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Shame. I always enjoyed your contributions.
I took a break but I had multiple bans and this place just made me angry. This isn't a safe place for an atheist INFPI'm starting to think I shouldn't have come back here at all. I've already had another warning. I think I'm going to hang it up forever this time.
Well yes, the fingerprints of the creator are everywhere, to me only a fool would deny the Loving Father. We know Love because we have experienced it, but it is just as subjective and unprovable in the way atheist demand objective proofs of the spiritualists other faith experiences.
We are all children of the God of Love, but we can belligerently deny that and warp ourselves into a real mess.
We are all children of the God of Love, but we can belligerently deny that and warp ourselves into a real mess.
Thank you. But I just can't deal with some of these people and their ideas. It's fun at first but I am such an emotional person it's very very hard for me to stop caring and turn it off. It's just my personality type, I'm the super introverted emotional guy that filters everything through his emotions. It's harder for me to unlatch emotionally than it is for other people, just the way my brain works.
Chriliman
Yes that person chose to kill their self... but they were not free to make any other choice but that one.
I understand our free will is not unlimited. We don't have free will to fly. Our free will is limited to right and wrong decisions which lead to consequences, like someone deciding to kill themselves leads to the consequence of them being dead. Someone deciding to help someone else leads to the consequence of them feeling better about themselves. The question is, why do we have free will to make right and wrong choices and who decides what is absolutely right and absolutely wrong?
Actually no... free will doesn't exist at all because you are not consciously FREE to control any of it. It's all being desired and determined before you are consciously aware of it. #neuroscience
What if you're thinking about good things like logic, reason and evidence and so forth in the wrong way? What if all good things in life do come from one infinite eternal source? What if everything we perceive as bad is a result of not knowing that infinite eternal source of all goodness? None of what I'm saying is illogical, it just requires an open mind to really think about the implications.
You provided that something is the source of logic thus cannot be evaluated or critiqued or proved by logic.... that undermines logic. You are arguing that logic can possibly be considered moot.. this is illogical.
Again, not if this eternal infinite being is perfect logic in of itself.
You have already established in your example that is being is outside of logic and that we cannot critique it.. not it is perfectly logical... a topic wouldn't be perfectly logical by definition just because the topic is something like heaven or divine power.
We humans do not have perfect logic, but does that fact mean perfect logic does not exist?
You did not claim that this being was logical, you claimed that our logic could not assess it because of its definition. Saying our logic is not logical also undermines logic itself.
You claim it's wrong, but you can't use logic to show that the existence of this being would be impossible. Why is that?
Actually I can and like I said in the beginning... the evidence is that it's entire concept undermines all the very principles of logic. You break the entire measuring system of world to fit your god in to it. You cannot evidence your god without removing logical rules... why is that? Because it isn't real and its very nature contradicts all that is real.
Here, you're implying the answer cannot be discovered.
Wrong. I said there is no guarantee of discovery.
Now your saying you're not implying anything could not be known. So which is it? Can everything that has meaning be known or not? This is the problem I run into with atheists, they just can't decide what they want to believe when it comes to answers about life. Inconsistent behavior can't be trusted.
You lack comprehension skills (the problem I find with theists).... I specifically said that there is an answer but that it is not guaranteed that it will be discovered.
Plus, I never said this being can't be known. I do in fact know this being to be God of all creation.
Earlier you did actually provide that we finite beings are in a place that cannot perceive the infinite being correctly. You've said that more than once/
No you do not know anything about this god and you can't even begin to evidence that and you are removing all logical rules from the conversation to accommodate it and saying that since this being is a GOD that it must be "logical" that he not need to fit into any logical rule or method.
You were there?This never happened in reality.
I haven't brought up anything about a multiverse...so I'm not sure why you're bringing it up.
Claiming that "god created the universe" explains nothing about how the universe came into being. Are you saying that there is no truth in how the universe was created?
If there is a truth, then there's an explanation. If you have an explanation, let's hear it.
Criliman
I no longer want to keep talking about all this. I will leave you with one more thought and that is that I did not create problems by my ideas of free will... I simply demonstrated your need to educate yourself on the topic. Go read a neuroscientists thoughts on the topic of free will.
These problems as you cause them are one of the reasons you hold to your simple illogical ideas, you need to avoid them, just like the logic you insist your god does not need.
According to the Bible, He spoke it into existence.You still haven't told us how the universe came into existence though, you just said that it was god's doing. So how did he do it?
No problem. If it's objective truth you desire, then it's objective truth you will find.
According to the Bible, He spoke it into existence.
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