The origins of atheism

[Davian]

Fair enough.

If you see the word "Duplicate" in my answers to your repeated comments and questions, it will be evidence that it is you who are doing in the same thing over and over expecting a different result.

-Duplicate- (That was fast!)

I do not expect a different result.

 

[Davian]

That's correct, God exist above the plain of worldly logic.

That would explain many of your posts.

But that does not mean talk of God does not belong here or anywhere else, or that it is philosophy. It means, just the opposite, that everything else is [only] philosophy.

Futility would mean there is no way, and yet there is a way to discuss God. It is philosophy that is futile. Discussion of God demands the abandonment of philosophy...and conjecture, and speculation, etc.

...and logic.

What remains, is what has been happening down through all of recorded history:

The argument from antiquity is a fallacy.

the building of one Godly fact

Not "facts".

upon another, and God showing himself to those who participate.

Or simply imagined.

No one is excluded, unless they choose not to participate...

Belief is not a conscious choice.

in which case, life is simply organic and not spiritual.

Define "spiritual" in a coherent, testable manner.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Good question. The point is more that it is not something you can find outwardly. But, you need to look for it inwardly, because that is the only place one can find God. It is not that God is in you, but that His kingdom is within you. It is given to all people, that they may come to God, to enter into His presence...but you must approach Him.

So you're saying god isn't in me...but the "kingdom of god" is in me.

It's a bit confusing since one would naturally assume that "the kingdom of god" is the place where god resides. If it's not, then what is "the kingdom of god"?

If the kingdom of god is where god resides, and I have this kingdom within me...then the only logical conclusion is that god is in me as well.

 

[ScottA]

You fail again to provide a coherent, testable definition, and throw in an insult. Is that a Christian thing, to insult those that disagree with you?

Can you read minds?

Mind-Reading Hat

• Davian
• Jul 30, 2015

The argument from antiquity is a fallacy.

In my country, fortunately, they have become just a side note. My daughter's high school class spent a day on religious creationism, as a curiosity.

Of course you do.

Then it is your beliefs that you are presenting here.

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[ScottA]

That would explain many of your posts.



...and logic.

The argument from antiquity is a fallacy.

Not "facts".

Or simply imagined.

Belief is not a conscious choice.

Define "spiritual" in a coherent, testable manner.

-Multiple Repeat Comments-

 

[Davian]

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Are you expecting different results from this?

 

[David Colin Gould]

Do you know what you said is an important doctrine of Buddhism?
May be you are not so atheistic after all.

I know that it is important in Buddhist thought. But I do not believe in the existence of deities, which still makes me an atheist. I would not call myself a Buddhist, either - too much supernatural stuff there for me.

 

[ScottA]

So you're saying god isn't in me...but the "kingdom of god" is in me.

It's a bit confusing since one would naturally assume that "the kingdom of god" is the place where god resides. If it's not, then what is "the kingdom of god"?

If the kingdom of god is where god resides, and I have this kingdom within me...then the only logical conclusion is that god is in me as well.

God is omnipresent. His kingdom, is his domain, where he is king. The confusion, is he has cast all of humanity out of his kingdom. This world is not his kingdom. He is present, but unless we return to him...it is we who are not present in his domain/kingdom. We return to him by the prescribed method and exception to the death sentence we have in this world: Jesus and the salvation story, is God's amnesty program. It was Jesus who said the kingdom of God is within us, and he explains that within us we must be born again of the spirit of God, which we do by accepting the salvation of Christ/Jesus. He paid the penalty for our death sentence here on earth, that we may not just die an organic death, but live on in the spirit of God, as a new [born again] creation. The universe has no other purpose.

 

[Colter]

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No UFO's in the UB?
This is quoted from your book - no extrapolations: (my emphasis)

2. Transit of the Planetary Adams

51:2.1 Upon receipt of the news that another inhabited world has attained the height of physical evolution, the System Sovereign convenes the corps of Material Sons and Daughters on the system capital; and following the discussion of the needs of such an evolutionary world, two of the volunteering group — an Adam and an Eve of the senior corps of Material Sons — are selected to undertake the adventure, to submit to the deep sleep preparatory to being enseraphimed and transported from their home of associated service to the new realm of new opportunities and new dangers.​

Now, perhaps I shouldn't have used the term UFO. Perhaps I should have used the term spaceship or superhypeinterstellartraveling device or whatever. But somehow your "Adam & Eve" get from one place in space to a different place in space.

Oooops, I'm wrong again. I just did a little further reading: (my emphasis)

51:2.2 Adams and Eves are semimaterial creatures and, as such, are not transportable by seraphim. They must undergo dematerialization on the system capital before they can be enseraphimed for transport to the world of assignment. The transport seraphim are able to effect such changes in the Material Sons and in other semimaterial beings as enable them to be enseraphimed and thus to be transported through space from one world or system to another. About three days of standard time are consumed in this transport preparation, and it requires the co-operation of a Life Carrier to restore such a dematerialized creature to normal existence upon arrival at the end of the seraphic-transport journey.
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It's more like a Star Trek "beam them over" concept. But then, how does the Life Carrier get here?

No sci-fi stuff there huh? Are you sure L. Ron Hubbard didn't write the Blue Book?

Re read my post , I said no "UFO's"

Life carriers would use transport personalities. There are techniques for dematerialization such as in Star Trek. Gene Roddenberry was a life long reader of the Urantia Book, that is where he extracted a number of his ideas.

 

[ScottA]

Are you expecting different results from this?

No, but it is very telling: Wheat or Tare.

 

[Colter]

I remember that movie...

Remember 1968 2001 Space Oddysy ? Those silly people actually had a computer that talked! giggle

 

[David Colin Gould]

Another attempt at dodging the issue. The issue is "Did creation create itself?" and "Did any item that exists on earth create itself?"

We have so much talk about "unsupported assertions". Well let those who talk about unsupported assertions PROVE that things simply create themselves. Let's begin with this elementary requirement.

You made the claim that nothing creates itself and that this means that everything needs a creator. You have now changed this to 'Creation'. Obviously, a creation was created. But I do not accept that the universe is a creation - I am an atheist.

I will agree to this: all creations require a creator. But that is just a linguistic tautology.

You put God in a special category - the category of not requiring a creator. I am similar. I put the universe in a special category - the category of not requiring a creator. Now, I am willing to accept that I might be incorrect. But I would need evidence of the existence of a creator first. And it is no good pointing to the universe, as I do not think that it is a creation.

 

[AV1611VET]

Remember 1968 2001 Space Oddysy ? Those silly people actually had a computer that talked! giggle

Of course, the show had to open with monkeys role-playing evolution.

And evolution itself being driven by some object called the "Black Monolith."

Whenever it showed up, evolution took another step forward.

Of course, the show was rated G for obvious reasons.

So kids could get in there and witness guided evolution in progress.

 

[Davian]

No,

Good. I wouldn't want you to be describing yourself as insane. I would ask, why then do you proselytize here in this forum if you are not expecting results?

but it is very telling: Wheat or Tare.

You do like those veiled insults. Are you suggesting that belief is a conscious choice?

 

[ScottA]

You put God in a special category - the category of not requiring a creator. I am similar. I put the universe in a special category - the category of not requiring a creator. Now, I am willing to accept that I might be incorrect. But I would need evidence of the existence of a creator first. And it is no good pointing to the universe, as I do not think that it is a creation.

If I may...

The problem with that position, is that it is a closed-circuit. This same mistake was made by the Church, not willing to cross the ocean sea and leave behind the known world.

 

[Davian]

Re read my post , I said no "UFO's"

Life carriers would use transport personalities. There are techniques for dematerialization such as in Star Trek. Gene Roddenberry was a life long reader of the Urantia Book, that is where he extracted a number of his ideas.

A reader does not make a believer. Do you have a citation for this? His wiki page makes no mention of this.

 

[Davian]

Of course, the show had to open with monkeys role-playing evolution.

And evolution itself being driven by some object called the "Black Monolith."

Whenever it showed up, evolution took another step forward.

Of course, the show was rated G for obvious reasons.

So kids could get in there and witness guided evolution in progress.

Do you recall that movie being promoted as fact?

 

[Ana the Ist]

God is omnipresent. His kingdom, is his domain, where he is king. The confusion, is he has cast all of humanity out of his kingdom.

Look...if you're just going to make stuff up, at least try to be consistent. Ok?

You just said that the kingdom of god was within me, now you're saying I've been cast out of it....it's a blatant contradiction. It can't be both.

So which is it? Is the kingdom of god within me or is it somewhere else?

 

[AirPo]

Scientists want to smell your armpits.

Is she cute?

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you recall that movie being promoted as fact?

No ... why?

It's not fact.

It's propaganda.

It sowed seeds it shouldn't have been sowing.

The Flintstones, on the other hand, was more accurate (and less propaganda), as it showed man and dinosaur cohabiting in harmony.

Planet of the Apes?

Pure witchcraft and Satanism.

Even Charlton "Moses" Heston cursed God at the end of that movie.