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The only fruit I refuse to eat.

Do you partake of the forbidden fruit of Eden?

  • Yes I do.

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  • No I do not.

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The apple is not mentioned in the Genesis account so your initial premise is flawed, pitifully. There are a million and one things wrong in this world; the apple ain't one of them.

But let's assume the literal apple has the power you suggest. And, let's further assume that the world takes your guidance to heart and no one eats apples. What will have changed? Will hungry people be fed, hurting people find comfort, broken relationships become healed? What good does abstinence from apples bring about? Nothing. Nada.



Never once in my opening post did I suggest spreading the abstinence of apples to anybody.
Those issues you mentioned are unrelated to to the topic in hand, besides your mention of hunger which I guess needs addressing.
Yes, I imagine 99% of people would choose to eat an offered apple if they were hungry.
But I've made a personal choice. I'd refuse the apple.
Please don't accuse me of preaching, I'm merely discussing my own personal ethics based around what I genuinely to perceive to be to the forbidden fruit.

I'm not absolute in any belief though, hence the open discussion of what could and could not be forbidden fruits according to the laws of Eden.

Right now, we've ruled out Figs, since they share a lot with the Hebrew bible and we've ruled out Pomegranates since they go even further back and both are spoken with positivity and earnest.

If nothing else 'public hermit' don't take life too seriously. I think it's interesting to discuss the symbology of ancient fruit and relative mentions in the books and scriptures.
 
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If nothing else 'public hermit' don't take life too seriously. I think it's interesting to discuss the symbology of ancient fruit and relative mentions in the books and scriptures.

Fine. You'll have to forgive me, it's just my allegiance to the Apple Growers Association of America compels a fitting response to any degradation of apples.

Eat more apples, y'all.
 
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Since the idea of an apple being the forbidden fruit of Eden is from people, and not found in scripture, and since many other fruits, such as figs and dates, are more common to that area, the fruit in question was most likely not an apple. Note that Adam and Eve weren't warned about fruit growing in an orchard, but only from one tree. As another poster said, it was more likely a special and unique fruit that existed in only that one place.

People have the freedom to choose what they eat and don't eat. Personally, my "forbidden fruit" is a Big Mac or anything like it...with fries.
 
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This is either severe confusion, satire, or pure mysticism. The fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is not apples. We can know this because the two trees — that of the knowledge of good and evil, and that of life, were holy trees — that is, unique and set apart from other trees in creation.

Although their fruit is often depicted as apples in art, we simply don't know what they looked like. We can only know that they were real and tangible, not figurative, and holy, both in the sense that they were set apart and not common, and that they had a holy promise attached to them.

When we consider sin, it's good to contemplate the Commandments, which are a summary of the moral law, and the Jerusalem Council's decree in Acts 15, where we can see the freedom we have in Christ. Eating apples are not forbidden by the Commandments, nor in Acts 15, nor by ceremonial law in the Old Testament, for that matter, which we are not bound by, since they culminated in Christ.

To eat apples is not a sin. To refrain from eating apples is not a sin. But to forbid others to eat apples is a sin.
 
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Wow. Apples are awesome, I've eaten them since I was a child. I ate two yesterday. How can (wow, I literally had to pause here) how can anyone think that eating a specific kind of fruit can be bad because of mythology? I'm at a loss for words.
 
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Wow. Apples are awesome, I've eaten them since I was a child. I ate two yesterday. How can (wow, I literally had to pause here) how can anyone think that eating a specific kind of fruit can be bad because of mythology? I'm at a loss for words.

not mythological but allegorical
 
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Ok, so which fruit was in the myth? Does it even matter? Fruit is awesome, sweet, goodness. If allegory, why would an all powerful being put a fruit bearing tree (again, fruit is awesome) in the middle of a garden and roll up a newspaper and yell No! Turns out in the myth that it was the all powerful ruler that lied - they did not die. Of course, that is if you believe the mythology. Again, apples are awesome. Granny smiths, and pink ladies are among my favorites.
 
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Ok, so which fruit was in the myth? Does it even matter? Fruit is awesome, sweet, goodness. If allegory, why would an all powerful being put a fruit bearing tree (again, fruit is awesome) in the middle of a garden and roll up a newspaper and yell No! Turns out in the myth that it was the all powerful ruler that lied - they did not die. Of course, that is if you believe the mythology. Again, apples are awesome. Granny smiths, and pink ladies are among my favorites.

two fruits of one tree ... pictures of a deeper truth ... in the bible the tree of knowledge of good and evil and the tree of life are pictured as a fig tree, but not limited to this ... Adam ate of the tree before the commandment was spoken ... we all eat of this tree ... i can explain this further if you like ....
 
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I mean, sure. I actually have 3 different fig trees in my yard and they are wonderful when ripe. Perhaps you could describe how, back in the day before splicing, that there were 2 fruits from one tree. What do you think it means that there is a deeper truth? I've never eaten from this tree, but still very much enjoy the fruit of many trees.
 
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I mean, sure. I actually have 3 different fig trees in my yard and they are wonderful when ripe. Perhaps you could describe how, back in the day before splicing, that there were 2 fruits from one tree. What do you think it means that there is a deeper truth? I've never eaten from this tree, but still very much enjoy the fruit of many trees.

as i said its allegorical, i am not speaking of literal fruits and trees ... these are pictures of deeper truths which relate to the law of our mind ...
 
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Ok, so you speak of the allegory of the fruit. Could you lay out the allegory of a being providing a fruit tree with the benefit of the knowledge of good and evil in plain sight and then being told to not partake of the knowledge? Where might the deeper truth lay here? And, as an aside, what truth is deeper than another? Cheers :)
 
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Ok, so you speak of the allegory of the fruit. Could you lay out the allegory of a being providing a fruit tree with the benefit of the knowledge of good and evil in plain sight and then being told to not partake of the knowledge? Where might the deeper truth lay here? And, as an aside, what truth is deeper than another? Cheers :)

excellent question ... this has everything to do with the law of our mind ... think of it this way ... when a law is created the opposite to it is also (a double edged sword in picture) the law was in effect before it was spoken, but when it was spoken as a commandment the opposite to this law is revealed ( keeping or not keeping ) so to speak ... Jesus put it this way

"If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have had sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin"

which goes into being naked and not ashamed and naked and ashamed, but more on that later should you want to continue on with this dialogue ..

the book speaks to to types of knowledge ( as it does with wisdom & understanding )


it is/was Gods intention they/we eat from this tree bearing two fruits ...
 
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Thanks for your response. To take it in reverse, if it was God's intention, then God got what he wanted - no punishment required. Above: What are you talking about regarding laws being created and then their opposites? Generally, in my experience, dumbing it down, laws say nothing except - Don't. "Don't kill people" There is no other law that that says "It is only lawful to not kill people". This double edged sword seems just like poetic license. The naked and ashamed / naked not ashamed is just a dichotomy. I'm really upset when my dog eats a chunk of food that may fall on the carpet, but it I put (allowed) it there, it is not the dog's fault - its mine. In the story, God provided the pepperoni and then got mad when the dog ate it. Where is the allegorical problem? What is the moral to the story?
 
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Thanks for your response. To take it in reverse, if it was God's intention, then God got what he wanted - no punishment required. Above: What are you talking about regarding laws being created and then their opposites? Generally, in my experience, dumbing it down, laws say nothing except - Don't. "Don't kill people" There is no other law that that says "It is only lawful to not kill people". This double edged sword seems just like poetic license. The naked and ashamed / naked not ashamed is just a dichotomy. I'm really upset when my dog eats a chunk of food that may fall on the carpet, but it I put (allowed) it there, it is not the dog's fault - its mine. In the story, God provided the pepperoni and then got mad when the dog ate it. Where is the allegorical problem? What is the moral to the story?

yes ... to understand this is to understand that their is God and then there is the perception of god ... the god in the beginning of the book is not our Father but our perception of Him ... a perception Jesus did away with even calling all those who came before him thieves and robbers, which is to say they were all liars ... but this not out of the order of things as division/separation part and parcel of the process of our soul ...

but lets keep to the tree and its fruits for now even though everything speaks to this ...

knowledge is what comes from between the comparison of two opposites for example, how do you know what is up without the concept of down and visa versa ... or hot or cold, good or bad, sweet or sour and the list goes on and on and on ...

to keep the law one must first break it so one understands what they are keeping ...

it says in the book He is writing His law in us at this time and whether we understand this or not at this time changes nothing ...
 
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Hi Honey Badger. You started your response with the word "yes", but what did that word refer to? You can't just start a sentence with "yes" and then not refer to the question. When you replied, to what did "yes" refer? Knowledge comes from comparing our thoughts and experiences to the real world. Claiming that knowledge comes from comparing opposites, like up and down, hot or cold is meaningless. I can use a 3 axis accelerometer to compare the body in question to its relative acceleration. I can use a thermometer to determine the relative temperature in the same manner. The list goes on, and on... I don't have to break a "law" to suddenly have some understanding about the law, I can just read what the law says. As far as I'm aware, I'm not even able to break the "laws of physics" - not laws judicially, but descriptions of how the world works as we currently understand them. You claim time changes nothing. Where are you getting this nonsense? Time changes everything, day by day. Hour by hour. Cut (to bring it back) an apple in half and leave it for micro-organisms to discover. Day by day, hour by hour, minute by minute, moment by moment you can watch as they colonize and consume the fruit. This is demonstrable, day by day. Children learn this in school. Sorry for the long response, but, what are you even talking about?
 
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Hi Honey Badger. You started your response with the word "yes", but what did that word refer to? You can't just start a sentence with "yes" and then not refer to the question. When you replied, to what did "yes" refer? Knowledge comes from comparing our thoughts and experiences to the real world. Claiming that knowledge comes from comparing opposites, like up and down, hot or cold is meaningless. I can use a 3 axis accelerometer to compare the body in question to its relative acceleration. I can use a thermometer to determine the relative temperature in the same manner. The list goes on, and on... I don't have to break a "law" to suddenly have some understanding about the law, I can just read what the law says. As far as I'm aware, I'm not even able to break the "laws of physics" - not laws judicially, but descriptions of how the world works as we currently understand them. You claim time changes nothing. Where are you getting this nonsense? Time changes everything, day by day. Hour by hour. Cut (to bring it back) an apple in half and leave it for micro-organisms to discover. Day by day, hour by hour, minute by minute, moment by moment you can watch as they colonize and consume the fruit. This is demonstrable, day by day. Children learn this in school. Sorry for the long response, but, what are you even talking about?

yes to ... no punishment required ... God is not punishing us for something He caused ...

how would you appreciate a good experience if you have no bad experience to compare it too ?

the law i am speaking to is the law of our mind ... thus far i am just laying out the ground work so we can go deeper into it ... as to what it is in relation to self ...

the law of our mind has everything to do with perception in relation to what seeds it ..
 
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The humble apple.

Why, you might ask?
Why the biblical apple of Eden?
Science dictates an average apple contains fiber and antioxidants, and may help with such physical ailments such as heart disease, cancer and diabetes.
But does it though?

They say an apple a day keeps the Doctor away. This may be true. But does it keep 'you know who' away? SATAN?
The answer is no.

The 'humble' apple was the fruit that Adam stole to impress Eve. Point being, it was the first fruit, the cursed fruit.
A poem always stuck with me.
'Red, green or anywhere between, trust not of this fruit. Baked in a pie or picked from a tree, the lie grows larger if you share the apple with me. The pie is a lie and so is the apple, but a bite of this fruit and you'll be crying in the chapel.'
It's a poem as old as time, but one that continues to provide wisdom.
Some men lay orchards and groves. Some wives use them for pies.
Those people are weak.

Some may consider my apple-aversion as a bit extreme, but I think it's healthy to avoid such temptations. There's plenty of other fruit we can be growing or eating and at the end of the day it's a deliberate aversion rather than an allergy.

In this day and age it becomes tougher by the day to avoid the consumption of apples, especially with the likes of commercial temples like so called 'supermarkets' and 'mega-malls' selling applies in bulk, or juice companies pulping such juice into cartons and selling them off to ignorant consumers. Apples can be found in fruit salads or mixed in with other refreshing fruit juices microscopically. Apples can be found in flavored 'smoking' vapes and crumbles and strudels and football and television. It might be legal, but it's frustrating.

Check the label. I guess that's what I'm getting at. Or ask whoever it is that's serving you and don't take no for an answer..
'Does this contain apple? If so, get rid of it, I don't want to look at it'.
That's all you need to say.

Now back to the bible.

The apple stole paradise from man. Or more precisely, it was the greed of man that wanted more than paradise (perhaps on the whims of his woman [Eve]) and his bite of the apple took paradise away, or the snake deceived him - knowing that the tempation of man with paradise up his sleeve lacked the one fruit, dangling the forbidden fruit above man, like a carrot above a donkey. Only to be banished.
It's a convuloted story with blame being placed all over the place, but the ultimate lesson is:
Apples are a no go.
Sorry, but no.

These are the first lessons.
And lessons I am sure to never repeat.

If you have a tree that does not bear good fruit, what to do with it?

One telling tells, chop it down why should it take up space, then another said, let us fertilize and water it and give it more time.

Faith is the root, trust is the trunk and the branches bear fruit, good or not so good.

Thereof, a good tree bears good fruit.

How often does one take a bite of any fruit thinking it to taste sweet, only to spit it out
it was too sour for consumption.

Isaiah 58:4-11.
 
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