The Palestinian-Jewish issue in a nutsell

[AvilaSurfer]

You are now believing and spreading lies. I have worked in the nuclear power industry and I am familiar with the rockets Hamas has been using. They are not capable of breaching a reactor containment building/vessal.

Iron Dome is a wonderful bit of kit that allows Israel to succesfully warrant rocket strikes impotent, removing the need to immediately launch strikes at attackers who are entrenched among civilians. If only they'd be pro-life and follow through, we'd have some good guys to root for.

And I guess we can believe that or not, since there's no way to verify.

 

[MikeK]

And I guess we can believe that or not, since there's no way to verify.

Which part? If you'd like to be educated, there is public information available on the makeup of power station containment structures and yields of the rockets Hamas uses. This is public stuff. You can elect to know or you can elect to remain ignorant on this subject.

 

[LoAmmi]

So is the suggestion for Israel to sit there and do nothing so long as the rockets aren't effective? I know you said before to go in and arrest those responsible but are you now objecting to the ground offensive?

 

[MikeK]

So is the suggestion for Israel to sit there and do nothing so long as the rockets aren't effective? I know you said before to go in and arrest those responsible but are you now objecting to the ground offensive?

Israel is in a good position. She can effectively defend herself from rocket attacks without hurting anyone, while gathering intelligence identifying those that attack her.

I am objecting to killing people that do not need to be killed. I would object to occupation of any territory larger than an individual building or two by Israeli forces, but I do not object to them crossing into Palestinian territory to arrest or kill known terrorists in known locations.

 

[LoAmmi]

Israel is in a good position. She can effectively defend herself from rocket attacks without hurting anyone, while gathering intelligence identifying those that attack her.

Well, I wouldn't sit by relying 100% on technology until I could be absolutely certain that some rocket was fired from some specific location hours ago and hope people haven't just walked away from that location in the meantime. That seems like you're just waiting for the technology to fail and have your civilians be hurt. If it's a choice between my civilians and their civilians then I'm sorry, it's theirs.

Do you suppose sending forces in to arrest people isn't going to end up in a firefight with innocents killed? Of course, I would imagine Israel would still be blamed. They are not in a good position. They are in a position of no-win from too many people. I suppose if they sat back and did nothing that'd appease people, but I wouldn't make that decision if I were in charge. You cannot allow people free access to fire rockets just because they decide to put them in civilian areas. The blame has to at least be shared between the two sides.

 

[S.ilvio]

So is the suggestion for Israel to sit there and do nothing so long as the rockets aren't effective? I know you said before to go in and arrest those responsible but are you now objecting to the ground offensive?

Well going in and hitting civilian targets is really doing a lot of good (note the ironic tone)...

 

[S.ilvio]

If it's a choice between my civilians and their civilians then I'm sorry, it's theirs.

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Wow. Is this the mentality of the Zionist military machine..?

 

[LoAmmi]

Wow. Is this the mentality of the Zionist military machine..?

Sorry, don't buy it. Ireland would do the same as would any other country. A country must protect its civilians and if the other side is using theirs as a shield you cannot simply do nothing for fear of collateral damage. They will continue to use their civilians as a shield until you're destroyed from lack of action.

 

[Imperiuz]

It's interesting to notice how Israel, in it's continuing role as the Good Samaritan of the region, gave up it's Gaza in 2005 as a sacrifice for the sake of peace. As they reward, they got Hamas and continuous rocket attacks for a decade now.

It's shameful how the media are whining about Israel's defence against terrorism while ISIS are committing an actual, real genocide against the Christians in Iraq. But of course, only Muslims can be victims.

 

[AvilaSurfer]

Well going in and hitting civilian targets is really doing a lot of good (note the ironic tone)...

Yeah cuz none of those "civilian targets" have weapons or rockets or terrorists (note the sarcastic tone).

 

[S.ilvio]

Sorry, don't buy it. Ireland would do the same as would any other country. A country must protect its civilians and if the other side is using theirs as a shield you cannot simply do nothing for fear of collateral damage. They will continue to use their civilians as a shield until you're destroyed from lack of action.

Hang on a minute. there are always choices. Choices to do the right thing or not.

When the IRA was bombing the UK in the 1970's, killing many civillians, did the British Army go into Belfast and attack indescriminatley, civillian suburbs where known IRA volunteers lived? No. They chose not to.

Giving us weasel words from the IDF Press Office. They just don't wash with the civilised world...

 

[S.ilvio]

Yeah cuz none of those "civilian targets" have weapons or rockets or terrorists (note the sarcastic tone).

Justifying sickening mass murder of Palestinian women and children. I am speechless...

 

[LoAmmi]

Hang on a minute. there are always choices. Choices to do the right thing or not.

When the IRA was bombing the UK in the 1970's, killing many civillians, did the British Army go into Belfast and attack indescriminatley, civillian suburbs where known IRA volunteers lived? No. They chose not to.

Giving us weasel words from the IDF Press Office. They just don't wash with the civilised world...

Did the IRA deliberately hide among the civilian population and actively tell them to stay where they were when the British Army warned them that they were going to hit that area with strikes?

I'm not sure what Israel should do with the rocket fire. I know it can't be sit around and do nothing because that doesn't work.


Here, what should Israel do in your eyes? If your answer is get pushed into the sea, just say that.

 

[mark46]

Hamas has fired over 2000 missiles at civilian targets in Israel. In addition, they have built tunnel with which to attack Israel. The rockets in Gaza are fired from mosques, apartment houses and hospitals. Leaders are almost always in homes with lots of civilians and children.

So, because the damage to Israel has been relatively light so far, Israel should do nothing but have commando raids to arrest Hamas leaders?
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What if Cuba or another country were attacking the entire East and Midwest with missiles for a month, do you think that we would do nothing, as long as we had few dead? Really?
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Israel uses a missile defense system to defend their civilians.

Hamas uses civilians to defend their missiles and rocket launchers.
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Curiously, the US has decided to give Hamas a huge victory by stopping flights to Tel Aviv.

Israel is in a good position. She can effectively defend herself from rocket attacks without hurting anyone, while gathering intelligence identifying those that attack her.

I am objecting to killing people that do not need to be killed. I would object to occupation of any territory larger than an individual building or two by Israeli forces, but I do not object to them crossing into Palestinian territory to arrest or kill known terrorists in known locations.

 

[S.ilvio]

Did the IRA deliberately hide among the civilian population and actively tell them to stay where they were when the British Army warned them that they were going to hit that area with strikes?

I'm not sure what Israel should do with the rocket fire. I know it can't be sit around and do nothing because that doesn't work.


Here, what should Israel do in your eyes? If your answer is get pushed into the sea, just say that.

IRA volunteers and their supporters lived hand in glove with their communities, who broadly supported their actions.

Isreal continues to massacre civilians in their shooing fish in a barrel fetish.

How successful has that been then?

Thousand or rockets fired by Hamas would suggest its kind of a failed option. But they just can't help themselves. Blood letting of Palestinian women and children has become a national passtime, bank rolled by the US taxpayer.

There are no easy answers but removing all illegal settlements and ending the Concentration Camp conditions in Gaza would be the right thing to do. It may not abate the Hamas attacks but it would make them a more difficult sell to Palsetinian People.

So maybe doing the right thing might begin to change mindsets in Palestine.

One sure thing for you. Continue to bomb schools, hospitals and homes, killing countless women and children sure as heck will only end one way. Continued attackes by Hamas. Nailed on...

 

[AvilaSurfer]

Justifying sickening mass murder of Palestinian women and children. I am speechless...

If only.....

 

[LoAmmi]

So what your saying is that all Hamas has to do is continue to hide weapons in schools and the like and you'll always be in their side.

 

[S.ilvio]

So what your saying is that all Hamas has to do is continue to hide weapons in schools and the like and you'll always be in their side.

Are you seriously telling us that because a family home or a school is fair game with women and children occupying said buildings because their are weapons in the cellar? Seriously...???

 

[AMDG]

Is it being seriously suggested that it's okay to hide behind women and children and hide weapons in schools or hospitals? Wow.

 

[S.ilvio]

Is it being seriously suggested that it's okay to hide behind women and children and hide weapons in schools or hospitals? Wow.

No. Next..?