The origins of atheism

[JonFromMinnesota]

they have all sorts of theories and hypothesis about it.

What's wrong with scientists making a hypothesis in regards to abiogenesis? It's how we learn things. Make a hypothesis, test it. If it fails the test, throw it out, try again.

If only they would admit that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, life would be a lot less complicated for them.

This would be being intentionally dishonest with ourselves. Sorry, not going to happen.

The evidence has been provided more times than I care to number so I am not going to go round in circles saying what already has been said. To make it simple for you just google God and Creation and spend a few hours studying the various sites that have the information. I have done that so it is not too onerous.

Sorry, creationists sites are nonsense. They deliberately lie and misrepresent science. They are completely unconvincing and reek of logical fallacies and extraordinary claims with no evidence to back it up. If there was conclusive evidence for the existence of God, we wouldn't be talking about it. Yet, here we are.

 

[As I was saying]

As you claim to comprehend how life began, can you explain it in detail here, beyond "a god did it"?

I don't want to encourage you to be lazy. A detailed explanation would take a few pages which I have a feeling no one would read because of its length. The simplest way to find out is to google God and Creation and then you can learn at your leisure. I have done that (it took me a few months because I read widely including books on the subject). Then you don't have to take my word for it which I know you wouldn't anyway.

 

[Davian]

Yes.

Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Unfortunately, in these last days though, this passage applies:

Psalm 21:10 Their fruit shalt thou destroy from the earth, and their seed from among the children of men.

I don't see how. When different people are just as convinced of contradictory claims, it all cancels out to nothing.

 

[As I was saying]

What's wrong with scientists making a hypothesis in regards to abiogenesis? It's how we learn things. Make a hypothesis, test it. If it fails the test, throw it out, try again.

This would be being intentionally dishonest with ourselves. Sorry, not going to happen.

Sorry, creationists sites are nonsense. They deliberately lie and misrepresent science. They are completely unconvincing and reek of logical fallacies and extraordinary claims with no evidence to back it up. If there was conclusive evidence for the existence of God, we wouldn't be talking about it. Yet, here we are.

1. I never said anything about abiogenesis. That comes after creation.

2. if you have an inquiring mind, nothing is dishonest.

3. I never said anything about creation sites. But the comment does show a closed mind.

 

[Davian]

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If only they would admit that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, life would be a lot less complicated for them.

...and if only the rest of the world would admit that your particular beliefs are right, life would be a lot less complicated for them too. Why oh why don't they do that?

lol.

 

[As I was saying]

As you claim to comprehend how life began, can you explain it in detail here, beyond "a god did it"?

Not until you can ask a question that is not loaded with cynicism.

 

[Davian]

I don't want to encourage you to be lazy. A detailed explanation would take a few pages which I have a feeling no one would read because of its length. The simplest way to find out is to google God and Creation and then you can learn at your leisure. I have done that (it took me a few months because I read widely including books on the subject). Then you don't have to take my word for it which I know you wouldn't anyway.

I didn't think you had any such comprehension. Another empty claim.

 

[As I was saying]

...and if only the rest of the world would admit that your particular beliefs are right, life would be a lot less complicated for them too. Why oh why don't they do that?

lol.

They do. I have just read a book that investigated the nine houses of Islam. The author engaged at least 100 researchers to find out what is going on and the result was the same in every house. Muslims are converting to christianity at a rate of knots hitherto unknown.

In China, thousands are coming to Christ every day. In India, there is a house church of over 100,000 members and so it goes on.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

1. I never said anything about abiogenesis. That comes after creation.

I don't think you know the definition of abiogenesis.
"the original evolution of life or living organisms from inorganic or inanimate substances"
So God created life and then life came from inanimate substances? You make no sense.

2. if you have an inquiring mind, nothing is dishonest.

If I pretend to believe something I don't, just to satisfy you is being honest with myself? I don't know what you're talking about and I don't think you do either.

3. I never said anything about creation sites. But the comment does show a closed mind.

Provide your best line of evidence. One link.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

At least you are honest. Most atheists waffle around the question trying to hide the fact that they don't know and I agree that pretending to know like most atheists do is a roadblock to knowledge that is why they have all sorts of theories and hypothesis about it. If only they would admit that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, life would be a lot less complicated for them.

On CF at least, most atheists admit that they don't know. Many theists pretend to know.

 

[As I was saying]

I didn't think you had any such comprehension. Another empty claim.

If you believe in evolution you don't think. All you do is parrot what you have heard from others. My faith in God has been beaten out on the anvil of experience and knowledge over 60 years so my conviction is on very solid ground.

 

[Ana the Ist]

...and if only the rest of the world would admit that your particular beliefs are right, life would be a lot less complicated for them too. Why oh why don't they do that?

lol.

Hey...

If you just got a full frontal lobotomy, life would be a lot less complicated...

 

[As I was saying]

I don't think you know the definition of abiogenesis.
"the original evolution of life or living organisms from inorganic or inanimate substances" So God created life and then life came from inanimate substances? You make no sense.

If I pretend to believe something I don't, just to satisfy you is being honest with myself? I don't know what you're talking about and I don't think you do either.

Provide your best line of evidence. One link.

And I don't think you know what you think you know that is why you make no sense.

I think you think too much about what others say and my best line of evidence is "In the beginning God created the heaven's and the earth....and as NO ONE has proved this to be otherwise, I rest my case. I know a lot of people speculate that this is not the case, but I don't deal in speculation.

 

[As I was saying]

On CF at least, most atheists admit that they don't know. Many theists pretend to know.

Do they. Sorry but I don't speak for "many theists." I only speak for myself and what I have learnt from learned men and women who are professors and Ph.Ds and have taught at Yale, Harvard, Stanford, Oxford, Cambridge and MIT etc.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Do they. Sorry but I don't speak for "many theists." I only speak for myself and what I have learnt from learned men and women who are professors and Ph.Ds and have taught at Yale, Harvard, Stanford, Oxford, Cambridge and MIT etc.

You're a one man Ivy League.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

And I don't think you know what you think you know that is why you make no sense.

I think you think too much about what others say and my best line of evidence is "In the beginning God created the heaven's and the earth....and as NO ONE has proved this to be otherwise, I rest my case. I know a lot of people speculate that this is not the case, but I don't deal in speculation.

Burden of proof.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

I think you think too much about what others say and my best line of evidence is "In the beginning God created the heaven's and the earth....and as NO ONE has proved this to be otherwise, I rest my case. I know a lot of people speculate that this is not the case, but I don't deal in speculation.

Unfortunately for you that is only a claim. An unfalsifiable claim, which you think is a strength and an argument in your favor when in reality, it is the weakest part of your faith.

Here, let me show you:
There is a teapot too small to be seen by telescopes orbiting around the moon. You can't prove it doesn't exist, therefore my claim is true.

Do you see how ridiculous that is?

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't see how. When different people are just as convinced of contradictory claims, it all cancels out to nothing.

What about every Christian who ever lived believes: IN THE BEGINNING, GOD?

What cancels that out?

 

[As I was saying]

Unfortunately for you that is only a claim. An unfalsifiable claim, which you think is a strength and an argument in your favor when in reality, it is the weakest part of your faith. Here, let me show you: There is a teapot too small to be seen by telescopes orbiting around the moon. You can't prove it doesn't exist, therefore my claim is true.

Do you see how ridiculous that is?

Groan! Not the teapot again. If you only knew how silly you sound bringing that up ad infinitum. You have no idea what is the weakest and strongest part of my faith so stop trying to make out you know everything because you don't. In comparison to God you know very little.

 

[As I was saying]

You're a one man Ivy League.

Never been to any Ivy League University as I don't live in America.