The origins of atheism

[HitchSlap]

It wouldn't seem like he has much need for a god then...

Who would if they can create reality from mere belief?

Oh, and a whole bunch of "other people believe this too," thrown in for good measure.

......like, what makes a flourless cake flourless?

Actually, it's like, what makes a godless cake godless.

 

[ScottA]

Were you brought back, or are you still "out there"?

Both.

 

[ScottA]

The criteria being that you have to be a believer. If I were already a believer, I wouldn't need a demo, would I?

No, you still get the demo. You are living it.

 

[HitchSlap]

No, you still get the demo. You are living it.

Yeah, you keep sayin' that...

 

[ScottA]

I gotta ask...you were taken "outside the universe"? What's that like?

Surreal.

 

[ScottA]

Atheism is the natural state of the human mind, untainted by thoughts about the why or what and concerned with the how, i.e. How to survive. So atheism extends farther back than the first memory of the first human.

Which came first, chickens or atheists? (Just kidding, welcome to the discussion)

 

[ScottA]

Ow, the horror!!! being intellectually honest, how DARE THEY, right?!



Who are you talking about?
Which atheist here "denies" this?

It is more the assumptive position of pretending to be knowledgeable about anything after building every supposition on a complete unknown. If you/they/whomever don't know from the word go, they don't know (much).

 

[HitchSlap]

It is more the assumptive position of pretending to be knowledgeable about anything ...

This describes theists quite succinctly.

 

[ScottA]

Humans are born atheist, and then indoctrinated into religion.

That may be the case for many, but there are also many of whom that is not the case. That would be like saying the humans are born stupid, and then they are taught knowledge. People are taught and indoctrinated into all kinds of things. But you cannot remove truth from the possibilities of available knowledge...in fact, truth is the only constant in any possible scenario. But that only speaks to those who learn from others.

There are numerous eyewitnesses (of which I am one), who did not learn what they know of God from others...but from God himself. And the likelihood that those who have not learned directly for God would believe their witness...doesn't change anything. But it is quite telling of human nature.

 

[ScottA]

This describes theists quite succinctly.

No, theist knowledge is the only knowledge built upon fact...they know [truth] from the word go.

 

[HitchSlap]

No, theist knowledge is the only knowledge built upon fact...they know [truth] from the word go.

You have no idea what those words even represent.

 

[HitchSlap]

That may be the case for many, but there are also many of whom that is not the case. That would be like saying the humans are born stupid, and then they are taught knowledge. People are taught and indoctrinated into all kinds of things. But you cannot remove truth from the possibilities of available knowledge...in fact, truth is the only constant in any possible scenario. But that only speaks to those who learn from others.

There are numerous eyewitnesses (of which I am one), who did not learn what they know of God from others...but from God himself. And the likelihood that those who have not learned directly for God would believe their witness...doesn't change anything. But it is quite telling of human nature.

So, what are you doing with this prescient knowledge to help humanity?

 

[ScottA]

Once again do not assume that you know what I do or do not know.

Overall, Christianity is dying. Some certain sects of Christianity may be growing, but on the whole it is seemingly terminal decline.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/the-conversation-uk/christianity-britain_b_4348384.html

Congratulations, you have just posted evidence of an exodus!

Actually...all kidding aside, that is exactly what that is: An exodus of the spirit born (born again) from the physical world. The world is passing away.

 

[ScottA]

So, what are you doing with this prescient knowledge to help humanity?

Sharing.

 

[TheQuietRiot]

Congratulations, you have just posted evidence of an exodus!

Actually...all kidding aside, that is exactly what that is: An exodus of the spirit born (born again) from the physical world. The world is passing away.

People have been saying things of this nature for over 2000 years.

And if is the time when the world is passing away I think God had rather terrible timing. Our species has suffered from disease, starvation, predation and extremely short life expectancy's for 250,000+ years and has only recently become civilized in most parts of the world. Seems rather cruel to then bring the end times as we begin (around the last 100 years or so) to make extraordinary leaps in medicine and food production allowing us to live longer, healthy lives and die in relative peace and comfort.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Anytime you propose a godless ideal as a belief system then you are articulating the doctrines of doubt. But I do know Lucifer's manifesto.

I understand what you think they are (although according to what you've said here...they should be called doctrines of belief) but I can't think of any examples because I don't have any "godless ideals".

Can you give a specific example of a "doctrine of doubt"? Lacking that, could you give a specific example of a "godless ideal"?

It would be best if you could give multiple specific examples, but I'll settle for one of each at this point.

 

[ScottA]

People have been saying things of this nature for over 2000 years.

And if is the time when the world is passing away I think God had rather terrible timing. Our species has suffered from disease, starvation, predation and extremely short life expectancy's for 250,000+ years and has only recently become civilized in most parts of the world. Seems rather cruel to then bring the end times as we begin (around the last 100 years or so) to make extraordinary leaps in medicine and food production allowing us to live longer, healthy lives and die in relative peace and comfort.

You would not know the brilliant logic of what is occurring with humanity, unless you knew the whole truth. If all there was to it was the advancement of an organic species...then you would be correct. But that is not even close to what is going on here. You are observing child birth...children of God giving birth to new spiritual beings within their organic seed. The universe was only "created" for this purpose. If you missed the memo...it is a wonder you didn't suffocate under the avalanche of human testimony and written information. But the time is well advanced, wasting away, and you have some catching up to do. This ship has sailed.

 

[Ana the Ist]

......like, what makes a flourless cake flourless?

I see someone already beat me to this question...

Are you even able to give specific examples of "godless ideals" or "doctrines of doubt"? Or are these just made up phrases for knowledge that you claim exists...but really doesn't (that's becoming a pattern on this thread)?

You just said a few pages ago that atheists on here get upset when you confront us about our "doctrines of doubt"...but no one knows what you're referring to and, increasingly, it looks like you don't know what you're referring to either.

 

[Loudmouth]

That may be the case for many, but there are also many of whom that is not the case.

Can you point to a single person who was born with the knowledge of christian theology? From what I have seen, people have to taught theology. That is indoctrination.

That would be like saying the humans are born stupid, and then they are taught knowledge. People are taught and indoctrinated into all kinds of things. But you cannot remove truth from the possibilities of available knowledge...in fact, truth is the only constant in any possible scenario. But that only speaks to those who learn from others.

If we were to destroy all books, all knowledge, and all memory, would christianity be rediscovered? We could rediscover all of the knowledge we have gained in biology, astronomy, geology, physics, but what about religion? Not so much.

There are numerous eyewitnesses (of which I am one), who did not learn what they know of God from others...but from God himself. And the likelihood that those who have not learned directly for God would believe their witness...doesn't change anything. But it is quite telling of human nature.

I am not aware of a single isolated civilization who discovered christianity all on their own. Are you aware of one?

 

[Chriliman]

But... he doesn't. So it doesn't confirm your claims to be true.

Just because he doesn't for you does not mean he doesn't for someone else and does not mean he won't for you in the future.

So, your claims are reasonable, because IF they were confirmed, they would be confirmed.

They have been confirmed by many even if that doesn't mean anything to you.

And many people confirm your claims to be true... only the one person who you cited three times in this post as a potential confirmation for your claims... this person doesn't.

God tries to reveal himself to you, but is not willing to control your will to accept Him.

Sound reason, indeed!

Indeed!