The Mindset of Liberals

[OphidiaPhile]

Funny, how Hitler called his group the Nationalist SOCIALIST German Workers Party. Hitler was also anti-capitalist, pro-abortion, anti-christian, and nationalist. Sound familiar?

Hitler was impressed with founder Anton Drexler's antisemitic, nationalist, anti-capitalist and anti-Marxist ideas, which favoured a strong active government, a "non-Jewish" version of socialism and mutual solidarity of all members of society

Calling something socialism does not make it so.

From wikipedia

In both popular thought and academic scholarship, Nazism is generally considered a form of fascism – a term whose definition is itself contentious. The debate focuses mainly on comparisons of fascist movements in general with the Italian prototype, including the fascists in Germany. The idea mentioned above to reject all former ideas and ideologies like democracy, liberalism, and especially marxism (as in Ernst Nolte[27]) make it difficult to track down a perfect definition of these two terms; however, Italian Fascists tended to believe that all elements in society should be unified through corporatism to form an “Organic State”; this meant that these Fascists often had no strong opinion on the question of race, since it was only the state and nation that mattered.
German Nazism, on the other hand, emphasized the Aryan race or “Volk” principle to the point where the state seemed simply a means through which the Aryan race could realize its “true destiny”. Since a debate among historians (especially Zeev Sternhell) to see each movement, or at least the German one, as unique, the issue has been for the most part settled, showing that there is a stronger family resemblance between the Italian and the German fascist movement than there is between democracies in Europe or the communist states of the Cold War;[28] additionally, the crimes of the fascist movement can be compared, not only in numbers of casualties, but also in common developments: the March on Rome of Mussolini to Hitler’s response shortly after to attempt a coup d'etat himself in Munich.
Also, Aryanism was not an attractive idea for Italians who were seen as a non-Nordic population, but still there was a strong racism and also genocide in concentration camps long before either was in place in Germany.[29] The philosophy that had seemed to be separating both fascisms was shown to be a result of happening in two different countries: since the king of Italy had not died, unlike the Reichspräsident, the leader in Italy (Duce) was not able to gain the absolute power the leader in Germany (Führer) did, leading to Mussolini’s fall. The academic challenge to separate all fascist movements has since the 1980s and early 1990s been ground for a new attempt to see even more similarities.
According to most scholars of fascism, there are both left and right influences on fascism as a social movement, and fascism, especially once in power, has historically attacked communism, conservatism and parliamentary liberalism, attracting support primarily from the "far right" or "extreme right."[30]

 

[SallyNow]

Funny, how Hitler called his group the Nationalist SOCIALIST German Workers Party. Hitler was also anti-capitalist, pro-abortion, anti-christian, and nationalist. Sound familiar?

Hitler was impressed with founder Anton Drexler's antisemitic, nationalist, anti-capitalist and anti-Marxist ideas, which favoured a strong active government, a "non-Jewish" version of socialism and mutual solidarity of all members of society

Are you a Poe? I ask this serioulsy. Because the above post contains so many errors that it blows my mind anyone besides a Poe could post them.

If you indeed believe what you are saying is correct, please go and audit a course on German history at a reputable college or university in your area. While you are at it, audit a survey course on international political science

If that's too pricey then please get ahold of the following books:
The White Rose
The Diary of Anne Frank
A history of modern Germany: 1871 to present
and go to a local college or university bookstore and ask the clerk for a good, all-round basic textbook into political systems and ideologies.

Hitler loved capitalist ideals, he had those who supported democratic socialism imprisoned as political prisoners.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

Are you a Poe? I ask this serioulsy. Because the above post contains so many errors that it blows my mind anyone besides a Poe could post them.

If you indeed believe what you are saying is correct, please go and audit a course on German history at a reputable college or university in your area. While you are at it, audit a survey course on international political science

If that's too pricey then please get ahold of the following books:
The White Rose
The Diary of Anne Frank
A history of modern Germany: 1871 to present
and go to a local college or university bookstore and ask the clerk for a good, all-round basic textbook into political systems and ideologies.

Hitler loved capitalist ideals, he had those who supported democratic socialism imprisoned as political prisoners.

the second phrase was from wiki and not even my writing lol. And I have a feeling wiki knows a little bit better about Hitler than you probably.

Also the diary of Anne Frank is used by many liberal organizations and schools to promote anti-christian hatred and violence. And yes I have read it, and while a good book I believe it is used as a tool in many schools

Oh and please, Hitler was a totalitarian socialist(radical democrat) not a capitalist. And like Margaret Sanguer(founder of biggest abortion clinic planned parenthood) he was for eugenics, abortion, was was anti-christian. As he once said:

"In view of the large families of the native populations," he asserted, "it could only suit us if girls and women there had as many abortions as possible."

Hitler was passionately hostile to Christianity: "I shall never come to terms with the Christian lie . . . Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity. It will last another hundred years, two hundred years perhaps. My regret will have been that I couldn't, like whoever the prophet was, behold the promised land from afar." He accepted a broadly Nietzschean account of Christianity as a conspiracy of Jews for a slave revolt against their Roman conquerors: "Christianity is a prototype of Bolshevism: the mobilisation by the Jew of the masses of slaves with the object of undermining society."

Its pretty easy to see many of the worst madmen in history had very liberal/democratic socialist ideas. And whats scary is that they ALL got into the socialist utopia "heaven on earth" craze that has killed hundreds of millions of people. America dosen't need that, and to have that type of mindset in the whitehouse is dangerous for Americans who simply want their freedom and to be safe.


Nice ad hominem by the way...But please, you don't have to throw insults at others to get your point across. Its very unchristian.

Hitler a Capitalist, lol

 

[uberd00b]

From your posts that I've read, I got the impression that socially you were more of a liberal.

It's probably because he listens to reason, that's much more a facet of the left.

 

[Ryal Kane]

I thought it was liberTARIANS who wanted anarchy... liberal government parties like the democrats seem to want MORE laws and regulation

Well obviously liberals are authoritarian anarchists in the same way they're gay, atheist Muslims.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

the second phrase was from wiki and not even my writing lol. And I have a feeling wiki knows a little bit better about Hitler than you probably.

Also the diary of Anne Frank is used by many liberal organizations and schools to promote anti-christian hatred and violence. And yes I have read it, and while a good book I believe it is used as a tool in many schools

Oh and please, Hitler was a totalitarian socialist(radical democrat) not a capitalist. And like Margaret Sanguer(founder of biggest abortion clinic planned parenthood) he was for eugenics, abortion, was was anti-christian. As he once said:

"In view of the large families of the native populations," he asserted, "it could only suit us if girls and women there had as many abortions as possible."

Hitler was passionately hostile to Christianity: "I shall never come to terms with the Christian lie . . . Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity. It will last another hundred years, two hundred years perhaps. My regret will have been that I couldn't, like whoever the prophet was, behold the promised land from afar." He accepted a broadly Nietzschean account of Christianity as a conspiracy of Jews for a slave revolt against their Roman conquerors: "Christianity is a prototype of Bolshevism: the mobilisation by the Jew of the masses of slaves with the object of undermining society."

Its pretty easy to see many of the worst madmen in history had very liberal/democratic socialist ideas. And whats scary is that they ALL got into the socialist utopia "heaven on earth" craze that has killed hundreds of millions of people. America dosen't need that, and to have that type of mindset in the whitehouse is dangerous for Americans who simply want their freedom and to be safe.


Nice ad hominem by the way...But please, you don't have to throw insults at others to get your point across. Its very unchristian.

Hitler a Capitalist, lol

Hitler was not a socialist nor was he remotely left wing he used the term socialist completely out of context, do some research.

 

[SiderealExalt]

Hitler was not a socialist nor was he remotely left wing he used the term socialist completely out of context, do some research.

Please stop telling Creed to do something logical and substantiate what he said, so that he may continue to blast either the stereotype of the left or the real left, lampooning them as the ultimate American Boogie Man.

It's mean, and I, a moderate should know

 

[lilakuh]

Funny, how Hitler called his group the Nationalist SOCIALIST German Workers Party.

There was a German Democratic Republic before 1989. Do you believe the GDR was democratic just because its name said so?

 

[wanderingone]

the second phrase was from wiki and not even my writing lol. And I have a feeling wiki knows a little bit better about Hitler than you probably.

"Wiki" "knows" whatever people type into it. It's useful but you know you do have to actually comprehend what's written. The same article also says Hitler identified some socialism as "Jewish movements" and merged his anti-semitism with anti-marxism.

(and really cic you should credit your sources.

This need of people to find a way to prove something is bad by linking it to Hitler fails for all sides. Who cares if Hitler thought himself to be any kind of socialist? It's obvious Hitler wasn't inclined to provide universal health care to all.(just had to throw in UHC as the example since we're chatting up socialism) . .. at least not until the "all" left in the country included healthy aryans willing to breed for the nation.

 

[SallyNow]

the second phrase was from wiki and not even my writing lol. And I have a feeling wiki knows a little bit better about Hitler than you probably.

Now THAT'S funny. I've researched the subject through reading, you know, actual books and peer-reviewed journal articles and documentaries, but you're claiming that because I haven't bothered to write the stuff in a wiki it's worth its salt?

Also the diary of Anne Frank is used by many liberal organizations and schools to promote anti-christian hatred and violence. And yes I have read it, and while a good book I believe it is used as a tool in many schools

What? That's nonsense, pure, 100% Grade "A" nonsense. The only time I've heard anything similiar is from quotes from Holocaust apologists. I'd recommend that if the source of your information is espousing such things to seriously consider finding another source of information completely.

I've listed several respected books on the subject. Could you please do the same courtesy rather than trying to discredit respected writers with nonsense?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Now THAT'S funny. I've researched the subject through reading, you know, actual books and peer-reviewed journal articles and documentaries, but you're claiming that because I haven't bothered to write the stuff in a wiki it's worth its salt?



What? That's nonsense, pure, 100% Grade "A" nonsense. The only time I've heard anything similiar is from quotes from Holocaust apologists. I'd recommend that if the source of your information is espousing such things to seriously consider finding another source of information completely.

I've listed several respected books on the subject. Could you please do the same courtesy rather than trying to discredit respected writers with nonsense?

Speaking of the diary of Anne Frank...

Pia Zadora once starred in a production of The Diary of Anne Frank, in which her performance was so bad that an audience member yelled "She's in the attic!" when the Nazis showed up.

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[wanderingone]

You lie so often and so blatantly, I am wondering if you actually believe these lies!
Hitler wasn't a socialist? We're taking historical data out of context when Hitler says he was a socialist?
How can you live with yourself? I just don't understand how.

Who cares if if Hitler considered himself a socialist or not? Can we find a new genocidal maniac to compare everyone we hate to?

 

[Polycarp1]

You lie so often and so blatantly, I am wondering if you actually believe these lies!
Hitler wasn't a socialist? We're taking historical data out of context when Hitler says he was a socialist?
How can you live with yourself? I just don't understand how.

Hitler joined, moved to leadership in, and hijacked a political party called the Nazionalsocialistische Deutsche Arbeiterspartei (NSDAP, National Socialist German Workers' Party). The founders described themselves as national socialists setting up an alternative to the internationalist socialists who were being hijacked by Marxists. The surviving socialist leaders were purged by Hitler within a year of coming to power, notably the Strasser brothers, at the same time as he eliminated Ernst Roehm, head of the Brownshirts, who had supported him and appeared to be turning into a rival. Thereafter Hitler moved the party, and Germany, in a fascist direction, using the term accurately -- an alliance, for mutual benefit, between party, Army, and major industrial corporations such as Krupp.

While I have no fondness for any sort of doctrinaire socialism, to describe Hitler as a socialist in any way but taking advantage of an existing party to facilitate his own rise to power is like considering that Fred Phelps represents the true viewpoint of the American Democratic Party, of which he is reputedly a registered member.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

You lie so often and so blatantly, I am wondering if you actually believe these lies!
Hitler wasn't a socialist? We're taking historical data out of context when Hitler says he was a socialist?
How can you live with yourself? I just don't understand how.

Summary

Many conservatives accuse Hitler of being a leftist, on the grounds that his party was named "National Socialist." But socialism requires worker ownership and control of the means of production. In Nazi Germany, private capitalist individuals owned the means of production, and they in turn were frequently controlled by the Nazi party and state. True socialism does not advocate such economic dictatorship -- it can only be democratic. Hitler's other political beliefs place him almost always on the far right. He advocated racism over racial tolerance, eugenics over freedom of reproduction, merit over equality, competition over cooperation, power politics and militarism over pacifism, dictatorship over democracy, capitalism over Marxism, realism over idealism, nationalism over internationalism, exclusiveness over inclusiveness, common sense over theory or science, pragmatism over principle, and even held friendly relations with the Church, even though he was an atheist.



Argument

To most people, Hitler's beliefs belong to the extreme far right. For example, most conservatives believe in patriotism and a strong military; carry these beliefs far enough, and you arrive at Hitler's warring nationalism. This association has long been something of an embarrassment to the far right. To deflect such criticism, conservatives have recently launched a counter-attack, claiming that Hitler was a socialist, and therefore belongs to the political left, not the right.

The primary basis for this claim is that Hitler was a National Socialist. The word "National" evokes the state, and the word "Socialist" openly identifies itself as such.

However, there is no academic controversy over the status of this term: it was a misnomer. Misnomers are quite common in the history of political labels. Examples include the German Democratic Republic (which was neither) and Vladimir Zhirinovsky's "Liberal Democrat" party (which was also neither). The true question is not whether Hitler called his party "socialist," but whether or not it actually was.



Quoted from:

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitler.htm


DO some research, every historian agrees that National Socialism aka Nazism is Right wing.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Yes, "socialist" is part of the acronym of the Nazi party.

But then, "Democratic", was part of the acronym for the German Democratic Replublic...

And heck, the round worm is neither round, nor a worm...

so, you know, things aren't always accurately named.

 

[jilliejo]

After watching these anti-Obama videos, I am disgusted and sick to my stomach. This is the 1960s civil rights clash all over again. It is unbelievable that such ignorance and hatred still exists in this country, not from skinheads, but from "good, decent people". These are people who you would never guess felt this way to see them anywhere else but these rallies. I truly fear for this country, and for Obama's life. May God protect us and him from these sick minded scum.