The Nothing Link

[yeshuaslavejeff]

God failed to warn Adam, Eve, Cain and a host of other people about the risk of Hell?

same as above.

 

[Hillsage]

Christianity has recognized universalism as heresy for thousands of years.

It was only with the coming of the great apostasy church that our theological truth became your orthodox heresy. Your truth came from the same church that brought along infant baptism, purgatory....which I'm sure an Anabaptist heretic like you disagrees with....right? You continually prove yourself to just being another cut/paste crusader for your niche of Christianity Jeff.

I've never seen anyone refute this next statement. So why don't you take it on. I know you've seen it before but never a comeback. Come on, prove something wrong here.

"The Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge"
by Schaff-Herzog, 1908, volume 12, page 96
German theologian- Philip Schaff writes :

"In the first five or six centuries of Christianity there were six theological schools, of which four (Alexandria, Antioch, Caesarea, and Edessa, or
Nisibis) were Universalist, one (Ephesus) accepted conditional immortality; one (Carthage or Rome) taught endless punishment of the wicked. Other
theological schools are mentioned as founded by Universalists, but their actual doctrine on this subject is not known."

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Your truth came from the same

stop right there.... no.... it didn't.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I've never seen anyone refute this next statement.

"The Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge"
by Schaff-Herzog, 1908, volume 12, page 96
German theologian- Philip Schaff writes :

The source is false, so there's no need to refute it. This is perhaps the most common error for people today, (as always?)...
They go with, or build upon, sand.

 

[Lazarus Short]

same as above.

"Same as above" - where? Some of your previous posts make little sense to me.

 

[Lazarus Short]

stop right there.... no.... it didn't.

From a Universalist standpoint, it is very clear that it did.

 

[Lazarus Short]

The source is false, so there's no need to refute it. This is perhaps the most common error for people today, (as always?)...
They go with, or build upon, sand.

Proof? Calling a source false does not make it false. You should know that.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Proof? Calling a source false does not make it false. You should know that.

Not so.
Most sources in the world and on the internet are false.

If they are not proven true, they remain false, or at least untrusted - sand, nothing to build upon.

p.s. IF a source results in and teaches a false teaching, it is false.

 

[Lazarus Short]

Not so.
Most sources in the world and on the internet are false.

If they are not proven true, they remain false, or at least untrusted - sand, nothing to build upon.

p.s. IF a source results in and teaches a false teaching, it is false.

Well then, we just need to determine which teachings are false, and which true.

I maintain that Limbo, Purgatory and Hell are false.

You seem to maintain that at least Hell is true.

If we do not trust the www or the world in general, we should look to God for the answer.

With that said, my BIG takeaway from two years spent in the KJV, is this:

God both desires and is able to save all. If you know that, the rest is minor stuff.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Well then, we just need to determine which teachings are false, and which true.

Why ?

 

[Lazarus Short]

Why ?

Why? Because we might need to get beyond "Just believe it."

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Why? Because we might need to get beyond "Just believe it."

Going from "Just believe it" when believing something false (already proven false),
to claiming to try to determine which teachings are false, and which true,
is failed already (and apparently continually)...

Instead, just believe the truth. Don't build on any false teachings nor heresies, especially those already proven false a long time , and totally contrary to God's Word (God's Word is True).

Then, as God Directs, as God Reveals, those things that are already known to be false do not even need to be considered, and should not be thought about, and should not be permitted in any meeting of believers.

 

[Lazarus Short]

Already proven false? I did not see your proof. Dogmatic pronouncements do not cut it with me. As I said, I consulted the KJV, rich in Hell theology and language, and found it to be false on that issue.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Already proven false? I did not see your proof.

Nor likely will you see the proof anywhere, unless first turning to Yahuweh for His Way and His Granting Understanding.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Already proven false? I did not see your proof. Dogmatic pronouncements do not cut it with me. As I said, I consulted the KJV, rich in Hell theology and language, and found it to be false on that issue.

Finding something false, does not mean that you can nor should call something else that is true false, nor call something else that is false true as done with the heresy of universalism.

Consult who ?

Does any man lack wisdom - let him ask God.... and not expect God to grant anything to someone who is double-minded (someone who only 'asks' God, but does not want to know what God Says- they want to continue in what they think in error) ....

 

[Hillsage]

The source is false, so there's no need to refute it. This is perhaps the most common error for people today, (as always?)...
They go with, or build upon, sand.

And you are false too, just like your 'Johnny come lately' theological position. A theological position which has simply morphed from the false apostasy denomination which preceded where all denominations were birthed from. Do you not see that? How can you not know, that the foundation your 'Anabaptist' POV stands on, goes back to how many different morphs in mainline Orthodoxy.

Our position has been "proven" as you challenged in your #68 post. The problem is you can't see it. WE USED TO BELIEVE LIKE YOU JEFF. We look back, and know where WE WERE WRONG. You stand there and judge us as one who thinks way more highly of himself than he ought. I feel sorry for you.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

WE USED TO BELIEVE LIKE YOU JEFF. We look back, and know where WE WERE WRONG. You stand there and judge us as one who thinks way more highly of himself than he ought. I feel sorry for you.

Too bad you no longer believe as I do , it would be well for you, instead of being tricked.
yes, all the cults "feel sorry for me".....
since that is the nature of false schools, they teach all their members like that I guess...
and I won't be dissuaded to the false teachings,
to change like you and other do/did/ ...
away from Jesus Christ, trusting in the Father, and relying on Him always.

 

[Lazarus Short]

To paraphrase Joni Mitchell...

I've looked at Hell from both sides now

from "Give up Hope" to "We're free at last,"

it's Hell's illusions I recall...

Thank God! That's all in the past.

 

[Lazarus Short]

Finding something false, does not mean that you can nor should call something else that is true false, nor call something else that is false true as done with the heresy of universalism.

Consult who ?

Does any man lack wisdom - let him ask God.... and not expect God to grant anything to someone who is double-minded (someone who only 'asks' God, but does not want to know what God Says- they want to continue in what they think in error) ....

Why do you call me "double-minded"? To do so, I would need to believe in damnation, annihilation and universal reconciliation, or a combination. My doubts are gone, and I have stepped into the light. I invite you to do so as well. BTW, First Corinthians 15:24-28, the furthest out in time the Bible mentions, the Kingdom is fully reconciled to God. Paul wrote of reconciliation, but he never wrote of hell.

As long as you judge universal reconciliation to be a heresy, a priori, you will never be able to make a sound judgment on this issue. God tells us that He loves an honest scale. Be an honest scale.

 

[Hillsage]

BTW, First Corinthians 15:24-28, the furthest out in time the Bible mentions, the Kingdom is fully reconciled to God. Paul wrote of reconciliation, but he never wrote of hell.

Actually that is not true Laz. Paul did mention 'hell' but the false pen of the scribes that Jeff believes in had to cover it up, because....embarrassingly enough for Jeff's theology, Christians have been filling it for 2,000 years. Let's see if we can find it.

NAS 1CO 15:55 "O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR VICTORY? O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR STING.

NIV 1CO 15:55 "Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?"

RSV 1CO 15:55 "O death, where is thy victory? O death, where is thy sting?"

Is there any help in the above translations? Nope, Nada...the truth is missing in action. So let's take another step and hit one of your favorites translations to see if 'the truth' be made plain.

KJV 1CO 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

Do you see the truth yet? Nope, even those scribes, who translated a Greek word in this text as HELL 10 times, failed to do so here. So, only 1 time did they feel like putting the true translation of that Greek word down in this verse, when they said "grave".

Now let's go to one of those UNI/UR translations which we always try to get the dumb sheep to look at.

YOUNGS LITERAL TRANSLATION
1CO 15:55 where, O Death/thanatos, thy sting? where, O Hades/hades, thy victory?'

There you have it. Looks to me like even Jeff is going to end up in HELL according to all the false scribes attempts to hide that fact from those who only read the 'orthodox' translations of complete indoctrination. When I say Jeff above, of course that means 'should the Lord tarry'...AND if Jeff is truly born again, of course. But then, that applies to all of us.