the obvious and I mean that in a good way. Simple facts sometimes go over the heads of the uninformed.

 

[seekingfreedom]

1. I never said anything about who's lives are more important. Stop misquoting me.
2. Still haven't looked up that definition huh?

Did I quote you in that context?

 

[MikeK]

Do you believe that Israel does inform civilians when a strike is coming and give them a chance to leave? Isn't that taking steps to protect life? If they don't leave what do you do? Shrug your shoulders?

I believe they do sometimes. I don't believe that the Palestinian children playing soccer on the beach the other day were aware that they were about to be murdered in a most brutal way. Even if they were warned, where would they go? This is their home. They have a right to their home. If Israel wishes to arrest or kill Palestinian aggressors (and they have every right to), let them go in and get them. There is no excuse for artillery and air strikes when targeting individuals. The Israelis have some of the best paramilitary forces in the world, let them go after the bad individuals, not target city blocks.

 

[MikeK]

You need to look up the definition of "defense."

Defense is what Iron Dome does to incoming rockets. Defense is not killing women and children who happen to exist in close proximity to an aggressor.