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What's the distinction without a difference ? I'm confused.Okay, anybody who believes gets eternal life. It's a distinction without a difference.
No doubt. He that comes to Jesus He will in no possible way ever cast out. We're in with the in crowd then, the chosen ones. Those folks who are cast out did not come to Him sincerely.If you say so.
Well, there was a guy in the bible who asked the Lord to help His unbelief. In other he only believed a little bit and needed help. But he wanted to believe. So if the heart is right the rest will follow. I don't think it is a matter of thinking we believe so much as having the heart right with God. After all, faith grows, doesn't it, over time? So if we see someone with what appears to be little or no faith, maybe God's working on them. Maybe one day they will have a lot.Or even thinking they believe but not really believing.
I never said it did. It also doesn't say that everyone can.
I am not the one who sends people to hell.But there IS a distinction. Calvin, by preaching the way he preached, put God in a box. He limited God. God is illimitable. Not only is He unlimited, but He cannot be limited. Unlike some, who would say that a Hindu could never get to heaven, what about this man I have heard of.
There is a man in Calcutta who every day, goes out to the people on the streets of the city. He takes care of homeless people's feet. He washes feet, binds wounds, gives people shoes, and so on. Now, how is this man not following Jesus words in Matthew 25:35-40 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’
Is this man not doing EXACTLY what Jesus was talking about? How can you, just because he never heard of Jesus, send him to hell?
Are we still discussing John 3:16, or have you moved the goalposts?EVERYONE, that is, all human beings are allowed to choose God's mercy and love. How can you believe otherwise?
Off topic to the thread.Name a verse or two that is so burned in the KJV in those books?
I wonder if the Calvinists think that some people were pre destined to not be able to chose God?EVERYONE, that is, all human beings are allowed to choose God's mercy and love. How can you believe otherwise?
I am not the one who sends people to hell.
Are we still discussing John 3:16, or have you moved the goalposts?
Same as others,Now, how is this man not following Jesus words
No, most don't think that.I wonder if the Calvinists think that some people were pre destined to not be able to chose God?
“"Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;Nor am I. Nor is God. God's choice of giving us free will means that we get to choose whether we want to go to heaven or go to hell. Lots of people go to hell because they cannot stand the light of Christ. Other people go to heaven because they have always chosen to look FOR the light.
Same as others,
who Jesus tells on Judgment Day "bye bye".
Multitudes of them.
Then you'll have to defend your assertion because John 3:16 doesn't support it.Nope, same goalpost. Jesus IS the goal. I am expanding on the clear message of the gospel, pointing out other things others may not have thought of.
In any way. It's not in the text, nor implied.Oh? In what way?
I was talking more about ppl who grew up going to church or following God and in their minds default to Jesus out of having experiences throughout life rather than making a concrete choice to choose God.Well, there was a guy in the bible who asked the Lord to help His unbelief. In other he only believed a little bit and needed help. But he wanted to believe. So if the heart is right the rest will follow. I don't think it is a matter of thinking we believe so much as having the heart right with God. After all, faith grows, doesn't it, over time? So if we see someone with what appears to be little or no faith, maybe God's working on them. Maybe one day they will have a lot.
The cons who Jesus talked about were just not right in the heart at all.
In any way. It's not in the text, nor implied.
This doesn't make sense actually.You missed the point. Okay, Jesus did not say, "I was in Calcutta without shoes, and my feet were bleeding, and you bound the wounds and gave me shoes." I admit that. But you are believing that God will not have mercy on those who do what He commands. Just because that Hindu did not walk down an aisle and declare his intention to live for Jesus the rest of his life, and then follow through on that, does that mean that God is UNABLE to have mercy on him? Think carefully, your own salvation hangs in the balance.
Because if you say that God is unable--or even unwilling--to have mercy on this particular person, then God will be unwilling to show you the mercy that you believe you deserve, because of your inability to have mercy on a person that God wants to give mercy to. JUDGE NOT, etc.
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