But they all do start when The leader of the OWG conquers Beulah and sits in the Temple.They all cannot start at the mid-point and be within the 7 year 70th week.
There are many details I have omitted, as I have kept it consise and simple.I don't see anything on your list of the person having been killed and come back to life, nor why.
Who the false prophet has the world make an image of.
I don't see anything on your list of the world worshiping that person.
Nor his image.
No, it is contrary to Keras, who has the the 30 days and 45 days extending beyond the 70th week, and is claiming a "re-dedication of the temple"- but has yet to provide any end-time scriptures of re-dedication of the temple.As verse 11 plainly says: From the time the regular offering and the AoD is set up, 1290 days will elapse.
Your idea of it starting at day 1185, is contrary to scripture.
You are leaving out from your list three of the most important elements of the 7 year 70th week. (1) The worshiping of the beast. (2) The person being killed and why. (3) And the person coming back to life.There are many details I have omitted, as I have kept it consise and simple.
This kind of rebuttal is useless and just pedantic nonsense.
You have taken them all out of context because you don't have a timeline chart of how they all fit together - one picture. You have left out major biblical events of that picture (which I listed three above) that makes the interpretations you have made in your list in-cohesive as a valid scenario.I provided 93 Bible verses to support my post #59. Are any of them wrong or taken out of context?
It is in 2 Maccabees 10:1-8, when the 2nd Temple was rededicated after the defeat of Antiochus 4th. Daniel 8:9-14, is all a fulfilled prophecy of that time. 167 to 164 BC.What the text actually says is the temple will be cleansed (of those things which have made it desolate, implied).
ALL Douggg? Just give one, a single example of a verse I have used that doesn't fit where I have used it.You have taken them all out of context
But that is not end times.It is in 2 Maccabees 10:1-8, when the 2nd Temple was rededicated after the defeat of Antiochus 4th. Daniel 8:9-14, is all a fulfilled prophecy of that time. 167 to 164 BC.
A decree was promulgated that Israel would celebrate the 25th Kislev every year, the Hanukkah feast of candle lighting. Which the Jews have kept.
What end times text says the temple will be rededicated?This was a precursor for the rededication of the new 3rd Temple, to happen 75 days after Jesus Returns.
I gave you the text a couple of times already of the critical event of the person having been killed and comeback to life and worshiped that you have left out.ALL Douggg? Just give one, a single example of a verse I have used that doesn't fit where I have used it.
Show how it and the context fits another event, and what that other event is.
When I don't, as in making wrong date predictions, then I apologize for my personal error.
But I make no apology when I point out prophesies that contradict the weird and fanciful beliefs of many people.
My OP on this thread has some very important information for us today. Ignoring it and castigating the messenger, is the height of stupidity.
No it does not. He was talking to the jews about not being deceived by a false messiah.Jesus said: Take care to not be deceived......
This statement shows that being deceived IS possible for Christians
People are becoming more and more apprehensive about the future, as we experience a proliferation of natural disasters, with increasing political and economic problems, coupled with shortages of food and resources, mostly due to overpopulation.
But, the most obvious and the prophesied flash point of danger is the Middle East. The very existence of the State of Israel in their midst is an anathema to all the Islamic peoples. Psalms 83 lists the origins of those people who will conspire to ‘wipe out Israel as a nation’.
When their attack commences, God will then answer the prayer of Psalms 83:13-18 Scatter them, my God, like thistledown, as a fire raging through the forest. Terrify them with Your storm winds, let them suffer disgrace and perish.
Many prophecies state how the Lord will act on this Day of His vengeance and wrath:
Micah 4:11-12 But now, many nations are massed against you, they say; Let Zion suffer, we will gloat over her downfall. They do not know God’s purpose – He has gathered them as sheaves for the threshing. Matthew 3:12
Psalms 37:13-15 The Lord will laugh at the wicked, their judgement is coming. They have prepared their weapons, but their swords will pierce their own hearts.
Isaiah 66:15-16 See: The Lord is coming in fire, bringing His retribution and anger. He will judge with fire and sword to test all mankind. All the wicked will die.
Deuteronomy 32:41-42 I will sharpen My flashing sword and take vengeance on those who hate Me. Nahum 1:2
Malachi 4:1 The Day comes, burning like a furnace, all evildoers will be as stubble, destroyed in a fiery blaze. 2 Peter 3:7, Hebrews 10:27
Isaiah 30:26-33 The sun will shine with seven times its normal brightness. On that Day He will protect and save His people. See; the Lord Himself comes from afar, His anger blazing and His doom heavy. With fire, He sieves the nations for destruction. Isaiah 63:1-6, Revelation 6:12-17
Ref: REB, some verses condensed.
There are many other Bible passages that describe this Day. What we can establish from them is;
1/ It is this event that takes people unawares – that ‘comes as a thief’. Much later, for the glorious Return of Jesus, we are given the exact time from certain events.
2/ It will be a worldwide event, of 24-36 hours duration. Isaiah 29:5-6, Psalms 50:1-4
3/ The Lord will actually cause fire to destroy His enemies, by the means of a CME sunstrike. Their own weapons will contribute to their destruction, the heat flash and the intense electromagnetic pulse will make rockets and explosives detonate on the ground. Psalms 7:12-16, Joel 3:4
4/ His Righteous people will be kept safe and in a short time; Isaiah 29:17, they will gather and settle in the new country of Beulah: Isaiah 62:4, Isaiah 35:1-10, Jeremiah 31:7-14, Ezekiel 34:11-31
Jesus was talking to the disciples. They were the first Christians. We are the result of their evangelizing.No it does not. He was talking to the jews about not being deceived by a false messiah.
I am not a prophet and have never claimed to be one. I am a messenger, as my name says.Again, why should we agree with your position, which is just 1 out of a thousand end time theories which just keeps moving the goal posts, when you have been wrong before on your futurist predictions?
I am not a prophet and have never claimed to be one. I am a messenger, as my name says.The Message I promote is just what the real Prophets said. That you disagree with them, is your prerogative, but to abuse the messenger is your disgrace.
As is plain to most people, we still await the fulfilment of most of the prophesies.Acts 3:28 Indeed, all the prophets from Samuel on, as many as have spoken, have proclaimed these days
As is plain to most people, we still await the fulfilment of most of the prophesies.
Your belief that they are fulfilled, is not correct and is contrary to Paul's admonition in 1 Thess 5:1-5
The dead know nothing, they lie in their graves. Job 14:10, Isaiah 38:18,
Its always good for to be alert and clearheaded.Keras, How do you reconcile THIS:
With THIS:
Why would Paul admonish them (the 1st century church in Thessaloniki) to stay alert and clear-headed (v 6)...when he knew full well that would be an impossibility for them to do in the grave for ~2000 years?
The Prophets will be vindicated! And those who promote their prophesies and who help people to understand them, will be too.
Your belief that they are fulfilled, is not correct and is contrary to Paul's admonition in 1 Thess 5:1-5
Right; Isaiah 28:14-15 refers to this treaty between the new nation of Beulah and the leader of the OWG. They will be punished for it. Daniel 11:32-35
As a retired builder, I know very well how to draw and read plans. They give the sizes and construction shapes. But what is also needed is the Specification, which sets out the details and the standards required.
With your chart, as soon as I saw that you had misplaced the Sixth Seal, I just rejected all of it.
You do realize, or you should; that to move around the given sequence of Revelation, constitutes a taking away or adding to, that Book?
I post again a sequence of the end time events. I have yet to have any comments, good or bad on it.
Soon to happen: The great and terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, a CME sunstrike. Isaiah 30:26-28 & 30, Malachi 4:1 & 3 It will be the Sixth Seal event of cosmic and worldwide effects and the Middle East will be virtually depopulated, cleared and cleansed, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18 It will be the fulfilment of Psalms 83, Isaiah 2:12-21, 2 Peter 3:7 and Revelation 6:12-17 A small Messianic Jewish remnant will survive in Jerusalem. Isaiah 6:11-13, Isaiah 29:1-4 Many will die around the world: Isaiah 51:6, Jeremiah 9:22, but most will survive and eventually re-establish the infrastructure.
The Seventh seal is ‘about’ a 20 year time gap, from the Sixth Seal, until the Return of Jesus.
In a short while: Isaiah 29:17, all the holy Land will be regenerated and the Lord’s people, Christian Israelites, be they true descendants of Jacob or grafted in, all born again believers; will gather in the new country of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5, Isaiah 35:1-10 They will live in peace and prosperity and 144,000 missionaries are selected from them, to go out to all peoples and proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Revelation 7 & 14, Isaiah 66:19
The rest of the nations will form a One World Government, led by ten Presidents. Daniel 7:24, Revelation 17:12 Before long, three will be taken over and the other seven will confer their power onto another strong leader. Daniel 11:21, Revelation 13:1-8
After a few years: a Northern confederation, led by a person referred to as Gog, will be motivated to attack Beulah – an unprotected nation, of great wealth. Gog and his horde will be totally wiped out and it will take seven years to bury them and clean the land. Ezekiel 38 & 39, Joel 2:20
Sometime later, the strong leader of the World Government, will make a seven year treaty with Beulah. This marks the commencement of the seventieth ‘week’ [seven years] of Daniel. There is a 3½ year period of calm and peace in the world. Daniel 9:27
After that: the world dictator comes to Jerusalem in force and declares himself to be god in the new Temple. This starts the Great Tribulation, the Trumpet and Bowl judgements. The ‘Woman’- Christian Israelites who refused to violate the Covenant, Daniel 11:32, are taken to a place of safety for 1260 days. Zechariah 14:2, Revelation 12:14
Then comes the Glorious Return of Jesus: The battle of Armageddon, Jesus destroys the army of the Anti-Christ by the Sword of His Word and chains up Satan.
The regathering of Christians, all those who have kept faithful. Matthew 24:30-31
The 1000 year Millennium reign of King Jesus and His resurrected saints.
The final attack against the holy Land and the armies are instantly cremated. Satan is cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 16:13-16, Revelation 19:17-21
The Great White Throne judgement, and a New Heaven and a New Earth. Daniel 7:9-10, Revelation chapters 20:11-15 & 21:1-7
I vehemently disagree with all of your ideas.
The signs that preceed the glorious Return of Jesus are absolutly not the same as what will happen at the soon to happen Sixth Seal worldwide disaster. Some similarities, but plainly not the same event.
Lastly, the 6th Seal is in association with the abomination.
Matt 24
29“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
These signs are the same as at the 6th Seal in Revelation 6:12-14.
Where, if anywhere, does the attempt to rebuild Isreal with a temple, come into "End Times" (in your view)?
I have no position on this myself (a rareity in itself! ) so am asking without any agenda.
I vehemently disagree with all of your ideas.
Beulah will be a nation of Christians. Only the faithful people of God will be allowed to live there. Isaiah 35:8-10, Ezekiel 20:34-38 make that clear.
However, as Isaiah 28:14-15 prophesies, their leaders at that time; will make the mistake of agreeing to a 7 year treaty of peace with the Leader of the One World Govt. I see that treaty as one of mutual trade cooperation and to not interfere with one another's affairs.
The signs that preceed the glorious Return of Jesus are absolutly not the same as what will happen at the soon to happen Sixth Seal worldwide disaster. Some similarities, but plainly not the same event.
Proved by how Matthew 24:29a and Revelation 15:1 say the Tribulation and the Lord's wrath are over before Jesus Returns.
No it isn't.Isn't it obvious that the 'trumpet call' is the gathering at the 7th Seal and the 'last trumpet' gathering up of the 2 witnesses before the 7th Trumpet?