The origins of atheism

[HitchSlap]

Yes.

GTK?

Good to know.

 

[Davian]

Truth is often stranger than fiction.

Not always. The story of the "God" that allegedly walked and talked in a garden that has no evidence of having existed, poofed people and animals into existence, and later, in a manner contrary to the modern understanding of genetics, populated the planet with a tiny group of individuals and animals that survived a global flood in an unbuildable boat, a flood that killed the dinosaurs in a manner that only *appears* to be 65 million years ago, because the Earth is really only somehow 6000 years old, yet remains, by every objective measure to date indistinguishable from nothing, sounds very strange to me.

 

[Hikarifuru]

I only wanted to explain your misunderstanding of the rape, burn, murder stuff you mentioned. There is a simple answer. But the fact that you live about as far from the actual reality of what the universe is all about, stands in the way of you even being able to consider it. I may as well be literally conversing with a fish in a fishbowl. The difference is, unlike a fish in a bowl, you don't even see beyond the limit that binds you, nor apparently do you have the imagination to conceive it. Incidentally, that is where the term "born again" comes from...the ability to conceive the spirit of God. I guess you don't got it.

The sad part is...your horizon stops at the very thing you curse, at the make believe created world...in contented bliss.

If for some reason an inkling of imagination pops into your mind, and you would like to expand your horizon to include the actual reality beyond this pixelated Masterpiece, the door is open (for a limited time).

Right the answer being that since I don't know god I could never understand this written story and if I meet with god and accept him I will suddenly be able to make the story into whatever I want it to be and I will be able to assert that I am above the reasoning of human beings... and no one will ever be able to challenge my point of view because they cannot possibly understand until they too meet and accept... this special pleading fallacy. I'll pass.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yeah, Mathew's anonymous authors completely mistranslated "almah," and rode that horse hard for the 'virgin birth' narrative, when all this time is was a simple mistake... oops.

Ya ... right ...

And in Chapter 2, he reported the arrival of the Wise Men, which got Mr. Herod in an uproar.

And in Chapter 3, he reported the arrival of John the Baptist, which all of Jerusalem & Judea came out to see.

And all the time, those in Jerusalem & Judea were just going about their own business ... right?

So when Christianity began to spread -- from Jerusalem even! -- not one person in Jerusalem bought into this "lie"?

Suppose I wrote a story about a man who was born in your town, got your mayor all upset, all the kids in your town two years old and younger were put to death; then another "stranger" comes to town, and your whole town goes down to the river to get baptized of him, etc. and so on.

You mean to tell me the ruling government at the time would come into your town to try and squash this "new religion" before it ever gets off the ground and not ask one person in your town to verify these facts?

 

[AV1611VET]

Why would a blood thirsty tyrant that has already tried to kill every child of a certain age and thinks he is dealing with a silly religion bother himself with facts?

Because he is trying to get rid of the Messiah before He grows up.

So he desperately needs those facts.

Matthew 2:7 Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, enquired of them diligently what time the star appeared.

 

[AV1611VET]

Killing every child of a certain age to prevent a crazy religion from springing up in your land does not require fact checking to confirm the religions truth...

What should he have done?

Any good scientist would check the facts first, wouldn't he?

(On second thought ...)

 

[SteveB28]

Because he is trying to get rid of the Messiah before He grows up.

So he desperately needs those facts.

Matthew 2:7 Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, enquired of them diligently what time the star appeared.

Speaking of facts, where are they?

Outside of biblical myths, where are the accounts of this purported 'slaughter of the innocents'?

 

[AV1611VET]

Speaking of facts, where are they?

Outside of biblical myths, where are the accounts of this purported 'slaughter of the innocents'?

Gone back to the periodic table?

 

[AV1611VET]

We're talking about a guy who kills lots and lots of kids... were not talking about what a person should do or any"good" anything.

Okay.

Herod killed lots and lots of kids.

Now what?

Do you think he should have mandated abortion or something two years earlier?

That way, he could have jusitfied his actions both scientifically and politically.

 

[SteveB28]

Gone back to the periodic table?

As I thought, you have nothing.

 

[ScottA]

Right the answer being that since I don't know god I could never understand this written story and if I meet with god and accept him I will suddenly be able to make the story into whatever I want it to be and I will be able to assert that I am above the reasoning of human beings... and no one will ever be able to challenge my point of view because they cannot possibly understand until they too meet and accept... this special pleading fallacy. I'll pass.

Noted.

So...why are you here?

 

[Hikarifuru]

Noted.

So...why are you here?

I like to talk about religious ideas, especially when people who are willing to listen to how I feel.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I'm an archer. In my book a near miss scores better than a total miss.

You aren't even missing. You haven't got any arrows.

 

[Colter]

Speaking of facts, where are they?

Outside of biblical myths, where are the accounts of this purported 'slaughter of the innocents'?

Atheist are carful to ask questions that can't be answered. But even during the times of Christ, Jesus would do or say something profound and the non believers would focus on how Jesus didn't wash his hands before supper therefore.......

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Science hasn't disproven God.

I claim your Atheism is inherently fallacious because you cannot disprove God. Your doctrines of doubt are just a reverse sort of faith.

A scientist can critique me, but that's not science.

Should we believe everything that cannot be definitively disproven?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

"The scientist is limited to the discovery of the relatedness of material facts. Technically, he has no right to assert that he is either materialist or idealist, for in so doing he has assumed to forsake the attitude of a true scientist since any and all such assertions of attitude are the very essence of philosophy." UB 1955

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Atheistic scientist, as opposed to true scientist, set these artificial parameters or standards of what constitutes a so called logical fallacy.

If you are not able to disprove God then your position is bunk, it's a faith not science.

Are we required to do this for every claim? Why would that be?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I have the evidence of my own experience with God, you have no evidence of a godless universe so your hypocrisy is noted.

Couldn't an atheist play the exact same card on you?

 

[Colter]

Should we believe everything cannot be definitively disproven?

Of coarse not, but proofs aren't even enough. Jesus would perform some amazing act of healing and the "deniers" would propose that his power came from Satan not God. So even miracles were ineffective against the pigheaded.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

You obviously have no idea about what you are talking about and you are only showing your ignorance here, so understand me when I say people like you have no idea about theology and are no one to learn about them.

How long should we study fashion before we are permitted to comment on the emperor's new clothes?

 

[Colter]

Are we required to do this for every claim? Why would that be?

Both scientist and the religious are confined to their respective realms. Yes, the religious don't have the right to go into science and shut them down based on beliefs about creationism.