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Larniavc

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That's the point - it's not over Trump. Trump as a person is not now nor ever has been the point.

The point is whether we are self determing in how we govern the nation, or if the Marxists win and America falls to a tyrannical government.
Can you give an example of a tyranny that would be done to Americans in your imaginary future Marxist America?
 
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That's up to the youth to decide if their futures are worth fighting for....
Given polling and voting results, the youth overwhelmingly see through Don's nonsense. If only other demographics would be as discerning.
 
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“There is a general Democrat strategy to bring criminal or civil charges against the president [Trump]
Remind me again - which candidate made it a campaign promise to lock up his opponent if he won?
 
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First, the Democratic party hasn't brought charges against Donald Trump, several prosecutors and grand juries have. And not all of those are democrats. Second, no one's trying to steal his business, though it may or may not cease due to his own fraudulent activities. And third, by and large, it's been republicans trying to remove Trump from certain state ballots. And that case remains up in the air, pending SCOTUS ruling.


I'd love to see how this can actually be demonstrated. I suspect, though, it will continue to remain as yet another wild conspiracy theory with no substance whatsoever...but feel free to prove me wrong.


By itself, Trump being incarcerated won't create a crisis of any kind; but if certain states choose to create one crisis because of it, they'll have to deal with the repercussions of it.


Nothing, I suspect.


We always have been.

-- A2SG, though, I think we're all bozos on this bus....

There is no GOP, remember.

If you act like a Democrat on important issues, then you are a Democrat. I don't care what you call yourself.

The proof is in the results. Republican investigations never go anywhere. The border never gets controlled. The budget is always out of balance. Democrats love Nikki Haley. Republican leaders hate Trump.

Even if Trump gets elected, Republican leaders will be working with Democrats to undermine him.

Democrats and friends are going after Trump. The "party" is irrelevant. And the "friends" part includes many Republicans. America really isn't a democracy. It just gives the illusion of democracy. I noticed this 20 year ago. Voting rarely seems to matter, with the occasional exception (Trump).

[Note: I had a link problem with the item below. It's fixed now.]

 
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Hemingway: Democrat [2024] Election Rigging Is A Major Crisis For The Country

“There is a general Democrat strategy to bring criminal or civil charges against the president [Trump], try to steal his family business, try to remove his name from the ballot. And this is viewed by a lot of Americans as just completely unfair and anti-democratic."
It seems to me that the solution to this problem was presented by Jim Carey in the movie “Liar, Liar.”

“Stop breaking the law, (redacted)!”
We already know the GOP doesn't actually exist due to heavy Democrat infiltration. So there is no changing the trajectory of the nation. But there is an issue of speed. Trump going to jail will probably create a crisis for conservative states. But what does that even mean?

We're going where we're going. It's too late.
I don’t deny the GOP does not exist anymore, at least, in the way it did. But it’s not because of Democrat infiltration, it’s from infiltration of people who are bonkers. Trump, Guliani, MTG…

The Republican Party that gave us sane people, Bush, Bush Jr, McCain, Romney, even (so help me) Schwarzenegger… That is long gone.
 
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I hardly think accusing another poster of being gay on this a Christian website is constructive.
Especially when the poster being accused doesn’t find that being gay is an insult. ‍
 
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There is no GOP, remember.

If you act like a Democrat on important issues, then you are a Democrat. I don't care what you call yourself.

The proof is in the results. Republican investigations never go anywhere. The border never gets controlled. The budget is always out of balance. Democrats love Nikki Haley. Republican leaders hate Trump.

Even if Trump gets elected, Republican leaders will be working with Democrats to undermine him.

Democrats and friends are going after Trump. The "party" is irrelevant. And the "friends" part includes many Republicans. America really isn't a democracy. It just gives the illusion of democracy. I noticed this 20 year ago. Voting rarely seems to matter, with the occasional exception (Trump).

[Note: I had a link problem with the item below. It's fixed now.]

Here's what all that sounds like: "Hey, I'll insult Republicans by calling them Democrats. Two birds, one stone!"

-- A2SG, at least you're not wasting stones...
 
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There is no GOP, remember.

If you act like a Democrat on important issues, then you are a Democrat. I don't care what you call yourself.

The proof is in the results. Republican investigations never go anywhere. The border never gets controlled. The budget is always out of balance. Democrats love Nikki Haley. Republican leaders hate Trump.

Even if Trump gets elected, Republican leaders will be working with Democrats to undermine him.

Democrats and friends are going after Trump. The "party" is irrelevant. And the "friends" part includes many Republicans. America really isn't a democracy. It just gives the illusion of democracy. I noticed this 20 year ago. Voting rarely seems to matter, with the occasional exception (Trump).

[Note: I had a link problem with the item below. It's fixed now.]

Democrats don’t like Nikki Haley…?

And this sounds a lot like “Republicans don’t exist because anybody who doesn’t agree with me is a traitor to the party.” At what point does self reflection kick in and people start asking “if so many GOP are against this guy, maybe I’m the one on the wrong bus?”
 
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Trump deserves to be in jail but A2 is right… A conviction and jail time will not bar him from serving and you best believe he and the Republicans will fight tooth and nail to see him serve even if his address will be the Federal Pen instead of Pennsylvania Avenue. Thats why we should be particularly aware of who his VP is as there’s darn good chance they may be the ones running things. I’m wondering if he will choose Nikki but suspect DeSantis dropped early to make inroads.

I’m also fortifying myself for the contesting of something so that, should he win, he feels justified in serving a third term. I don’t see any scenario where that he would serve a third term, but having a candidate run or people write him in would create chaos for Republicans and likely craft the type of candidates they put forward. IE less moderates, more crazies.
State Pen. If it’s federal, he just pardons himself.
 
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State Pen. If it’s federal, he just pardons himself.
I’m not convinced he won’t pull a Micheal Scott and just announce he pardons himself wherever he is and expect that to hold.
 
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I’m not convinced he won’t pull a Micheal Scott and just announce he pardons himself wherever he is and expect that to hold.
Maybe he can just think it, and it happens. Like how he thinks declassification works.

-- A2SG, telepathy must be part of his stable genius...
 
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Isn't he a dem?
Even though the polls you guys post-show Trump leading Biden. If Trump doesn't go to prison I still don't think it's an automatic win for that loon. I mention RFKjr because I saw him on YouTube a couple of months ago. He is a dem running as an independent and I hear he taking votes from both parties but no evidence. The only problem I have with Biden is that if something happens to him physically Harris steps in and I don't think she would be good for the country at all.
 
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First, the Democratic party hasn't brought charges against Donald Trump, several prosecutors and grand juries have.
This is a fact but the belief in a "witch hunt" is still alive in many Republicans's minds because of Russian collusion.
 
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Remind me again - which candidate made it a campaign promise to lock up his opponent if he won?
As one who has held a TS clearance at one time do believe that anyone who violates their security clearance should be punished by the law, just like us serfs do.
 
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This is a fact but the belief in a "witch hunt" is still alive in many Republicans's minds because of Russian collusion.
Well, you never know what conspiracy theories people will believe in. Heck, some think Elvis is still alive,

-- A2SG, and Arthur Conan Doyle believed in fairies...
 
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Well, you never know what conspiracy theories people will believe in. Heck, some think Elvis is still alive,

-- A2SG, and Arthur Conan Doyle believed in fairies...
And Bruce Lee!
 
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Well, you never know what conspiracy theories people will believe in. Heck, some think Elvis is still alive,

-- A2SG, and Arthur Conan Doyle believed in fairies...
Let’s not know people who believe in faries. I’ve been to the Black Forest in Germany, I’ve been to Centralia, I’ve seen pictures of fairy paths in Ireland…

My feelings were best summed up by a rando on Reddit: “I’m not saying I believe in everything, but I don’t mess with them, just in case.” ^_^
 
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Especially when the poster being accused doesn’t find that being gay is an insult. ‍
Quite so. But one does wonder about the level of monstrosity intended by the use of that implied insult by the insulted to the insultee.

This gives a depressing view through the window of perception of the insulter as to what is monstrous or not. But it seems the curtains of restraint and manners have not yet been drawn on said window; particularly surprising on this a Christian website where insults and goading should be frowned on.
 
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Trump's the only one arguing for tyranny, what with his claim of absolute immunity for the office of President.

-- A2SG, wonder if Trump realizes that, should he win that argument, President Biden could publicly shoot him, and then resign...and he'd never face criminal charges....
I don't thin that Biden is going to shoot anyone, but maybe Liz Cheney's daddy is up for the task[/s]
 
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