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The origins of atheism

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Hikarifuru

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Shame. I always enjoyed your contributions.

Thank you. But I just can't deal with some of these people and their ideas. It's fun at first but I am such an emotional person it's very very hard for me to stop caring and turn it off. It's just my personality type, I'm the super introverted emotional guy that filters everything through his emotions. It's harder for me to unlatch emotionally than it is for other people, just the way my brain works.
 
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Why wouldn't you just join an atheist forum and share doubts.
 
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again... you knew there is plenty of reason to think I love, thats why you said I did. There is evidence.
 
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We are all children of the God of Love, but we can belligerently deny that and warp ourselves into a real mess.

You are not discussing the topic.... you assumed I loved because there was evidence for this love. So your continued insistence that I lack evidence for my claim of love is false.
 
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We are all children of the God of Love, but we can belligerently deny that and warp ourselves into a real mess.

I have concluded that you do not intend to communicate or clear up any issue, you intend to preach to me. So I don't see any reason in continuing to talk to you.
 
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I think a lot of people are the same way. It's not always a problem though...sometimes it's a benefit.
 
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So what exactly is doing the initial desiring and determining? IOW, what is determining what I desire?

It sounds like your creating problems by rejecting the simple truth that we are actually free to desire whatever our hearts desire.

For instance: you will find the truth if you desire the truth.


Logic in this case can only be used to show that something is logically possible or logically impossible. You can't logically show that an eternal infinite God is logically impossible, it's that simple. I'm claiming that if an eternal infinite God exists then it would be perfectly logical in of itself. The only way you could show that this is wrong is if you yourself are perfectly logical, but then you'd become God, thus proving God is perfectly logical and also proving that you are not God.


These are words that you have put into my argument. I never said that God is outside of logic, I said God is perfectly logical. Try not to force what you want my argument to be in order to help you combat my argument. Try to be objective when reading my comments.

We finite humans can only expect to get so far with our own fallible logic, at some point we have to accept a truth as true since it's logically impossible for us to know everything that's true at all times.


Again, I never said our logic can not asses it because of it's definition. The logic I'm employing is capable of assessing this eternal infinite being, but my logic is limited to my finite self. An eternal infinite being's logic would be limited to truth, therefore, making it perfectly true.


Logic should be based on what is true and what is false. Therefore, this entire concept of an eternal infinite God does not undermine all the very principles of logic, but instead shows that logic is a valid tool in finding the truth.

Here, you're implying the answer cannot be discovered.

Wrong. I said there is no guarantee of discovery.

And how do you know there is no guarantee? The answer is you don't know that there is no guarantee, therefore, you either must assume there is a guarantee or assume there is not a guarantee. It's one or the other because you do not have infinite knowledge.


And how do you know there is an answer?

You just claimed to know there is an answer, so what's the answer? Do you have infinite knowledge to be able to give the answer? If not, then how can you claim to know there is an answer? Or is that you believe there is an answer?

How about you be rational and just admit you currently don't know the answer, but you hope someday you will know because you believe the answer can be known.


Logically, a finite being cannot perceive an infinite being in the same way an infinite being perceives itself. But an infinite being can fully perceive a finite being.

Similarly, you can fully perceive yourself, but I can only perceive you in a limited way.


It seems you've introduced things into my argument that were never there to begin with in an attempt to help your own argument. The fact that you claim I do not know anything about this god implies you must know everything about this god, which means you must be an infinite eternal being. Do you remember existing before you were born? If not then you're not an infinite eternal being.
 
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I no longer want to keep talking about all this. I will leave you with one more thought and that is that I did not create problems by my ideas of free will... I simply demonstrated your need to educate yourself on the topic. Go read a neuroscientists thoughts on the topic of free will.

These problems as you call them are one of the reasons you hold to your simple illogical ideas, you need to avoid them, just like the logic you insist your god does not need.
 
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Lets think reasonably here. If I were God and I created the universe then I could explain exactly how I did it to you. Problem is I'm not God and I didn't create the universe so I can't explain how it was created.

I do believe at some point God may explain to me how and why He has created the universe. This most likely will only happen when I'm with Him in heaven.
 
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No problem. If it's objective truth you desire, then it's objective truth you will find.
 
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You still haven't told us how the universe came into existence though, you just said that it was god's doing. So how did he do it?
According to the Bible, He spoke it into existence.
 
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According to the Bible, He spoke it into existence.

I'll be honest AV, I don't know what that means. How does one "speak" something into existence? Lacking an answer to that...what does it mean to speak something into existence?
 
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