The No-Straw-Man Calvinism challenge.

[Hammster]

If God knew billions of people would read the bible in this time, one suspects that He would have not just made it all for the understanding or limits of a generation 2000 years ago.

I never said He did.

 

[Hammster]

so if i start with understanding the calvinist theology on sovereignty, i can then progress to - election - predestination - atonement?

the first link you gave me - chpt 10 of effectual calling - what is that - election?

which chapter do i read for sovereignty?

1689 LBC: Chapter 5: "Of Divine Providence"

 

[Hammster]

can you describe in reformed theology words what God predestines in regards to each individual human - their behavior - their heart - their decisions - their salvation?

He predestines that those He loves will be conformed to the image of His Son.

 

[4x4toy]

Then those in hell will have an excuse to blame God

 

[dad]

The original readers might not have even know that the New Covenant included Gentiles.

Right. Or maybe how 'all the world' could see two witnesses raise from the dead etc.

 

[Hammster]

Then those in hell will have an excuse to blame God

No straw men, please. There's an OP.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

God always gets what He wants. He's sovereign.

Whoever taught that is wrong and directly contradicts Scripture.....

 

[dad]

He predestines that those He loves will be conformed to the image of His Son.

The meaning of predestined may be different to God than man? If He says we can chose, any definition of pre destination must be viewed accordingly.

 

[dad]

Whoever taught that is wrong and directly contradicts Scripture.....

They love to toss that word sovereign around as if God is some programmer of robots.

 

[dad]

I never said He did.

Then you admit the bible need not be viewed just through the lenses of how the people then would have read it.

 

[Hammster]

Whoever taught that is wrong and directly contradicts Scripture.....

Wow. That's sad that you think that.

 

[Hammster]

They love to toss that word sovereign around as if God is some programmer of robots.

Remember, no straw man arguments.

 

[Hammster]

Then you admit the bible need not be viewed just through the lenses of how the people then would have read it.

I never said that either.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Wow. That's sad that you think that.

It's more sad that it's true.

 

[Hammster]

It's more sad that it's true.

If believing that God isn't sovereign is sad, you can believe something else.

 

[dad]

Remember, no straw man arguments.

OK, but I thought that had relevant content. If man was pre programmed and destined in advance Calvinist style then he would be like a robot. If that is relevant, you calling it anything else I guess would be a straw man eh?

 

[dad]

I never said that either.

Be clear then. If the bible is for today at least as much as for then, we could not expect that we would need to conform especially or exclusively to how people thought thousands of years ago, correct?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

If believing that God isn't sovereign is sad, you can believe something else.

There you go again, changing the topic/ question/ subject.

I never once, never at any time, never thought that God is not sovereign,

and never ever posted any such thing. Yes, you are being backed into a corner, so to speak, because previously you posted another error, and now another one.

If you care to bring it all out into the light, we can proceed. So far you quit before we get it all out in the open, but there is still hope you might want to this time.

 

[Hammster]

OK, but I thought that had relevant content. If man was pre programmed and destined in advance Calvinist style then he would be like a robot. If that is relevant, you calling it anything else I guess would be a straw man eh?

Again, no straw men. Find something in the OP that supports this, and we'll talk.

 

[Hammster]

Be clear then. If the bible is for today at least as much as for then, we could not expect that we would need to conform especially or exclusively to how people thought thousands of years ago, correct?

If I wrote a note to my wife that said

Honey, I've run to the store. Be back later.

Love ya


and you happened upon it and read it, would you think it was to you, that I considered you worthy of a pet name, and I loved you?