The No-Straw-Man Calvinism challenge.

[Hammster]

can you link it here again so that i can follow you step by step as you answer my questions

i don't want to hunt and search and discover later that i found the wrong link

i'd like to walk step by step through each answer you give to eliminate misunderstanding

The 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith

 

[Hammster]

why do you say this is a strawman?

can you clarify?

A straw man falsely identifies an opponent's position and then "corrects" that position.

Saying that Reformed Theology teaches that God forces someone to do/think/decide something is a straw man because there's no teaching like that in Reformed Theology.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

A straw man falsely identifies an opponent's position and then "corrects" that position.

Saying that Reformed Theology teaches that God forces someone to do/think/decide something is a straw man because there's no teaching like that in Reformed Theology.

I might make the above my new sig.

 

[PuerAzaelis]

I guess you'll just sit back quietly now and read along.

I would if I were following your personal rule book.

 

[dad]

Except for "Be happy" that is out there! There is no such thing as a "Holy Spirit" translation: not the Latin Vulgate--not the King James Version! God's Word was given to us from Hebrew to Aramaic to koinE Greek and translated into English. NEVER take those words backwards to explain Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew! All these autographed languages are about LIVE! Do you know what 'LIVE' spelled backwards is?

Says who? I say translators can be quite inspired. That is part of the process of getting the word to man, after all. So why not have Him watch over it?

 

[dad]

It is important to understand how the original readers would have understood the scriptures. You can't look at the groom/bride relationship that's pictured in scripture and impose modern traditions onto it.

The bible was for me...now. Not just for them ...then. You do know that?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The other issues would be concerned with how He gets the results He wants.

I would think, from all that's been posted about it in this site,
that
more concern would be when HE does not get the results HE wants......

i.e. when HE desires and makes provision for people, and they still turn Him down.
whether for salvation,
or perhaps even more common, for healing.

 

[dad]

My wife.

Let's ask Hamster if he thinks she lived 2000 years ago I guess.

 

[ToBeLoved]

A straw man falsely identifies an opponent's position and then "corrects" that position.

Saying that Reformed Theology teaches that God forces someone to do/think/decide something is a straw man because there's no teaching like that in Reformed Theology.

How do you explain regeneration then. God does regeneration without free will

 

[Hammster]

The bible was for me...now. Not just for them ...then. You do know that?

Of course. But we need to understand it the way the original readers did.

 

[Hammster]

I would think, from all that's been posted about it in this site,
that
more concern would be when HE does not get the results HE wants......

i.e. when HE desires and makes provision for people, and they still turn Him down.
whether for salvation,
or perhaps even more common, for healing.

God always gets what He wants. He's sovereign.

 

[Hammster]

How do you explain regeneration then. God does regeneration without free will

That's not making someone do something. That's ransoming a slave.

 

[dad]

Of course. But we need to understand it the way the original readers did.

How about they need to understand it as I would? Why favor one group over another if it was written for me too?

 

[Hammster]

How about they need to understand it as I would? Why favor one group over another if it was written for me too?

Go right ahead. It seems you are anyway.

 

[ToBeLoved]

That's not making someone do something. That's ransoming a slave.

It's the same thing. It's still being done to someone.

It all goes together.

 

[ToBeLoved]

How about they need to understand it as I would? Why favor one group over another if it was written for me too?

The original readers might not have even know that the New Covenant included Gentiles.

 

[Hammster]

It's the same thing. It's still being done to someone.

It all goes together.

I never said God doesn't act upon people. The context was the typical straw man along the lines of God making people do things. A variation of the puppet or robot trope.

 

[Truthfrees]

A straw man falsely identifies an opponent's position and then "corrects" that position.

Saying that Reformed Theology teaches that God forces someone to do/think/decide something is a straw man because there's no teaching like that in Reformed Theology.

can you describe in reformed theology words what God predestines in regards to each individual human - their behavior - their heart - their decisions - their salvation?

 

[dad]

Go right ahead. It seems you are anyway.

If God knew billions of people would read the bible in this time, one suspects that He would have not just made it all for the understanding or limits of a generation 2000 years ago.

 

[Truthfrees]

This section might be helpful to at least start your questioning.

one foundational question from what i have read so far

is predestination the main tenet of calvinism?

is that what non-c's mainly oppose?

is this link basically the foundation for predestination?

God's sovereignty is the main tenet of Reformed Theology. The other issues would be concerned with how He gets the results He wants.

can you give me that link?

what are the other issues that follow sovereignty?

can you give me those links in order of importance?

The other issues would be spelled out in the links in the OP. Election, predestination, atonement, etc. are the issues in question.

I think the London Baptist one is the best out of the ones I linked to.

can you link it here again so that i can follow you step by step as you answer my questions

i don't want to hunt and search and discover later that i found the wrong link

i'd like to walk step by step through each answer you give to eliminate misunderstanding

The 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith

A straw man falsely identifies an opponent's position and then "corrects" that position.

Saying that Reformed Theology teaches that God forces someone to do/think/decide something is a straw man because there's no teaching like that in Reformed Theology.

can you describe in reformed theology words what God predestines in regards to each individual human - their behavior - their heart - their decisions - their salvation?

He predestines that those He loves will be conformed to the image of His Son.

so if i start with understanding the calvinist theology on sovereignty, i can then progress to - election - predestination - atonement?

the first link you gave me - chpt 10 of effectual calling - what is that - election?

which chapter do i read for sovereignty?

so if i start with understanding the calvinist theology on sovereignty, i can then progress to - election - predestination - atonement?

the first link you gave me - chpt 10 of effectual calling - what is that - election?

which chapter do i read for sovereignty?

1689 LBC: Chapter 5: "Of Divine Providence"