The New Testament Sabbath Day

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It was wrongly ingrained though! How many time do you read Jesus straightening them out about the Sabbath day? They had it wrong and they made it legalism

Throughout the Bible is a common theme that we must obey God rather than man, so we should be careful not to misinterpret a criticism of man-made laws as being against obeying God's laws. Jesus criticism the Pharisees for setting aside the commands of God in order to follow their own traditions (Matthew 7:6-13), so we should not use his criticisms of the Pharisees to set aside the commands of God. There are 24 chapters in the Mishna for just how to keep the Sabbath, so they had buried it under a mountain of their traditions and perverted what was intended to be a day of rest into a legalistic chore. So Jesus wasn't straightening them out about whether to keep the Sabbath, but about how to keep the Sabbath. They had fallen from true Torah observance and Jesus came to fulfill the law by teaching how to correctly understand and obey the Torah through his words and his perfectly sinless example.

So are you saying Jesus committed sin? Sin is the transgressing of the God's Law. So it's "not some crazy idea". It's clearly stated in Ephesians 2:14-16
14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall,
15 by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace,
16 and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity.


The laws concerning the Sabbath Day ARE ABOLISHED!

It really doesn't make a lot of sense to say in verse 10 that we are new creations in Christ for the purpose of doing good works and then just a few verse later say that Christ abolished his instructions for how to do good works. What is being talked about in this passage are man-made laws, such as mentioned in Acts 10:28 that forbade Jews from associating or visiting with Gentiles. So again, we need to be careful not to misinterpret a criticism of man's law as being against obeying God. Jesus never broke God's law, so he never sinned, but he did break man's law. We are also told not to sin and that we ought to follow Jesus' perfectly sinless example of obedience to the law.
 
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I know you don't recognize because you isolated only one verse. The point is you don't comprehend what Jesus was saying.

There are more than one way to understand the word "fulfill" ...the context determines how it is to be understood. This is link to the MEANINGS from "Blue Letter Bible":
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G4137&t=NASB

Jesus makes two statements and you cannot pull one from the other or you miss the point. In Matthew 5:17:
17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

Jesus is making the point that His first mission is to fulfill the Law AND the Prophets. In doing this He he obeys God's law perfectly and lays Himself down as the LAST SACRIFICE on the cross. He also fulfills ALL of the messianic prophecies of the OT to prove He is Messiah!

Indeed, context determines how something should be understood, so we when "fulfill" is used in contrast with "abolish" we should not interpret them to mean essentially the same thing. To fulfill the law means to fill the law up with meaning, to demonstrate a full understanding of the law, so Jesus proceeded to fulfill the law six times in Matthew 5 by teaching how to understand it, and fulfilled the law by demonstrating a perfect example for us to follow of how to obey it. Other Jewish literature shows the same usage of the rabbinic term, so every Sabbath a rabbi would take a Torah scroll to Moses' seat and fulfill the law by interpreting it and explaining how it should be understood. According to Galatians 5:14, everyone since Moses has fulfilled the law by loving their neighbor, so it was not a once and for all thing that Jesus did so that we don't have to. Furthermore, Jesus fulfilled the Law and the Prophets, so if he did away with the law, then he also did way with the prophecies concerning his second coming.

Jesus elaborates on what He means in Matthew 5:18:
18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

Do you catch what Jesus means? He's saying the Law will NOT pass away UNTIL ALL is accomplished. Once Jesus obeyed God's law perfectly He became the Passover lamb on the cross...THE FINAL SACRIFICE for sins! After that the ceremonial Law passes away. The only Law remaining is the moral Law, known as The Ten Commandments, which the purpose of those is to define sin. Whenever a person in Israel committed sin, the had very strict laws of what they needed to do, which Leviticus covers. It always involved a blood sacrifice. Furthermore every of the feasts required a sacrifice for sin. All of them pointed to Christ.

While Jesus certainly accomplished much on the cross, he did not accomplish everything because there is still a second coming and everything that Revelation says comes along with that. Also, last I checked, heaven and earth are still here, so both of those conditions are referring to end times. The Bible says nothing about ceremonial laws passing away and all of God's laws are inherently moral law, and the transgression of any of God's laws is sin. The law points toward Christ because he is the one who can pay our penalty for our transgression of it and who can cause us become obedient to it.

This is why the veil of the temple is torn in half upon the death of Jesus! There's no more need to have sacrifice or feasts like Passover, The Feast of Unleavened Bread, The Day of Atonement...and all the other ceremonial laws requiring sacrifice for sin. Those Laws are abolished!

God's feasts are all important shadows that teach us about the Messiah and are rehearsals for what we will be doing during his reign.

Romans 10:4:
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

God is righteous, so He always has a righteous conduct, and the law is righteous because it is a reflection of His character instructs how to have a righteous conduct, so saying that Christ ended the law is like saying that Christ ended God's righteousness. The word "telos" can be translated as "end", but it is more appropriately be translated as "goal". The law points toward or is directed at Christ and Christ is the goal or purpose of the law. The law teaches us about him and points us toward him, and it is through him that we can have a righteous conduct in accordance with the law, so he makes it more important to keep. This is an excellent article about how this verse should be translated:

http://www.godward.org/archives/special articles/how_is_christ_the end of law.htm

Galatians 3:13
13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”—

That's what Jesus means! He had to fulfill the Law before it would pass away.

According to Dueteronomy 28, the law comes with curses for disobeying it and blessing for obeying it. We have been redeemed from the curses for disobeying it, but we should not want to rob ourselves of the blessings for obeying it.

I'm free in Christ and I rest in Him!

Christ has freed us from sin, which is transgression of the law, so that we can be free to obey the law. The freedom that we have in Christ is not the freedom to sin, but the freedom from sin.
 
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In other words , you have nothing that says we don't have to obey God's Law.
No. In other words you don't understand Christ is the end of the Law...so you try to explain it away. You're incapable of understand that at this point because you think keeping the Law is what we're to do. Romans 3:19 is in order for you:
19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God;
Just as this verse says the LAW is for those (like you), who are under the Law. Those who try to live by the Law are held accountable to it on judgement day.

I stand in the righteousness of Christ in which His perfect life was credited to me as righteousness because I believe on Him. Just as Romans 4:13 says of Abraham:
13 For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith.
I rely on scripture that speaks for itself not interpretations from false teachers.
You may think you do, but you don't and you're the false teacher because you think you're righteous because you keep the Sabbath but you're not. Romans 5:20-21:
20 The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,
21 so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


Jesus said I came not to destroy the Law but to fulfill it.
Why is the Sabbath targeted for termination but none of the other 9 commandments? Did He not fulfill them?
Jesus fulfilled every commandment or He could not have been without sin. TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW IS SIN jacobs well. Now...Can you show any commandment that Jesus broke? If you can, you can say He didn't fulfill the Law for us.

Let's look at what Jesus said to John the Baptist when John didn't want to baptize Him...Matthew 3:15:
15 But Jesus answering said to him, “Permit it at this time; for in this way it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he *permitted Him.

Jesus knows something you don't...He came to fulfill ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS jacobs well!

Now...let's listen to Jesus speaking of the Sabbath day OF HIMSELF:
Matthew 12:8:
8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”

Mark 2:27-28
27 Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.
28 So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.

If the Sabbath is not in Jesus how can He be LORD OF THE SABBATH???

You have all kinds of problems when it comes to understanding scripture on the Sabbath.


 
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Indeed, context determines how something should be understood, so we when "fulfill" is used in contrast with "abolish" we should not interpret them to mean essentially the same thing. To fulfill the law means to fill the law up with meaning, to demonstrate a full understanding of the law, so Jesus proceeded to fulfill the law six times in Matthew 5 by teaching how to understand it, and fulfilled the law by demonstrating a perfect example for us to follow of how to obey it. Other Jewish literature shows the same usage of the rabbinic term, so every Sabbath a rabbi would take a Torah scroll to Moses' seat and fulfill the law by interpreting it and explaining how it should be understood. According to Galatians 5:14, everyone since Moses has fulfilled the law by loving their neighbor, so it was not a once and for all thing that Jesus did so that we don't have to. Furthermore, Jesus fulfilled the Law and the Prophets, so if he did away with the law, then he also did way with the prophecies concerning his second coming.



While Jesus certainly accomplished much on the cross, he did not accomplish everything because there is still a second coming and everything that Revelation says comes along with that. Also, last I checked, heaven and earth are still here, so both of those conditions are referring to end times. The Bible says nothing about ceremonial laws passing away and all of God's laws are inherently moral law, and the transgression of any of God's laws is sin. The law points toward Christ because he is the one who can pay our penalty for our transgression of it and who can cause us become obedient to it.



God's feasts are all important shadows that teach us about the Messiah and are rehearsals for what we will be doing during his reign.



God is righteous, so He always has a righteous conduct, and the law is righteous because it is a reflection of His character instructs how to have a righteous conduct, so saying that Christ ended the law is like saying that Christ ended God's righteousness. The word "telos" can be translated as "end", but it is more appropriately be translated as "goal". The law points toward or is directed at Christ and Christ is the goal or purpose of the law. The law teaches us about him and points us toward him, and it is through him that we can have a righteous conduct in accordance with the law, so he makes it more important to keep. This is an excellent article about how this verse should be translated:

http://www.godward.org/archives/special articles/how_is_christ_the end of law.htm



According to Dueteronomy 28, the law comes with curses for disobeying it and blessing for obeying it. We have been redeemed from the curses for disobeying it, but we should not want to rob ourselves of the blessings for obeying it.



Christ has freed us from sin, which is transgression of the law, so that we can be free to obey the law. The freedom that we have in Christ is not the freedom to sin, but the freedom from sin.
Go see all of my post in this thread. In fact Soyeong, since you've come into this thread late, I think you should go back and read all of the post. I've been over this already with jacobs well and others. You may not agree with my answers, but I've answered your questions in other posts. I don't see the need to repeat my answers.
 
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No. First you need to familiarize yourself with the book of Acts as Paul does his missionary journeys. What you're doing is revising what is written to fit what you think.

It is in Acts 15 that the apostles meet in Jerusalem because Judaizers were trying to make Gentiles observe circumcision according to the Law...Acts 15:1-2:
Some men came down from Judea and began teaching the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.”
2 And when Paul and Barnabas had great dissension and debate with them, the brethren determined that Paul and Barnabas and some others of them should go up to Jerusalem to the apostles and elders concerning this issue.


"Judaizers" was a term first coined and used by the heretic Marcion. It did not refer to those who were trying to get Gentiles to obey God's law, nor did Paul mean that when he used the word, but rather means "to adopt Jewish customs and rights, one who observes the ritual law of the Jews". It has to with someone who was trying to make Gentiles live as a Jew and become a Jew, and having him keep all of the customs of the Jewish people. They want the perspective person to live exactly as they do, keeping God's law in the same manner as they do in order to be saved. It has nothing to do with God's law except for the fact that Jewish customs were bound up in decisions made about God's law, also known as their yoke of the Torah.

The Bible makes says that we are to have a holy, righteous, and good conduct (1 Peter 1:14-16, 1 John 3:4-10, Ephesians 2:8-10), which is in accordance with God's law, so Acts 15 wasn't about whether Gentiles should have a holy, righteous, and good conduct in accordance with the law, but about whether Gentiles needed to become Jews and follow their customs in order to be saved.

This is the beginning of the matter...however note what the apostles concluded in their letter to the CHURCHES in Acts 15:22-29:
22 Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them to send to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas—Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren,
23 and they sent this letter by them, “The apostles and the brethren who are elders, to the brethren in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia who are from the Gentiles, greetings.
24 “Since we have heard that some of our number to whom we gave no instruction have disturbed you with their words, unsettling your souls,
25 it seemed good to us, having become of one mind, to select men to send to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
27 “Therefore we have sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will also report the same things by word of mouth.
28 “For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials:
29 that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well. Farewell.”


Do you notice the apostles DO NOT require them to keep the Sabbath? If Sabbath keeping is so essential, they certainly would have included in there.

If you hold hard to this being an exhaustive list of everything that would ever be required for non-Jewish believers, then that would exclude other commands given to them in the NT as well as the commands of Jesus. However, if you say that this is not an exhaustive list and that other laws were obviously included, then I'd agree with you.

When an employer hires a new employee, they don't start by teaching them everything that they will ever need to know about their job, but rather they start by teaching them the basics with the understanding that that they will learn how to do the rest on the job. Along that same line of thought, they didn't want to make things too difficult for new believers coming to Christ, so they started off with just the basics that would allow them to have table fellowship with other Jewish beleivers, which is excused in Acts 15:21 by saying that they will continue to learn about Moses in the synagogues every Sabbath, which implies that they were already obeying God's command to keep the Sabbath.

In Acts 21:27-28 the Judaizers falsely accuse Paul in these words to have him arrested:
27 When the seven days were almost over, the Jews from Asia, upon seeing him in the temple, began to stir up all the crowd and laid hands on him,
28 crying out, “Men of Israel, come to our aid! This is the man who preaches to all men everywhere against our people and the Law and this place; and besides he has even brought Greeks into the temple and has defiled this holy place.


We know the Law includes the Sabbath, so this flatly refutes your argument that this is not what Paul was addressing to believers in Colosse.

Indeed, they were falsely accusing Paul of teaching against the law and Paul was taking steps to show that he continued to live in obedience to the law (Acts 21:24).

Now, to further refute your assertions, Galatians also addresses the facts that keeping the Sabbath is NO LONGER required. Paul is again addressing a church where Judaizers are trying to make Christian keep Old Covenant Law, and Peter, in fact is guilty of this. Paul confronted Peter in Galatians 2:11-16
11 But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned.
12 For prior to the coming of certain men from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he began to withdraw and hold himself aloof, fearing the party of the circumcision.
13 The rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy, with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy.
14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of all, “If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews?
15 “We are Jews by nature and not sinners from among the Gentiles;
16 nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.

Any way you look at it the apostles DID NOT require the church to observe the Sabbath or any of the ceremonial Laws! They are WORKS OF THE LAW!

You can try to reason the facts away, but once again I challenge you to find ONE NT command telling the church to keep the sabbath. Why is that so hard for you to find jacobs well? It's because it's no longer required.

Jesus is our Sabbath rest!

Obeying God's law is the way to identify with God, not the way to identify with Jews, so living as Jews refers to keeping man-made rabbinic customs, such mentioned in Acts 10:28 that forbade Jews from associating or visiting with Gentiles. By being compelled to obey those customs, Peter was giving credence to those who were saying that Gentiles needed to become Jews and obey their customs in order to be saved. So his actions were essentially telling them that they weren't saved, which is why Paul rebuked him and immediately reiterated in verse 15 that we are justified by faith. There is no definitive article in the Greek, so it should be translated as "works of law", which refers to man-made laws and specifically not God's law, which again refers back to the man-made laws that Peter was following. Again, we must obey God rather than man, so we should be careful not to mistake criticisms of man's law as criticism of God's law.
 
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You could teach something till the cows come home, but if you did not fulfil what was being taught, it would mean nothing. And as you can see below, your interpretation is completely off track.

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. (Mt 5:17)

Strong's Concordance

pléroó: to make full, to complete
Original Word: πληρόω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: pléroó
Phonetic Spelling: (play-ro'-o)
Short Definition: I fill, fulfill, complete
Definition: I fill, fulfill, complete.

1.to make full, to fill, to fill up:
2.to render full, i. e. to complete; to make complete in every particular; to render perfect:
a. properly, to fill up to the top
b.to perfect, consummate
c.to carry into effect, bring to realization, realize; α. of matters of duty, to perform, execute

How is demonstrating a full and complete understanding of the law not in line with teaching it correctly?
 
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You've got a lot of work to do in the scriptures! It's very evident you manipulate the scriptures. The book of Acts prove this flat wrong...Acts 20:7:
On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight.


The word for “day” was not in the original text, but was added by the translator for clarity, but in this case, it actually distracts from what is happening. The word used for “day of the week” is the Greek word “sabbaton”. In its singular form, it means the 7th day Sabbath of God, but its plural form means the interval between two Sabbaths, or what we would call sundown on Sunday night. The first interval between Sabbaths was the Havdalah service done immediately following the Sabbath, which signifies the end of the Sabbath and the start of the workweek. So they were meeting to break bread as part of a Havdalah service in the evening at the end of the Sabbath, where Paul then preached from evening until midnight and left on what we'd call Sunday to travel, which means he wasn't attending Sunday service.

Paul having been a Pharisee REASONED with the Jews from the scriptures, and when they would not listen, he would leave.

It's true that he reasoned with them on the Sabbath, but Acts 21:24 nevertheless says that he continued to live in accordance with the law, so he was also keeping the Sabbath.


We're not talking about all of the 10 Commandments. Of course they remain in effect because they define sin. Still the 4th commandment is Christ! He is who we remember now...HE IS THE HOLY ONE...we don't have to keep a day holy anymore

Hebrews 4:9-10 So there remains a Shabbat-keeping for God’s people. 10 For the one who has entered God’s rest has also rested from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Therefore, let us do our best to enter that rest; so that no one will fall short because of the same kind of disobedience.

The argument being made is Hebrews 3-4 is that those who rebelled against God did not enter the rest of the Promised Land. Even those who did enter the Promised land were encouraged by Psalm 95 not to harden their hearts, but to enter into God's rest, so we should likewise not harden our hearts against God's commands. God rested on the 7th day, so there remains a Sabbath keeping for those who rest in Christ, where we rest from our works as God rested from His on the 7th day.

First you have to understand when Christ came into the world, and up until He died on the cross the Old Covenant was in effect. He instituted the New Covenant at the LAST PASSOVER with His disciples. Hebrews 8:13 affirms as much:
13 When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.


The Old Covenant is obsolete, but God's holiness, righteousness, and goodness are not obsolete, and neither is the way to have such a conduct.

The false teaching is yours. Hebrews 4:3-7 makes it very clear Christ is the Sabbath rest now:
3 For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, “As I swore in My wrath, They shall not enter My rest,” although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;
5 and again in this passage, “They shall not enter My rest.”
6 Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience,
7 He again fixes a certain day, “Today,” saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before, Today if you hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts.”

This is clearly pointing to Jesus as the Sabbath rest! The GOOD NEWS is THE GOSPEL...and *if* we hear HIS VOICE, we can enter into HIS REST!

This is clearly pointing to you not listening to God's voice and hardening your heart against His commands.
 
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When you cut out what Paul is saying it seems to fit what you think. However let's add the context because context tells you what he means...Romans 7:1-3:
Or do you not know, brethren (for I am speaking to those who know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over a person as long as he lives?
2 For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband.
3 So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man.


Here the apostle is using the 7th commandment as an example of how a woman would commit adultery. Notice that if her husband dies and she marries another man SHE IS FREE from the 7th commandment.

Now...Romans 7:4-6:

4 Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.
5 For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were aroused by the Law, were at work in the members of our body to bear fruit for death.
6 But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter
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Now the context is clear jacobs well! When one comes to Christ THEY DIE TO THE LAW THROUGH CHRIST! Why? Because Christ DIED FOR OUR SINS according to the scriptures and we are free from the law which includes the Sabbath day!

Romans 7:7 What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin.

We were set free from sin not the law. Sin is defined as the the transgression of the law, so we were set free from transgressing the law so that we would be free to not transgress the law, not so that we could continue in our transgressions.

Paul opened the chapter by saying that he was speaking to those who knew the law, so he was using an example from the law to show that law has jurisdiction over a person as long as they live, not making an analogy where everything is represented by something else. We can't be represented by the wife because we are dying to the law and it is her husband that dies, and we can't be represented by the husband because it is the wife who is free to get married to another. However, when her husband dies, she is not free to murder, lie, steal, etc., but rather she is only free from the aspect of the law that would penalize her if she were to live with another man while her husband was still alive. In the same way, our death to the law does not free us from having to obey it, but rather it gives us the status of being free from the penalty for breaking it, which is the point Paul is building to in Romans 8:1 that there is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ. If we were free from the law, then we would be free to murder, lie, steal, etc., but Paul made it clear that that we aren't suppose to sin, which is transgressing the law.
 
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"Judaizers" was a term first coined and used by the heretic Marcion. It did not refer to those who were trying to get Gentiles to obey God's law, nor did Paul mean that when he used the word, but rather means "to adopt Jewish customs and rights, one who observes the ritual law of the Jews". It has to with someone who was trying to make Gentiles live as a Jew and become a Jew, and having him keep all of the customs of the Jewish people. They want the perspective person to live exactly as they do, keeping God's law in the same manner as they do in order to be saved. It has nothing to do with God's law except for the fact that Jewish customs were bound up in decisions made about God's law, also known as their yoke of the Torah.
Who cares what brought on the term. The fact is they were Jews who wanted to hold on to the Old Covenant, and it was true. Paul makes that fact in Galatians 2:11-14, where Paul has to confront Peter's hypocrisy toward Gentiles:
11 But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned.
12 For prior to the coming of certain men from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he began to withdraw and hold himself aloof, fearing the party of the circumcision.
13 The rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy, with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy.
14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of all, “If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews?


How you can read the book of Acts, knowing the Jews were so angry with Paul teaching New Covenant salvation in Christ, the swore an oath to kill him in Acts 23:12, because Paul's preaching was converting Gentiles. They followed Paul everywhere, yet here you are trying to change the facts.

What is Paul's warning to the Philippians about them? Philippians 3:
2 Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of the false circumcision;
3 for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh,

The false "circumsion" are Jews who wanted to make Gentiles obey the Old Covenant!
The Bible makes says that we are to have a holy, righteous, and good conduct (1 Peter 1:14-16, 1 John 3:4-10, Ephesians 2:8-10), which is in accordance with God's law, so Acts 15 wasn't about whether Gentiles should have a holy, righteous, and good conduct in accordance with the law, but about whether Gentiles needed to become Jews and follow their customs in order to be saved.
Who argues that point?? We understand that living in obedience to Christ is what we ought to do! What you don't forget is that even when you have done all that you're supposed to do, what are you to say? Did you miss Luke 17:10?:
10: "So you too, when you do all the things which are commanded you, say, 'We are unworthy slaves; we have done only that which we ought to have done.'"

If you hold hard to this being an exhaustive list of everything that would ever be required for non-Jewish believers, then that would exclude other commands given to them in the NT as well as the commands of Jesus. However, if you say that this is not an exhaustive list and that other laws were obviously included, then I'd agree with you.

When an employer hires a new employee, they don't start by teaching them everything that they will ever need to know about their job, but rather they start by teaching them the basics with the understanding that that they will learn how to do the rest on the job. Along that same line of thought, they didn't want to make things too difficult for new believers coming to Christ, so they started off with just the basics that would allow them to have table fellowship with other Jewish beleivers, which is excused in Acts 15:21 by saying that they will continue to learn about Moses in the synagogues every Sabbath, which implies that they were already obeying God's command to keep the Sabbath.
This is pure imagination. There was no "exhuastive list" except that which the Jewish Rabbis created thinking the could be righteous by doing so. This is the very thing Jesus spoke against them about. Have you read Matthew 23? They had made the Law a burden to the people adding to it...so get it straight. The apostles understand that WE WALK IN THE SPIRIT...and they command us to do that instead of obeying the Law.

Indeed, they were falsely accusing Paul of teaching against the law and Paul was taking steps to show that he continued to live in obedience to the law (Acts 21:24).
I think you need to read that passage carefully...you're just wrong about that. Paul wasn't keeping the Law, as much as he was appeasing the Jewish believers. Don't get me wrong, I know there are Jews even today that are Christians that still observe the Sabbath under the Old Covenant. That's no problem for me...EXCEPT, when they try get me to do so. I'm free in Christ and I will not try to be righteous by their standard.

However, let's let Paul explain to you why He did those things. Have you ever read 1 Corinthians 9:19-23?:
19 For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a slave to all, so that I may win more.
20 To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law;
21 to those who are without law, as without law, though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ, so that I might win those who are without law.
22 To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak; I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means save some.
23 I do all things for the sake of the gospel, so that I may become a fellow partaker of it.

Paul never got it confused!

Obeying God's law is the way to identify with God, not the way to identify with Jews, so living as Jews refers to keeping man-made rabbinic customs, such mentioned in Acts 10:28 that forbade Jews from associating or visiting with Gentiles. By being compelled to obey those customs, Peter was giving credence to those who were saying that Gentiles needed to become Jews and obey their customs in order to be saved. So his actions were essentially telling them that they weren't saved, which is why Paul rebuked him and immediately reiterated in verse 15 that we are justified by faith. There is no definitive article in the Greek, so it should be translated as "works of law", which refers to man-made laws and specifically not God's law, which again refers back to the man-made laws that Peter was following. Again, we must obey God rather than man, so we should be careful not to mistake criticisms of man's law as criticism of God's law.
I think you've got it a bit misconstrued. We identify with God, through the finished work of Christ on the cross, and it should not be translated "works of the Law". It should be translated as it says JUSTIFIED BY FAITH!!!

Here's a link to help you the the Greek of the text using Romans 5:1, which says:
Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

The link is from Blue Letter Bible:
https://www.blueletterbible.org/nasb/rom/5/1/t_conc_1051001

You're mixing law and grace...PERIOD!
 
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Romans 7:7 What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin.

We were set free from sin not the law. Sin is defined as the the transgression of the law, so we were set free from transgressing the law so that we would be free to not transgress the law, not so that we could continue in our transgressions.
You have to embrace all of this to get it correct. The Law IS NOT SIN...and I never said such. BREAKING THE LAW IS SIN! That's something everyone ever born has done except the Lord Jesus! You must hold context.
Paul opened the chapter by saying that he was speaking to those who knew the law, so he was using an example from the law to show that law has jurisdiction over a person as long as they live, not making an analogy where everything is represented by something else. We can't be represented by the wife because we are dying to the law and it is her husband that dies, and we can't be represented by the husband because it is the wife who is free to get married to another. However, when her husband dies, she is not free to murder, lie, steal, etc., but rather she is only free from the aspect of the law that would penalize her if she were to live with another man while her husband was still alive. In the same way, our death to the law does not free us from having to obey it, but rather it gives us the status of being free from the penalty for breaking it, which is the point Paul is building to in Romans 8:1 that there is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ. If we were free from the law, then we would be free to murder, lie, steal, etc., but Paul made it clear that that we aren't suppose to sin, which is transgressing the law.
I don't even know where to begin with this because your exposition is so bad...and I don't mean to offend...but it just is!

The apostle is in continuation from Romans 6 Soyeong! In Romans 6 He's been making the point were are not free to sin because we have received God's grace in Romans 6. He is now coming full circle. The knowledge of sin comes from the Law and ANYONE thinking they can be righteous by the Law will fall short of God's glory (Romans 3).

In Romans 8 the apostle teaches the way is to WALK IN THE SPIRIT...Romans 8:1-4:
Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.
3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,
4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.


This then is the point Soyeong...the Law is not my rule...as the passage says, I walk by the Spirit of Life in Jesus Christ...not Law!
 
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The word for “day” was not in the original text, but was added by the translator for clarity, but in this case, it actually distracts from what is happening. The word used for “day of the week” is the Greek word “sabbaton”. In its singular form, it means the 7th day Sabbath of God, but its plural form means the interval between two Sabbaths, or what we would call sundown on Sunday night. The first interval between Sabbaths was the Havdalah service done immediately following the Sabbath, which signifies the end of the Sabbath and the start of the workweek. So they were meeting to break bread as part of a Havdalah service in the evening at the end of the Sabbath, where Paul then preached from evening until midnight and left on what we'd call Sunday to travel, which means he wasn't attending Sunday service.
You've basically out reasoned yourself here. The whole point is the first day of the week was the day they gathered. This was in recognition of Christ rising on the first day. The very same words that are used when Christ was resurrected...as in John 20:1. The Sabbath had already passed when Christ was raised Soyeong! So the translation is quite correct because the NT Church would meet on the "heis sabbaton". Do the comparison of the two verses!
It's true that he reasoned with them on the Sabbath, but Acts 21:24 nevertheless says that he continued to live in accordance with the law, so he was also keeping the Sabbath.
Actually no. Once again you're reasoning is off. It clearly says Paul's custom everywhere he went was to go the the Jews first. This is in accord with the way the apostles says the order of the gospel was..."to the Jew first and then to the Greek" (Romans 1:16). Paul wasn't keeping the sabbath, he was going where he KNEW Jews following the Old Covenant would be. His heart was his people...as he clearly says in Romans 10:1-3 says:
Brethren, my heart’s desire and my prayer to God for them is for their salvation.
2 For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.
3 For not knowing about God’s righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.

That's Paul's heart Soyeong!
Also, to show you how you miss the point what does Acts 21:17-21? What Paul taught Gentiles is evident there! He did not teach them to obey the Old Covenant...it's right there and it's also the reason he's arrested in Acts 21:27 through chapter 22...and Paul gives the testimony of his conversion!


Hebrews 4:9-10 So there remains a Shabbat-keeping for God’s people. 10 For the one who has entered God’s rest has also rested from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Therefore, let us do our best to enter that rest; so that no one will fall short because of the same kind of disobedience.

The argument being made is Hebrews 3-4 is that those who rebelled against God did not enter the rest of the Promised Land. Even those who did enter the Promised land were encouraged by Psalm 95 not to harden their hearts, but to enter into God's rest, so we should likewise not harden our hearts against God's commands. God rested on the 7th day, so there remains a Sabbath keeping for those who rest in Christ, where we rest from our works as God rested from His on the 7th day.



The Old Covenant is obsolete, but God's holiness, righteousness, and goodness are not obsolete, and neither is the way to have such a conduct.



This is clearly pointing to you not listening to God's voice and hardening your heart against His commands.
You're pretty much misreading the passage, and I think you do so purposely leaving out the opening...Hebrews 4:1-7 sets the table of how we enter rest, which is through the gospel of Christ:
Therefore, let us fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short of it.
2 For indeed we have had good news preached to us, just as they also; but the word they heard did not profit them, because it was not united by faith in those who heard.
3 For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, “As I swore in My wrath, They shall not enter My rest,”
although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;
5 and again in this passage, “They shall not enter My rest.”
6 Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience,
7 He again fixes a certain day, “Today,” saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before, “Today if you hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts.”

I'm kind of wondering why you didn't include those verses Soyeong...please explain. Those verse clearly point to Christ as the rest through the preaching of the gospel. So again...why do you omit them?

That's because "the rest that remains to the people of God is the rest they have in Christ. You've missed the point of the passge.
 
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No. In other words you don't understand Christ is the end of the Law...so you try to explain it away. You're incapable of understand that at this point because you think keeping the Law is what we're to do. Romans 3:19 is in order for you:
19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God;
Just as this verse says the LAW is for those (like you), who are under the Law. Those who try to live by the Law are held accountable to it on judgement day.

I stand in the righteousness of Christ in which His perfect life was credited to me as righteousness because I believe on Him. Just as Romans 4:13 says of Abraham:
13 For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith.

You may think you do, but you don't and you're the false teacher because you think you're righteous because you keep the Sabbath but you're not. Romans 5:20-21:
20 The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,
21 so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.



Jesus fulfilled every commandment or He could not have been without sin. TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW IS SIN jacobs well. Now...Can you show any commandment that Jesus broke? If you can, you can say He didn't fulfill the Law for us.

Let's look at what Jesus said to John the Baptist when John didn't want to baptize Him...Matthew 3:15:
15 But Jesus answering said to him, “Permit it at this time; for in this way it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he *permitted Him.

Jesus knows something you don't...He came to fulfill ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS jacobs well!

Now...let's listen to Jesus speaking of the Sabbath day OF HIMSELF:
Matthew 12:8:
8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”

Mark 2:27-28
27 Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.
28 So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.

If the Sabbath is not in Jesus how can He be LORD OF THE SABBATH???

You have all kinds of problems when it comes to understanding scripture on the Sabbath.




Looked at your blueline link regarding "telos" and it includes in section D the Greek word can also be used to mean " goal or purpose ".
In light of Jesus' words to receive salvation we must keep the commandments including the Sabbath it would follow
obeying God's Law would be the objective or goal in mind for salvation rather than the ending of the Law which would be in direct conflict with most scripture re the Law and the Sabbath.
Paul wrote " I delight in the Law of God " -Romans 7:22.
What timeframe do you think this was written?
The NT church continued with the OT commandments, including the Sabbath BUT with greater insight and understanding of their spiritual significance in the lives of God's followers-that's the big picture.

We strive for righteousness. As mentioned we are still flesh and blood and will never be perfect as Christ was but He is the benchmark we aim for.

Why only the 4 th commandment abolished and not any others?

Jesus reforms the Sabbath and restores it to its rightful place as designed in creation, where the Sabbath is made for all of mankind.

Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, so we should follow His example in observing the Sabbath.

The Sabbath is an integral part of God's plan of salvation for mankind.
It would never be completed now but only after the second coming.
As Paul said it was a shadow of things to come.
We are only in the middle of that plan so far.
And the Sabbath is a reminder of that
 
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You've basically out reasoned yourself here. The whole point is the first day of the week was the day they gathered. This was in recognition of Christ rising on the first day. The very same words that are used when Christ was resurrected...as in John 20:1. The Sabbath had already passed when Christ was raised Soyeong! So the translation is quite correct because the NT Church would meet on the "heis sabbaton". Do the comparison of the two verses!

Actually no. Once again you're reasoning is off. It clearly says Paul's custom everywhere he went was to go the the Jews first. This is in accord with the way the apostles says the order of the gospel was..."to the Jew first and then to the Greek" (Romans 1:16). Paul wasn't keeping the sabbath, he was going where he KNEW Jews following the Old Covenant would be. His heart was his people...as he clearly says in Romans 10:1-3 says:
Brethren, my heart’s desire and my prayer to God for them is for their salvation.
2 For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.
3 For not knowing about God’s righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.

That's Paul's heart Soyeong!
Also, to show you how you miss the point what does Acts 21:17-21? What Paul taught Gentiles is evident there! He did not teach them to obey the Old Covenant...it's right there and it's also the reason he's arrested in Acts 21:27 through chapter 22...and Paul gives the testimony of his conversion!



You're pretty much misreading the passage, and I think you do so purposely leaving out the opening...Hebrews 4:1-7 sets the table of how we enter rest, which is through the gospel of Christ:
Therefore, let us fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short of it.
2 For indeed we have had good news preached to us, just as they also; but the word they heard did not profit them, because it was not united by faith in those who heard.
3 For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, “As I swore in My wrath, They shall not enter My rest,”
although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;
5 and again in this passage, “They shall not enter My rest.”
6 Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience,
7 He again fixes a certain day, “Today,” saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before, “Today if you hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts.”

I'm kind of wondering why you didn't include those verses Soyeong...please explain. Those verse clearly point to Christ as the rest through the preaching of the gospel. So again...why do you omit them?
One reason people give for keeping Sunday as the new Sabbath is in recognition of the resurrection of Jesus. HOW EVER there is no evidence that was the case. Jesus did not rise on Sunday morning.
 
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Looked at your blueline link regarding "telos" and it includes in section D the Greek word can also be used to mean " goal or purpose ".
In light of Jesus' words to receive salvation we must keep the commandments including the Sabbath it would follow
obeying God's Law would be the objective or goal in mind for salvation rather than the ending of the Law which would be in direct conflict with most scripture re the Law and the Sabbath.
Paul wrote " I delight in the Law of God " -Romans 7:22.
What timeframe do you think this was written?
You fail to understand (or don't want to understand) that context determines what a word means. The timeframe doesn't matter...but it's estimated Paul wrote Romans about 57-60 AD.
The NT church continued with the OT commandments, including the Sabbath BUT with greater insight and understanding of their spiritual significance in the lives of God's followers-that's the big picture.

We strive for righteousness. As mentioned we are still flesh and blood and will never be perfect as Christ was but He is the benchmark we aim for.

Why only the 4 th commandment abolished and not any others?

Jesus reforms the Sabbath and restores it to its rightful place as designed in creation, where the Sabbath is made for all of mankind.

Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, so we should follow His example in observing the Sabbath.

The Sabbath is an integral part of God's plan of salvation for mankind.
It would never be completed now but only after the second coming.
As Paul said it was a shadow of things to come.
We are only in the middle of that plan so far.
And the Sabbath is a reminder of that
Paul said the Sabbath and the feast days were a shadow of things to come BUT THE SUBSTANCE IS CHRIST! Get it right if you're gonna say it. Colossians 2:16-17:
16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day
17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.


It's Jesus! You can't see it, but I hope you do!

The Church walked in the Spirit then, just as they walk in the Spirit now! They rest in Jesus KNOWING He is their Sabbath rest.

Christ is salvation jacobs well...and you have no righteousness apart from Him! Why do you think Gabriel told Mary "you shall call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins"? The name means "God is salvation".

The Sabbath speaks of Christ as our rest...you need to see that. Once again Jesus said it plain in Matthew 11:28-30:
28 “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”


It's a heavy yoke you're carrying jacobs well...you need to rest in Jesus!
 
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You missed the point. The reason the apostle uses marriage as an example is because of the many times we're told in scripture we are married to Christ. Christ paid for the past, present, and future sins of EVERY believer!

Once again you misrepresent scripture. Have you ever read 1 John 3:1-9? You need to:
See how great a love the Father has bestowed on us, that we would be called children of God; and such we are. For this reason the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.
2 Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is.
3 And everyone who has this hope fixed on Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.
4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
5 You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin.
6 No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him.
7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous;
8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.
9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

Matthew 7:23 But I will reply, 'I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God's laws.'

Sin is defined as lawlessness, Jesus will tell those who practices disobedience to God's law to depart, no one who practices lawlessness has either seen or known him, those who practice lawlessness are of the devil, and the law says to keep the Sabbath, so why in the world do you continue to advocate practicing lawlessness?
 
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See my response above to jacobs well.

None of your above response counters what I said. It is just as ridiculous to say that Jesus obeyed the law so we don't have to as it is to say that Jesus refrained from committing murder, lying, stealing, etc., so we don't have to. No, he did that so we would have an example to follow and we are told to follow his example, to be his disciples, to imitate him, to be like him, and to walk as he walked, yet you somehow think that means we shouldn't follow his example obedience to God. "Fulfilling to law" is a rabbinic term that is found in Jewish literature, so they did not understand it or Jesus' words in the way that you have misinterpreted it.

Is that why Jesus straightened the Pharisees out saying this in Mark 2:27 saying:
27 Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

God has given us a precious gift in order to bless us, so why should we spurn it?

What about Hebrews 4...have you ever read that? It defeats your point totally! The Sabbath day is about rest! Exodus 23:12:
12 “Six days you are to do your work, but on the seventh day you shall cease from labor so that your ox and your donkey may rest, and the son of your female slave, as well as your stranger, may refresh themselves.

How is it you cannot make the connection to what Jesus said in Matthew 11:28-30?

Again, Jesus was referencing Jeremiah 6:16-19, where walking in obedience to the law is what gives rest for our souls. The rest comes from ceasing from our activities to do the things of God, which are holy, righteous, and good.

You're kind of mixing apples and oranges. What Paul did in Acts 21:20-24 was to have an opportunity to preach the gospel. Why do you think they're seizing Paul in Acts 21:27 - Acts 22?

They were seizing him because of false rumors that he taught against obeying the law, which he took steps to disprove, and denied doing in court.

No. You have it quite wrong. Why would Paul say "Sabbath Days"? This was because the Jews wanting to keep the Law (Judaizers), were coming behind Paul after he had preached the gospel and would tell them they needed to keep the Law. The Jerusalem Council of Acts 15 makes that clear! But here are other passages that show the Judaizers were doing this:

*Acts 14:1-19

*Acts 17:1-9

*Galatians 4:21-31

*Galatians 6:12-16

Colossians 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits[a] of the world, and not according to Christ.

Paul would never have described God's instructions using these terms and saying that they were not according to Christ would be pitting him against the Father. Rather, he goes into detail about what these elemental spirits are later in the chapter:

Colossians 2:20-23 If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations— 21 “Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch” 22 (referring to things that all perish as they are used)—according to human precepts and teachings? 23 These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh.

So this is what the people who were judging them were teaching. While it is true that Paul faced opposition from Judaizers, it is not true that Judaizers were the only source of opposition. The Colossians were being judging for disobeying human traditions, precepts, and teachings, not for disobeying God.

That's right...the New Covenant goes deeper than the Law ever did! Here's an example from Jesus...Matthew 5:21-22
21 “You have heard that the ancients were told, ‘You shall not commit murder’ and ‘Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.’
22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘You good-for-nothing,’ shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.

Jesus took it deeper than the Law..and you CANNOT keep the Law.


When Jesus quoted from Scriptures, he said "as it is written", but when he quoted from the religious leaders of the day, he said "you have heard it said". He was not going deeper than the law or teaching anything new, but rather he was teaching the law in the way it was meant to be understood and correcting how the religious leaders taught to understand and obey the law. The law is spiritual (Romans 7:14), so it is meant to teach us spiritual principles, such as not getting angry with our brothers or thinking lustfully about someone. When someone obeys those spiritual principles of the law, then that inherently also includes obeying the law as written against murder and adultery. So Jesus was fulfilling, as he just said he was going to do, by teaching how it should correctly be understood and obeyed.

Do you not understand the only righteousness you have is in Jesus. Have you not read Romans 3:9-19???

Kind of like how a Firefighter is someone who is called to go out and fight fires, a righteous person is someone who is called to go out and practice righteousness (1 John 3:10, 2 Timothy 3:16-17). The righteousness of Jesus is what allows us to do practice righteousness by faith in accordance with God's instructions in His law and is why our faith upholds the law (Romans 3:31).
 
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Who cares what brought on the term. The fact is they were Jews who wanted to hold on to the Old Covenant, and it was true. Paul makes that fact in Galatians 2:11-14, where Paul has to confront Peter's hypocrisy toward Gentiles:
11 But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned.
12 For prior to the coming of certain men from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he began to withdraw and hold himself aloof, fearing the party of the circumcision.
13 The rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy, with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy.
14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of all, “If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews?

The historical context is important because it helps us to understand how the people being talked about in the Bible understood what was being said. If Jesus had said that he came to do away with God's law, then according to Dueteronomy 13, they would have known he was a false prophet, they would have rightfully tried to stone him, and they wouldn't have needed to find false witnesses at his trial, but the crowd had no such reaction. Rather, what he was about to teach was going against the grain of what their religious teachers had taught, so Jesus was assuring them that he came not to end the law, but to correctly interpret it.

In the same way, Judaizers had nothing in particular to do with the Old Covenant, but rather they were wanting Gentiles to become Jews and follow their traditions in order to be saved. Up until Peter's vision in Acts 10 the only Gentiles who had been saved were those who had become Jewish proselytes according to their traditions, so while their position was wrong, it was nevertheless understandable. The objection to Judaizers was not that they wanted Gentiles to obey God, but that they wanted Gentiles to obey God according to their traditions in order to be saved. Obedience to God's law is the way to identify with God, not the way to identify with Jews.

The Jews had man-made traditions that forbade them from visiting or associating or visiting with Gentiles (Acts 10:28), so when Peter gave heed to their traditions by changing where he was eating, he was giving credence to their position that their traditions needed to be followed, and his actions were essentially telling Gentiles that they weren't actually saved, which is why immediately reiterated in verse 15 that we are saved by faith. Living like a Jews again refers to keeping rabbinic traditions.

How you can read the book of Acts, knowing the Jews were so angry with Paul teaching New Covenant salvation in Christ, the swore an oath to kill him in Acts 23:12, because Paul's preaching was converting Gentiles. They followed Paul everywhere, yet here you are trying to change the facts.

Abraham was saved by faith, just as we are, and just as everyone else who has ever been saved, so the way to become saved didn't change between covenants. Salvation is from sin, and sin is defined as the transgression of the law, so our salvation is from transgressing the law, which necessarily involves coming into to it as we are made to be more like Christ in following his example of obedience. They wanted to kill him because of false rumors that he was teaching against the law, which he denied in court.

What is Paul's warning to the Philippians about them? Philippians 3:
2 Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of the false circumcision;
3 for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh,

The false "circumsion" are Jews who wanted to make Gentiles obey the Old Covenant!

Circumcision that is done for the purpose of justification is just mutilation of the flesh, that was never why circumcision was commanded in the first place.

Who argues that point?? We understand that living in obedience to Christ is what we ought to do! What you don't forget is that even when you have done all that you're supposed to do, what are you to say? Did you miss Luke 17:10?:
10: "So you too, when you do all the things which are commanded you, say, 'We are unworthy slaves; we have done only that which we ought to have done.'"

Jesus was not in disagreement with the Father about what we ought to do, but rather he said that he came to do only the Father's will and that his teachings were not his own, but that of the Father (John 7:16). He taught to obey the law both by words and by giving us a perfectly sinless example to follow, so I am in complete agreement that we ought to obey Christ and not in order to become worthy of anything.

This is pure imagination. There was no "exhuastive list" except that which the Jewish Rabbis created thinking the could be righteous by doing so. This is the very thing Jesus spoke against them about. Have you read Matthew 23? They had made the Law a burden to the people adding to it...so get it straight. The apostles understand that WE WALK IN THE SPIRIT...and they command us to do that instead of obeying the Law.

If you agree that it is not an exhaustive list, then it should also include God's laws. The role of the Spirit is to lead is in obedience to the law (Ezekiel 36:26-27), and the Spirit is not in disagreement with the Father about what conduct we should have, so walking in the Spirit precisely is walking in obedience to the law.

I think you need to read that passage carefully...you're just wrong about that. Paul wasn't keeping the Law, as much as he was appeasing the Jewish believers. Don't get me wrong, I know there are Jews even today that are Christians that still observe the Sabbath under the Old Covenant. That's no problem for me...EXCEPT, when they try get me to do so. I'm free in Christ and I will not try to be righteous by their standard.

However, let's let Paul explain to you why He did those things. Have you ever read 1 Corinthians 9:19-23?:
19 For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a slave to all, so that I may win more.
20 To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law;
21 to those who are without law, as without law, though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ, so that I might win those who are without law.
22 To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak; I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means save some.
23 I do all things for the sake of the gospel, so that I may become a fellow partaker of it.

Paul never got it confused!

Acts 6:13 and they set up false witnesses who said, “This man never ceases to speak words against this holy place and the law,

Stephen was falsely accused for teaching against the law, so the straightforward interpretation is that there were also false rumors that Paul was teaching against the law and they wanted to disprove those rumors and show that Paul continued to live in obedience to the law because that's what he was doing. Paul said that he upheld the law (Romans 3:31), that the law is holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12), that he took delight in God's law (Romans 7:22), and that the law tells us what sin is (Romans 7:7), so it is also straightforward continued to keep God's law because he thought it was a good idea to obey Him and to avoid sin. That is unless you'd prefer to go with the convoluted interpretation that maligns Paul's character and makes him out to be a super secret double agent, who tells different groups different things, which would make him out to be the ultimate hypocrite because that's exactly what he called Peter out for doing. Paul was not suggesting that we should sin in order to reach sinners because that would undermine the very message that he was sent to preach, but rather he spent the chapter talking about giving up his rights and not holding himself above others in order to reach more for Christ. Note that in verse 21, he specifically said that he was outside of God's law. When everything Paul said and did supports my position, but you need to say that Paul secretly held your position and no one called him on it even when he publicly admitted that's what he was doing, then it's time to reconsider your position.

I think you've got it a bit misconstrued. We identify with God, through the finished work of Christ on the cross, and it should not be translated "works of the Law". It should be translated as it says JUSTIFIED BY FAITH!!!

Here's a link to help you the the Greek of the text using Romans 5:1, which says:
Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Christ died on the cross to free us from sin, which is the transgression of the law, so we have been set free to not transgress the law. By obeying the law, we are identifying with Christ and the example that he set for us to follow. The law was never given as a means for how to become justified, but as instructions for how God wants those who have been justified to live. If Moses was justified, then he was justified by faith before the law was given to him, so the law is God's instructions for how the righteous shall live by faith, not how to become righteous.

The link is from Blue Letter Bible:
https://www.blueletterbible.org/nasb/rom/5/1/t_conc_1051001

You're mixing law and grace...PERIOD!

That's good because the Bible also mixes law and grace:

John 1:16-17 For from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace.[d] 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Romans 1:5 through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith for the sake of his name among all the nations,

It says grace was added to grace, so the grace of Christ was added to the grace of the law and the grace that we have received is to bring about obedience of faith to the law.
 
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You have to embrace all of this to get it correct. The Law IS NOT SIN...and I never said such. BREAKING THE LAW IS SIN! That's something everyone ever born has done except the Lord Jesus! You must hold context.

You immediately went from saying that we were set from sin, to saying that we were free from the law, which is precisely why Paul clarified that the law is not sin. Being set free from sin doesn't free us from the law, but just the opposite because sin is breaking the law, and if you agree with that, then you should practice obedience to the law, starting with keeping the Sabbath.

I don't even know where to begin with this because your exposition is so bad...and I don't mean to offend...but it just is!

The apostle is in continuation from Romans 6 Soyeong! In Romans 6 He's been making the point were are not free to sin because we have received God's grace in Romans 6. He is now coming full circle. The knowledge of sin comes from the Law and ANYONE thinking they can be righteous by the Law will fall short of God's glory (Romans 3).

If we're not free to sin and sinning is breaking the law, then we're not free to break the law. It doesn't get any more straightforward than that. The law had never been about what we must do to become righteous, which is actually a perversion of the law. Rather, the law God's instructions for how the righteous are to have a righteous conduct by faith.

In Romans 8 the apostle teaches the way is to WALK IN THE SPIRIT...Romans 8:1-4:
Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.
3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,
4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.


This then is the point Soyeong...the Law is not my rule...as the passage says, I walk by the Spirit of Life in Jesus Christ...not Law!

The problem with the Old Covenant wasn't with God's holy, righteous, and good laws, but that our sinful flesh prevented us from obeying them. God could solve this problem either by lowering His righteous standard so that it was no problem if we didn't obey Him, or by making it so that we could be able to meet the law's requirement of obedience, and He chose to do the latter. He did this by sending His Son to die to pay for our penalty of our transgressions of the law and to set us free from disobedience to the law and by sending His Spirit to lead is in obedience to the law (Ezekiel 36:26-27) so that we might meet its righteous requirement (Romans 8:4). The law is spiritual (Romans 7:14) and it is those who have a carnal mind who do not submit to God's law (Romans 8:7). The Spirit is not in disagreement with the Father, so walking in the Spirit is allowing the Spirit to lead you by faith in obedience to the law.
 
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You fail to understand (or don't want to understand) that context determines what a word means. The timeframe doesn't matter...but it's estimated Paul wrote Romans about 57-60 AD.

Paul said the Sabbath and the feast days were a shadow of things to come BUT THE SUBSTANCE IS CHRIST! Get it right if you're gonna say it. Colossians 2:16-17:
16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day
17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.


It's Jesus! You can't see it, but I hope you do!

The Church walked in the Spirit then, just as they walk in the Spirit now! They rest in Jesus KNOWING He is their Sabbath rest.

Christ is salvation jacobs well...and you have no righteousness apart from Him! Why do you think Gabriel told Mary "you shall call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins"? The name means "God is salvation".

The Sabbath speaks of Christ as our rest...you need to see that. Once again Jesus said it plain in Matthew 11:28-30:
28 “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”


It's a heavy yoke you're carrying jacobs well...you need to rest in Jesus!


Colossians 2 seems to be only one of the few scriptures that can mislead people into misguided understanding of God's Holydays.
Paul described how Jesus wiped out the " handwriting " or " note of guilt "-the record of our sins " that was against us, which was contrary to us- and " nailed it to the cross"- (that was the only thing that was nailed to the cross).
then Paul explains that we should not let another human being " judge " us regarding how we keep God's Sabbaths or feast days " which are a shadow of things to come " future tense of events to unfold later.
Then by saying that it is not another man that should judge us, but the BODY (not substance) of Christ -vs 17

Many English language translations of verse 17 use the word " substance " instead of " body "
The Greek word " soma " used here, which always means body is the same word Paul uses in Col 1:18 to describe Christ as the head of the body, which is the church.
So we should never let outsiders judge us regarding how to keep the Sabbaths

The Bible speaks of God's Kingdom as being established on earth when Jesus returns.
and when He returns He's bringing His Sabbath with Him.
All nations will be ruled by God's Laws
All of humanity will then learn and keep God's Sabbath as was commanded -Isaiah 66:23

Righteousness is found in trusting Christ.
Not by rejecting Him
 
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