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Yes, well aware people claim the ark could float, some people still claim that flu shots will give you autism, just because people claim it doesn't make it true.
I've never taken issue with the idea that the ark could float. Or even that it was structurally sound enough to stay intact in a rough sea. Frankly, I think there are far more glaring issues about the whole Flood story than the structural integrity of the boat. Considering at this point we have people who have to invoke teleporting koalas and flying clams to make it work, I'm really kind of unsure where to go next.
 
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I avoid any clickbait that makes unspecified claims about something that will "amaze, shock, blow my mind", or that "you'll never believe".

Care to give as a 1 sentence synopsis of this "stunning" claim?

I tend to be sceptical like you.

The research, conducted by the department of physics and astronomy at the University of Leicester, says that the Ark would have floated even with 35,000 animals (17,500 species) on board.

https://physics.le.ac.uk/journals/index.php/pst/article/view/676/475
 
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I tend to be sceptical like you.

The research, conducted by the department of physics and astronomy at the University of Leicester, says that the Ark would have floated even with 35,000 animals (17,500 species) on board.
https://physics.le.ac.uk/journals/index.php/pst/article/view/676/475
We don't know what gopher wood was so how can we make precise claims? If the laws of the past were different we also need to factor that in to arrive at buoyancy...etc. The ark was made by the design of God for that day and was perfect for the job.
 
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We don't know what gopher wood was so how can we make precise claims? If the laws of the past were different we also need to factor that in to arrive at buoyancy...etc. The ark was made by the design of God for that day and was perfect for the job.

The cited study at least supports the view that it would have floated with the assumptions made.
 
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I've never taken issue with the idea that the ark could float. Or even that it was structurally sound enough to stay intact in a rough sea. Frankly, I think there are far more glaring issues about the whole Flood story than the structural integrity of the boat. Considering at this point we have people who have to invoke teleporting koalas and flying clams to make it work, I'm really kind of unsure where to go next.

Oh, I know, the whole thing is pure fantasy. There is more stuff about it that is impossible than not.
 
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The cited study at least supports the view that it would have floated with the assumptions made.
That says nothing. We need to know the laws in place and the exact materials used. Why try to get it to obey laws that were not in place, or have wood that was of a certain type..etc?
 
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That says nothing. We need to know the laws in place and the exact materials used. Why try to get it to obey laws that were not in place, or have wood that was of a certain type..etc?

The study is not a negative for creationists, at least...that is all. It is significant that the boat was sized by God to be of the right order for the number of creatures it was intended to carry.

I guess it was a good job that the boat wasn't tiny.

The assumptions made are not huge.
 
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That is foolish. How could God directing Noah to build the ark, sending the flood waters, and animals, and closing the door to the ark be 'natural'???

As PsychoSarah said:

Good question, so why do religious people keep arguing it would work without magic?

And you responded with:

Exactly. Of all the people who insist on explaining creation and all things without God, one would think believers would not be among them.

Then we're all in agreement. I (and others) can continue to point out the absurdities of this story, you (and other) can continue to rationalize them by claiming supernatural intervention, whereupon I (and others) will continue to remain unconvinced by your god of the gaps.

But, since you quoted me twice...

Absurd. The reality is that you do not know many things about the ark. Therefore dreaming up one that cannot float properly is your own invention.

I never argued that it couldn't float. The Wyoming, which I compared it too, could float just fine. I argued that a wooden structure of that size wouldn't survive a tsunami, which is something I can evaluate simply knowing the size of it. But as pointed out later in this topic the mechanics of the ark are still the least absurd thing about this whole story.
 
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The reality is that you do not know many things about the ark. Therefore dreaming up one that cannot float properly is your own invention.
Well spoken!
 
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I completely agree with you, if a deity is making talking bushes which are on fire, makes pillars of fire, and has the power to flood the world, I think it could spare a bit of magic to keep the ark floating.
Calling the Ark "magic" and God an "it" is like saying, "She's a wonder drug" when referring to Thalidomide.
 
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I've never taken issue with the idea that the ark could float. Or even that it was structurally sound enough to stay intact in a rough sea. Frankly, I think there are far more glaring issues about the whole Flood story than the structural integrity of the boat. Considering at this point we have people who have to invoke teleporting koalas and flying clams to make it work, I'm really kind of unsure where to go next.
Don't forget my TARDIS booth explanation, either.

Please add that to your misrepresentations too.
I'm really kind of unsure where to go next.
I understand.
 
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I never argued that it couldn't float. The Wyoming, which I compared it too, could float just fine. I argued that a wooden structure of that size wouldn't survive a tsunami, which is something I can evaluate simply knowing the size of it. But as pointed out later in this topic the mechanics of the ark are still the least absurd thing about this whole story.

However, the next phase of research investigated sea-keeping (behaviour and comfort at sea), hull strength, and stability. This began with a Korean study performed at the world-class ship research centre (KRISO) in 1992. The team of nine KRISO researchers was led by Dr. Hong, who is now director-general of the research centre.
The study confirmed that the Ark could handle waves as high as 98 feet (30 m), and that the proportions of the biblical Ark are near optimal—an interesting admission from Dr. Hong, who believes evolutionary ideas, openly claiming “life came from the sea.” The study combined analysis, model wave testing, and ship standards, yet the concept was simple: compare the biblical Ark with other vessels of the same volume but modified in length, width, or depth. Three qualities were measured—stability, hull strength, and comfort.


(From: Was There Really a Noah’s Ark & Flood? - Answers in Genesis)
 
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