The only possible way out of This mess is

[GoldenBoy89]

That's the point - it's not over Trump. Trump as a person is not now nor ever has been the point.

Yes he most certainly is. I don’t really remember the kind of rhetoric being a thing before he came along. Why would his conviction be the catalyst for civil war if it wasn’t about him?

 

[Hazelelponi]

Yes he most certainly is. I don’t really remember the kind of rhetoric being a thing before he came along. Why would his conviction be the catalyst for civil war if it wasn’t about him?

In 2015-16 I supported Trump because I really liked his platform. I thought his ideas were positive and I was very concerned about Obamas push to get us into an EU style trade agreement where we would be allowing a small group of people to override our own government in matters of immigration and gun control etc.

I have to say, there's nothing the left has done to date, including Biden completely ignoring our immigration laws and throwing the southern border wide open, that leads me to believe this is about anything but policies that Americans want to see.

Trump the person had nothing to do with the Democratic party paying foreign actors to make up a fake dossier to errode public support for his campaign, as well as lie to a star chambers court to surveil their political opponents.

Trump the person had nothing to do with an FBI that was determined to stop Trump from getting into the white house, as well as did everything possible to kick him out against the will of the people once he was in it.

Trump the person didn't cause prosecutors to declare they would convict him of any crimes they could drum up, no matter how false, to keep him out of the white house again, and who then proceeded to try and do just that.

Trump the person isn't causing partisan judges and partisan secretaries of state to decide to remove Trump from the ballots..

It's the POLICIES....

Notice the one thing the left stopped doing was talking with Americans about policies and instead continually treat Americans like second class citizens who don't deserve to have the government address their concerns if we don't support wide open borders and other such idiocy?

Now, because we think our representatives in Congress should be deciding, based on Americans best interests, who what where and how on issues like immigration, we are xenophobic racists even if we ourselves have brown skin with immigrants for parents.

Now, if we don't like Haley's policy platform, we suddenly are racists or hate women, even if we thought Haley was white and we are women.

I can go on and on for days on these issues, but I'm making cakes and a dinner today for someone's birthday..

So I'll simply sum up by saying, the left doesn't hate Trump - they hate me. They hate you. They hate Americans who are simply trying to vote for the policies they think are best for all Americans.

They have another agenda altogether, and it won't benefit any one of us. When they are done with me, they will come after you if you ever fall out of lockstep.

What they are doing is trying to prevent Americans from having the right to vote for and eventually have, policies that benefit people in the nation instead of a global elite.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Maybe he can just think it, and it happens. Like how he thinks declassification works.

-- A2SG, telepathy must be part of his stable genius...

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Quite so. But one does wonder about the level of monstrosity intended by the use of that implied insult by the insulted to the insultee.

This gives a depressing view through the window of perception of the insulter as to what is monstrous or not. But it seems the curtains of restraint and manners have not yet been drawn on said window; particularly surprising on this a Christian website where insults and goading should be frowned on.

I 1,000% think him/her/them resorting to calling me gay like it’s an insult reflects more on their biases and attitudes than anything they are upset at me about.

Like, I’m not insulted, and they thought I would be insulted by being called gay then that sounds like they have an issue with LGBTQA+ people.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

In 2015-16 I supported Trump because I really liked his platform. I thought his ideas were positive and I was very concerned about Obamas push to get us into an EU style trade agreement where we would be allowing a small group of people to override our own government in matters of immigration and gun control etc.

I have to say, there's nothing the left has done to date, including Biden completely ignoring our immigration laws and throwing the southern border wide open, that leads me to believe this is about anything but policies that Americans want to see.

Trump the person had nothing to do with the Democratic party paying foreign actors to make up a fake dossier to errode public support for his campaign, as well as lie to a star chambers court to surveil their political opponents.

Trump the person had nothing to do with an FBI that was determined to stop Trump from getting into the white house, as well as did everything possible to kick him out against the will of the people once he was in it.

Trump the person didn't cause prosecutors to declare they would convict him of any crimes they could drum up, no matter how false, to keep him out of the white house again, and who then proceeded to try and do just that.

Trump the person isn't causing partisan judges and partisan secretaries of state to decide to remove Trump from the ballots..

It's the POLICIES....

Notice the one thing the left stopped doing was talking with Americans about policies and instead continually treat Americans like second class citizens who don't deserve to have the government address their concerns if we don't support wide open borders and other such idiocy?

Now, because we think our representatives in Congress should be deciding, based on Americans best interests, who what where and how on issues like immigration, we are xenophobic racists even if we ourselves have brown skin with immigrants for parents.

Now, if we don't like Haley's policy platform, we suddenly are racists or hate women, even if we thought Haley was white and we are women.

I can go on and on for days on these issues, but I'm making cakes and a dinner today for someone's birthday..

So I'll simply sum up by saying, the left doesn't hate Trump - they hate me. They hate you. They hate Americans who are simply trying to vote for the policies they think are best for all Americans.

They have another agenda altogether, and it won't benefit any one of us. When they are done with me, they will come after you if you ever fall out of lockstep.

What they are doing is trying to prevent Americans from having the right to vote for and eventually have, policies that benefit people in the nation instead of a global elite.

That’s a whole lot of conspiracy stuff for one post.

And Democrats don’t hate you. Even if you vote for Trump. They don’t like Trump because of what he’s doing to the country and how he’s leading on people who should be smart enough to see through him, but they don’t hate you. And no, Democrats won’t “come after me” for not being in “lock step.” There’s plenty of things I don’t agree with Democrats on and they aren’t “coming for” me. That paranoia has been bred into you by Trump and his people, but it’s not representative of any sort of fact. It’s actually a whole coercion technique… When you can’t appeal to them intellectually or through acts/works, use fear. Make them feel afraid and like the only people who can keep you safe are the very people making you scared. They watch as you embrace being a victim and them being your savior.

Democrats aren’t coming for you, they’re not coming for me, and I think if you take a second to sit on it, really sit on it, you know that to be the case too. Nobody is being rounded up, nobody is being taken away. The idea that it could happen? Look at who’s telling you that. See the propaganda for what it is.

 

[Laodicean60]

In 2015-16 I supported Trump because I really liked his platform.

I liked most what he did also during that time. I also liked that he didn't walk his party line. But now his rhetoric is aggressive. He still believes the election was stolen from him and I'm afraid of what he'll try to do to get payback. The country is divided as is and we don't need Trump stirring up more hate.

Notice the one thing the left stopped doing was talking with Americans about policies

I'm a registered Republican but now consider myself independent. What I see from both the left and right is just TALK. I've learned that both parties had good policies but no one was willing to agree because they don't want the sitting President to look good. It's about the party not the people these days.
From the Democrat side, I realize that they were right about the Iraq war. Their criticism of the 1% is true. They were also right about Wall Street. and Wages.
The Republicans were right about the debt and immigration.

How long has the TALK been?

 

[Pommer]

Trump as dictator.

This could be a “good thing”; after seeing how bad it gets with a dictator, we’d be dictator free for quite some time. The 2040s will be just swell in the USA!

 

[returntosender]

I hardly think accusing another poster of being gay on this a Christian website is constructive.

For someone living a blameless life you're sure doing a lot of blame.. there's enough trouble makers on this thread .

 

[Tropical Wilds]

“Trouble makers,” LoL.

 

[A2SG]

I don't thin that Biden is going to shoot anyone, but maybe Liz Cheney's daddy is up for the task[/s]

I don't think he's got the heart.

-- A2SG, oooh, too soon?

 

[Ana the Ist]

A few of your friends came to your side, I'm not your dude, besides i heard you like dudettes. Go somewhere else. You have proven this is too deep for you without your fellow bullies.

Some people find me rude.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Out of what, exactly? Nothing prevents Trump from serving out his term, even if he's incarcerated.

If he wins...he won't be incarcerated. In fact, I suspect all charges will be dropped. No sitting President has ever been charged.

Even if that happens, it won't justify armed insurrection. Just so you know, in case you've made plans.

Whatever people decide "justifies" armed insurrection is exactly what justifies armed insurrection.

The republic is fine.

Nope.

It will survive Trump.

Possibly.

Unless, of course, the SCOTUS awards him the absolute immunity he feels he should have.

They might have to...it's hard to imagine a president in jail, they know a bit too much that's a bit too valuable for that to be a good idea.

If he's jailed, he'll be assassinated.

That would be the worse possible scenario...but, frankly, I still doubt even the highly partisan conservative SCOTUS will see things Trump's way. That way lies madness.

Uh huh.

Let's just imagine someone knows things like...

The security procedures for Air Force 1.

The relative number of nukes for launch at any given time/location.

How large and extensive our chemical weapons division is.

And on and on and on...

Now, do we want to throw that person in jail....and possibly give him a reason to betray the US?

The nation's fine. So far. It hasn't gone anywhere.

-- A2SG, well, not yet anyway...

It's burning out fast.

 

[returntosender]

Some people find me rude.

That's nice

 

[A2SG]

If he wins...he won't be incarcerated. In fact, I suspect all charges will be dropped. No sitting President has ever been charged.

No President, past or current, has ever been indicted either. Or impeached twice. So Trump has already secured his place in history.

I'm sure he'll try to pardon himself on the federal charges, but he's powerless to prevent the state charges, so even if those are stayed while he's in office, they will probably resume on (or about) January 21, 2029.

Whatever people decide "justifies" armed insurrection is exactly what justifies armed insurrection.

I think the judicial system might have some say in the matter. Courts don't often take self-justification into account on such matters.

Nope.

Yup.

Possibly.

Definitely. What damage he incurs in his wake can be undone. And, I fervently believe, will be.

They might have to...it's hard to imagine a president in jail, they know a bit too much that's a bit too valuable for that to be a good idea.

I disagree. Absolute immunity, to the extent that Trump's legal team has been arguing for, is far more damaging to the country and the Constitution than one former president being held accountable for his crimes.

If he's jailed, he'll be assassinated.

I doubt that. Even in jail, he'll have Secret Service protection.

Uh huh.

Let's just imagine someone knows things like...

The security procedures for Air Force 1.

The relative number of nukes for launch at any given time/location.

How large and extensive our chemical weapons division is.

And on and on and on...

Now, do we want to throw that person in jail....and possibly give him a reason to betray the US?

If he's guilty of crimes and sentenced to jail time...yes.

You can't just declare someone above the law because they might abuse the secrets they've been privileged to hold, or because they might violate the oath of office they once held.

It's burning out fast.

We've seen worse.

-- A2SG, and we could see worse still, should Trump get into office again....with the absolute immunity he craves...

 

[returntosender]

There's no reason to believe he won't be in prison before the vote. Once in prison he cannot become president.

 

[A2SG]

There's no reason to believe he won't be in prison before the vote. Once in prison he cannot become president.

Sure he can. The Constitution doesn't say a word to prevent that from happening.

-- A2SG, and other elected officials have served terms of office while incarcerated....

 

[returntosender]

Sure he can. The Constitution doesn't say a word to prevent that from happening.

-- A2SG, and other elected officials have served terms of office while incarcerated....

Were they elected before they were incarcerated?

 

[A2SG]

Were they elected before they were incarcerated?

James Michael Curley, a former Massachusetts governor, ran for his fourth non-consecutive term as Mayor of Boston while under federal indictment. He won. While incarcerated, an acting mayor was appointed, but upon his release, he continued his term.

Joel Caston was elected to the Advisory Neighborhood Commission in Washington DC while incarcerated. The position oversaw the very facility where he was incarcerated, in fact. He started his term of office while still incarcerated, and continued to serve upon his release. In fact, just this month, Caston was nominated to serve on the Washington, D.C. Sentencing Commission, which shapes sentencing guidelines for Washingon DC.

And, for further information, both Eugene V. Debs and Lyndon LaRouche ran for president while incarcerated. Neither won, obviously.

-- A2SG, but they still could try....

 

[returntosender]

Well then i don't believe they will let it happen.

 

[Larniavc]

For someone living a blameless life you're sure doing a lot of blame.. there's enough trouble makers on this thread

Could you stop insulting people?