Democrats Get Lowest Rating From Voters in 35 Years, WSJ Poll Finds

[A New Dawn]

I can't say. I don't have access to the polling. I will tell you this though, the Dems are horrible at what the GOP is good at. And that's messaging. You can take the economy for example. It becomes perception vs reality. When a Dem is president, the economy pretty much does better. And one more thing. We Americans tend to get our information social media and podcasts and it's hurting us. I will give you an example. I was reading not too long ago where Trump et al wanted to shutter the Dept of Ed. In the Yahoo comment section is was clear from the comments that the vast majority who echoed that sentiment had no idea what the Dept of Ed actually did. Americans don't go the through the 5 whys before they vote, and It's kind of sad.

You must not have seen the chart on the economy that was posted by the official Democratic Party on X a few days ago that showed inflation and prices skyrocketing under Biden and stabilizing under Trump and he misread it and had to take it down because it showed the exact opposite than he thought it said. So the moral of the story is, No, the economy doesn’t do better under democrats.

 

[Say it aint so]

I said that they have come to understand why cuts are being made, which means they understand what the agency does, and therefore understand why certain things are not needed. What you're expressing is not knowing what's being cut and why, and possibly going with the usual hyperbole that they're only out to deprive kids and make them suffer because they want to give the money to the billionaires routine.

"The president wants to return education back to the states, empower those closest to the people to make these very important decisions for our children's lives. And ... this is a first step in that process," White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said to ABC News' Selina Wang when asked about the cuts at the DOE.

It has always been controlled by the states. And Americans have the same misconception.

 

[Say it aint so]

You must not have seen the chart on the economy that was posted by the official Democratic Party on X a few days ago that showed the economy skyrocketing under Biden and stabilizing under Trump and he misread it and had to take it down because it showed the exact opposite than he thought it said. So the moral of the story is, No, the economy doesn’t do better under democrats.

Let me help you out. When the economy skyrockets, that means up which is good.

 

[A New Dawn]

Let me help you out. When the economy skyrockets, that means up which is good.

Thanks for the heads up. I’ll fix it to reflect what it really showed.

 

[ozso]

"The president wants to return education back to the states, empower those closest to the people to make these very important decisions for our children's lives. And ... this is a first step in that process," White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said to ABC News' Selina Wang when asked about the cuts at the DOE.

It has always been controlled by the states. And Americans have the same misconception.

What's being cut at the federal level that's a problem and why is it a problem?

 

[Vambram]

You can choose to ignore the signs. Hopefully others will regain their senses.

All the very clear and rational signs are still showing me that the USA is still a Constitutional Republic with democratically elected representatives.

 

[A New Dawn]

What's being cut at the federal level that's a problem and why is it a problem?

The only thing that the federal level adds to the school programs are funding for meals and IEP programs, etc., and those are going to be covered by other departments so nothing will be lost.

 

[Say it aint so]

What's being cut at the federal level that's a problem and why is it a problem?

Cut and kill the department. Again, you asking that question is making my case. I literally explained what they do. Grants for example and mostly. The cost of a college education is out of reach for most Americans seeing the cost of college in America is the most in the world, or at least at the top. Not too long ago Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy caught Hades because they said America has to depend on bringing in immigrants because there aren't enough educated Americans in the pool of potential hires. What do you think killing the department that provides funding is going to do. Make it better?

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Let's just hope the party doesn’t go so far as to go all the way, in a destructive, rogue state of being. But I'm confident that if it ever went that far, many good minded voters who had remained, wiil also abandon ship, and the party will simply collapse onto itself into nothing.

...With increased calls for aggressiveness and "staying angry", though, we know there is a faction that's there who actually could go that way... Unfortunately. Though they are few in number..

I think that many of these voters are not paying attention. They go about their daily lives, and on election day, they just vote Democrat. In the South, we call them "yellow dog Democrats." Their parents and grandparents voted Democrat, and they just push the party ticket every election. But I also think that many of these are taking notice and maybe, at least, are voting a split ticket on some candidates. Should be an interesting mid-term.

 

[ozso]

Cut and kill the department. Again, you asking that question is making my case. I literally explained what they do. Grants for example and mostly. The cost of a college education is out of reach for most Americans seeing the cost of college in America is the most in the world, or at least at the top. Not too long ago Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy caught Hades because they said America has to depend on bringing in immigrants because there aren't enough educated Americans in the pool of potential hires. What do you think killing the department that provides funding is going to do. Make it better?

I quizzed you to see what kind of answer you'd give.

 

[Say it aint so]

I quizzed you to see what kind of answer you'd give.

I could have cued Captain Obvious.

 

[ozso]

I could have cued Captain Obvious.

It's obvious there's more rhetoric than actual understanding.

 

[rjs330]

You've got a good point there. The Democrats as a party have not listened to the working class in decades, nor even to those in their own party who do.

The problem is the working class doesn't support much of the Democratic positions. Particularly leftist social issues and immigration issues. If the Dems moved away from elitism, leftist social issues and crazy immigration they might get more support. As long as they keep.letting the radicals work and pull rhe party further left they wont get the workers back.

 

[Say it aint so]

It's obvious there's more rhetoric than actual understanding.

Yes. More perception from rhetoric than there is from understanding. Again, the 5 whys.

 

[Fantine]

Republicans support the working class? That's news to me!

 

[Always in His Presence]

Republicans support the working class? That's news to me!

Perhaps that means you need a new source for your information.

Why working-class voters have been shifting toward the Republican Party​

The morning-after reviews of the 2024 votes are clear - the Democratic Party is losing ground among blue-collar workers.​

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BERNIE SANDERS: If you're an average working person out there, do you really think that the Democratic Party is going to the mats, taking on powerful special interests and fighting for you? I think the overwhelming answer is no, and that is what has got to change.​

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FADEL: Paul Clark, a labor and employment relations professor at Penn State University, has been following how working-class people vote for years. He spoke with our colleague Michel Martin, and says the trend of blue-collar workers voting Republican instead of Democrat started in the early 2000s.



PAUL CLARK: It predates Trump, but I think Trump really tapped into it and accelerated the transition. I think the economic issues are certainly part of it. These workers feel like they've been left behind. Globalization has benefited many groups, but not them. There's a certain resentment and anger, and I think Trump has tapped into that. I also think that he's touched on some changes in terms of working-class voters prioritizing social and cultural issues - DEI and racial issues, the number of immigrants coming into many working-class communities, transgenderism, guns, abortion. Trump has really become a part of working-class culture in this country.

 

[rjs330]

How much do you want to bet they will double down on the radicalization of their policies? Push harder, and become more leftist. At this point, they are charting new ground. FDR and Kennedy would roll in their graves.

At this point there is a battle for the Democratic soul. It will be ongoing for the next couple of years. We will see who wins. Mamdani will be a test to see where they are at and an indicator of the fight.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Perhaps that means you need a new source for your information.

Perhaps you need to read carefully what was actually written:

Republicans support the working class? That's news to me!

She didn't say anything about the working class suporting the Republicans, but rather the other way around.

The working class has of course supported the Republicans in the past. Who do you think the "Silent Majority" or the "Reagan Democrats" or the "Religious Right" were? Urban professionals and small business owners all of them?

 

[rjs330]

And a concerted effort on the part of Conservatives to conflate the culture war sex stuff Left with the labor/economy Left,

The culture war is primarily one of the biggest issues for the Democratic Party. Its the war they have pushed, which by the way includes illegal immigration. But its not limited to that as we see with people like Mamdani.

His policies are not strictly social. They include strong leftist economy measures as well. So we will see where the party is headed. AOC is along the same lines and a conglomeration of both social and economic leftism. She and many of her supporters are the same. So, right now there are rising stars that are not either/or. They are both. Thats the battle the Democrtic Party has to wage. Do they want to be both or focus on just worker and economic. We will see how that plays out. I don't believe too many supporters will welcome a labor/economy left. They want both. And thats where they will continue to lose support if they stay on that path.

 

[BCP1928]

The problem is the working class doesn't support much of the Democratic positions. Particularly leftist social issues and immigration issues. If the Dems moved away from elitism, leftist social issues and crazy immigration they might get more support. As long as they keep.letting the radicals work and pull rhe party further left they wont get the workers back.

Exactly my point. The Democrats need to dump their elitist wing and the culture war sex stuff. Let the Christian Right win the culture war--it will be a Pyrrhic victory,