The origins of atheism

[Ana the Ist]

If you believe God created the universe the how he did it becomes irrelevant. Why he did it becomes relevant. One of the reasons why he created the universe might be to explain exactly how he created the universe. But if you don't believe in God then he can't explain anything directly to you, all your knowledge of God would come from finite sources, not the infinite eternal source.

So I'll ask again, how did god create the universe?

Without an answer to that, saying that god created the universe doesn't explain anything.

 

[Davian]

Spirituality is a subjective experience, Atheist know this about religious people, so they demand objective proofs. When none is forthcoming they claim victory.

A lot of wild tales are trotted out in these forums. We'll need more than your subjective opinion to find yours compelling.

 

[Hikarifuru]

If you believe God created the universe the how he did it becomes irrelevant. Why he did it becomes relevant. One of the reasons why he created the universe might be to explain exactly how he created the universe. But if you don't believe in God then he can't explain anything directly to you, all your knowledge of God would come from finite sources, not the infinite eternal source.

You are providing that if you believe in god you become apathetic to how it works.... this is an obvious example of how people believing completely absurd but mystical things and are not concerned with a process that would allow them to discover they have been duped and people who are critical are banned from contributing to the topic.

If you believe in a magical unicorn that created the planet, it is not relevant how he did it but rather why he did... the process by which you can critique this story is disqualified and all critical people are also disqualified from commenting. It's self preserving nonsense based on fears and needs.

 

[Hikarifuru]

Spirituality is a subjective experience, Atheist know this about religious people, so they demand objective proofs. When none is forthcoming they claim victory.

That is how victory is won when the objective is to prove other peoples claims as dismissable. You that hold subjective views need to start being honest and stop insisting that people listen to you.

 

[Ana the Ist]

If you believe God created the universe the how he did it becomes irrelevant. Why he did it becomes relevant. One of the reasons why he created the universe might be to explain exactly how he created the universe. But if you don't believe in God then he can't explain anything directly to you, all your knowledge of God would come from finite sources, not the infinite eternal source.

You've told us over and over that without an explanation of how the universe came into existence, there's no truth to how the universe came into existence.

You still haven't told us how the universe came into existence though, you just said that it was god's doing. So how did he do it?

According to your own faulty logic, you need an explanation for this or there's no truth to the statement that "god created the universe".

 

[Colter]

That is how victory is won when the objective is to prove other peoples claims as dismissable. You have hold subjective views need to start being honest and stop insisting that people listen to you.

Your claim of love then is dismissible based on your silly mental gymnastics.

 

[Colter]

There is only one reality.

We can know some things about reality.

Falsifiable models with predictive capabilities provide the best results.

We know the reality of God, if you ever get over yourself you could know him to and find life eternal.

 

[Hikarifuru]

Your claim of love then is dismissible based on your silly mental gymnastics.

Not when you are perfectly aware that I most likely do love based on basic human patterns. This is why you will not dare say I do not love. You wont even honestly doubt it and the reason you wont is because there is evidence for it.

 

[Hikarifuru]

We know the reality of God, if you ever get over yourself you could know him to and find life eternal.

no you don't, you use faith.... which is the "evidence" of what you HOPE FOR.

 

[Ana the Ist]

no you don't, you use faith.... which is the "evidence" of what you HOPE FOR.

Hey Dean, it's good to see you back on here posting again. I hadn't seen you in the atheist sections for quite some time now. Were you lurking in other sections or just taking a break from C.F.?

 

[HitchSlap]

We know the reality of God, if you ever get over yourself you could know him to and find life eternal.

If god wants to know me, I'm listed in the phone book.
"Let's talk, no big whoop."

 

[Chriliman]

You've told us over and over that without an explanation of how the universe came into existence, there's no truth to how the universe came into existence.

You still haven't told us how the universe came into existence though, you just said that it was god's doing. So how did he do it?

According to your own faulty logic, you need an explanation for this or there's no truth to the statement that "god created the universe".

The point is that you and I are not eternal and infinite, therefore we are required to believe things that make sense. God as an explanation for why the universe has a beginning is an explanation that does make sense, therefore, if you want to remain rational you should believe this is a possible explanation until it's proven that its wrong. You can believe in a multiverse as the most rational explanation if you want, but the only thing that could disprove that would be God.

God can't even be disproved even if the multiverse is proven.

 

[Hikarifuru]

Hey Dean, it's good to see you back on here posting again. I hadn't seen you in the atheist sections for quite some time now. Were you lurking in other sections or just taking a break from C.F.?

I took a break but I had multiple bans and this place just made me angry. This isn't a safe place for an atheist INFP I'm starting to think I shouldn't have come back here at all. I've already had another warning. I think I'm going to hang it up forever this time.

 

[Colter]

Not when you are perfectly aware that I most likely do love based on basic human patterns. This is why you will not dare say I do not love. You wont even honestly doubt it and the reason you wont is because there is evidence for it.

I'm aware that God is Love, that love pervades humanity, that it is common, and one can plagiarize the attributes of God creation, ignoring the source of love, pretending Love is a derivative of uncaused evolution.

 

[Hikarifuru]

I'm aware that God is Love, that love pervades humanity, that it is common, and one can plagiarize the attributes of God creation, ignoring the source of love, pretending Love is a derivative of uncaused evolution.

-_- you are also aware that is a very basic human quality that nearly every human you ever met has to some extent and that you'd be a fool to claim someone does not have any of

 

[Ana the Ist]

The point is that you and I are not eternal and infinite, therefore we are required to believe things that make sense. God as an explanation for why the universe has a beginning is an explanation that does make sense, therefore, if you want to remain rational you should believe this is a possible explanation until it's proven that its wrong. You can believe in a multiverse as the most rational explanation if you want, but the only thing that could disprove that would be God.

God can't even be disproved even if the multiverse is proven.

I haven't brought up anything about a multiverse...so I'm not sure why you're bringing it up.

Claiming that "god created the universe" explains nothing about how the universe came into being. Are you saying that there is no truth in how the universe was created?

If there is a truth, then there's an explanation. If you have an explanation, let's hear it.

 

[Colter]

no you don't, you use faith.... which is the "evidence" of what you HOPE FOR.

God is a present tense reality for me, not just a future hope. A lot of the people who were born into Christianity but then left are people who were merely members of a Christian social club, they were never spirit born so they had no roots.

Growing in an understanding of God will continue for an eternity so yes, faith will always be a need.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I took a break but I had multiple bans and this place just made me angry. This isn't a safe place for an atheist INFP I'm starting to think I shouldn't have come back here at all. I've already had another warning. I think I'm going to hang it up forever this time.

Shame. I always enjoyed your contributions.

 

[Hikarifuru]

God is a present tense reality for me, not just a future hope. A lot of the people who were born into Christianity but then left are people who were merely members of a Christian social club, they were never spirit born so they had no roots.

Growing in an understanding of God will continue for an eternity so yes, faith will always be a need.

Just like my loving sexual relationship with my mermaid wife Ariel. If you come by at night and smoke my hookah and try to believe in her, you will then find reason to believe in her.

 

[Colter]

-_- you are also aware that is a very basic human quality that nearly every human you ever met has to some extent and that you'd be a fool to claim someone does not have any of

Well yes, the fingerprints of the creator are everywhere, to me only a fool would deny the Loving Father. We know Love because we have experienced it, but it is just as subjective and unprovable in the way atheist demand objective proofs of the spiritualists other faith experiences.