The Millennium is a Pharisee Doctrine

[Dave L]

Dave Satan being loosed at the end of the millennium follows the angels proclaiming the kingdoms of this earth have become the kingdoms of our LORD and His Christ and He shall reign forever. We see Satan offered Jesus all the kingdoms of the world at a time if He would bow down and worship him. You see the throne of David is something Jesus was promised to take. It appear that ZEch 14 also shows the day the LORD is king over all the earth and on that day a new river and valley are formed and the nations which are left must now come to Jerusalem or they will get no rain. We see a continuation of life on earth after the LORD has come. In Dan 7 the pompous one I assert is the man of sin in 2 Thes and the beast in Rev. When he is persecuting the saints and prevailing over them the judgement came and one like the son of man comes and he is given a kingdom that will not end but the pompous one is given to the flame just like the beast in Rev and Dan notes that the rest of the beasts lose their dominion but have their lives prolonged a season and a time. You see the son of man is the kingdom that has no end and like the stone cut with out hands it descends and covers the earth. The beast in Dan 7 are like Satan in Rev his life is prolonged for a season and released for a time; the final rebellion at the end of the millennium. The kingdom is never interrupted and the battle is not much of a fight as soon as the city is surrounded that is it. Fire comes down and that is the end of that age. The kingdom then moves from this earth to the new Jerusalem.

We need to consider the New Heavens and earth and place events and situations accordingly.

 

[Dave L]

Christ reigning for 1000 years on a throne with thousands of helpers with Him - sounds a lot like a kingdom to me.

You have a lot of strange doctrine and that's OK with me. Fortunately most of it doesn't reach the level of heresy.

But do be careful when dissing things clearly taught in the Book of Revelation. If there isn't literal Hell to pay there still could be loss for you in the end.

"Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment." James 3:1

The 1000 years represent Satan's binding.

It is not the kingdom, Satan attacks the kingdom when the 1000 years end.

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

We need to consider the New Heavens and earth and place events and situations accordingly.

Right Dave and there is no sea in the new heaven and the kingdom covers the earth after the righteous throne is established and leaves no trace of the image of man's kingdom. (Dan 2) I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim
And the horse from Jerusalem;
The battle bow shall be cut off.
He shall speak peace to the nations;
His dominion shall be ‘from sea to sea,
And from the River to the ends of the earth. This again places the kingdom on earth at the2nd coming leaving no trace of man's kingdom and Jesus ruling with a rod of iron. This kingdom lasts forever.

The thing is Dave there is a spiritual kingdom too of all those who are saved so the ideas are not mutually exclusive. They are parallel. If you consider Zech 14, Dan 7 and Dan 2 all talk about the day the kingdom that will not end is established and in two of those 3 it is at a time when Jerusalem is saved from destruction and also in Rev and Joel and Hosea all tie in the valley of Meggido, which is Jezreel and fits with all the nations gathered in Joel 3.

 

[Dave L]

Right Dave and there is no sea in the new heaven and the kingdom covers the earth after the righteous throne is established and leaves no trace of the image of man's kingdom. (Dan 2) I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim
And the horse from Jerusalem;
The battle bow shall be cut off.
He shall speak peace to the nations;
His dominion shall be ‘from sea to sea,
And from the River to the ends of the earth. This again places the kingdom on earth at the2nd coming leaving no trace of man's kingdom and Jesus ruling with a rod of iron. This kingdom lasts forever.

The thing is Dave there is a spiritual kingdom too of all those who are saved so the ideas are not mutually exclusive. They are parallel. If you consider Zech 14, Dan 7 and Dan 2 all talk about the day the kingdom that will not end is established and in two of those 3 it is at a time when Jerusalem is saved from destruction and also in Rev and Joel and Hosea all tie in the valley of Meggido, which is Jezreel and fits with all the nations gathered in Joel 3.

This is reading ideas into scripture instead of learning from scripture.

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

Jesus presently rules from David's Throne in heavenly Jerusalem.

If Jesus is ruling would the world reflect Satanic philosophy and be opposed to every Godly Biblical principal? The LORD rules with a rod of iron and evil is as the days of Sodom and the flood. This is what it said about when he takes the throne of DAvid it is established and justice is established at that time. WE see no justice and you are hypocritical when you say their can be no millennium because Satan attacks it. We are seeing the attacks of Satan everyday in the newspaper. On every front the literal view is tracking with reality as every condition set out in scripture is flashing red right now. The return of the temple sacrifices at a time when global government is being established at time of moral collapse with a unification of religions and a cashless system are proposed.
If you look at the UN and consider they have made a new age ark of the covenant and carried on poles and set it in the UN building as the new commandments for man you might want to think over the historical allegorical view as it reeks at this juncture.

 

[Dave L]

If Jesus is ruling would the world reflect Satanic philosophy and be opposed to every Godly Biblical principal? The LORD rules with a rod of iron and evil is as the days of Sodom and the flood. This is what it said about when he takes the throne of DAvid it is established and justice is established at that time. WE see no justice and you are hypocritical when you say their can be no millennium because Satan attacks it. We are seeing the attacks of Satan everyday in the newspaper. On every front the literal view is tracking with reality as every condition set out in scripture is flashing red right now. The return of the temple sacrifices at a time when global government is being established at time of moral collapse with a unification of religions and a cashless system are proposed.
If you look at the UN and consider they have made a new age ark of the covenant and carried on poles and set it in the UN building as the new commandments for man you might want to think over the historical allegorical view as it reeks at this juncture.

Jesus is God, he has always ruled the nations with a rod of iron. To what extent does John say Satan was bound?

 

[DennisTate]

The Millennium is a Pharisee Doctrine.


First, MILLENNIUM: MILLENNIUM - JewishEncyclopedia.com
By: Joseph Jacobs, A. Biram

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Messianic Period an Interregnum.

The reign of peace, lasting one thousand years, which will precede the Last Judgment and the future life. The concept has assumed especial importance in the Christian Church, where it is termed also “chiliasm,” designating the dominion of Jesus with the glorified and risen saints over the world for a thousand years. Chiliasm or the idea of the millennium is, nevertheless, older than the Christian Church; for the belief in a period of one thousand years at the end of time as a preliminary to the resurrection of the dead was held in Parseeism. This concept is expressed in Jewish literature in Enoch, xiii., xci. 12-17; in the apocalypse of the ten weeks, in Apoc. Baruch, xl. 3 (“And his dominion shall last forever, until the world doomed to destruction shall perish”); and in II Esdras vii. 28-29. Neither here nor in later Jewish literature is the duration of this Messianic reign fixed. It is clear, however, that the rule of the Messiah was considered as an interregnum, from the fact that in many passages, such as Pes. 68a, Ber. 34b, Sanh. 91b and 99a, Shab. 63a, 113b, and 141b, a distinction is made between and , although it must be noted that some regarded the Messianic rule as the period of the fulfilment of the prophecies, while others saw in it the time of the subjugation of the nations.


So it is no wonder it found its way into the first century Church comprised mainly of Jews.


But in time, the church condemned it as heresy. First, According to the Nicene Creed

We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of His Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made; Who, for us men and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge both the living and the dead; Whose kingdom shall have no end.

And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets. And we believe in one holy catholic* and apostolic church. We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

Sproul, R. C. (Ed.). (2015). The Reformation Study Bible: English Standard Version (2015 Edition) (p. 2389). Orlando, FL: Reformation Trust.

And condemned as heresy by the Council of Ephesus in 431 in two ways.


“In addition to its condemnation of Nestorianism, the council also condemned

Pelagianism,[2] and rejected premillennialism (Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Papias,

Tertullian, Origen, Lactantius) in favor of amillennialism (Clement of

Alexandria, Chrysostom, Jerome and Augustine of Hippo): "Augustine's

explanation became Church doctrine when it was adopted as the definitive

explanation of the millennium by the Council of Ephesus in 431."[35]


Secondly, “Canon 7 condemned any departure from the creed established by the First Council of Nicaea (325)” This affirmed Jesus “shall come again, with glory, to judge both the living and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.” Thereby denouncing premillennialism and the doctrines leading up to and including Dispensationalism of the 1800s.


Retrieved from "Council of Ephesus - Wikipedia"

This correlation between the beliefs of the Pharisees about a Messianic one thousand year period of time could help to explain why perhaps roughly four hundred thousand Jews were believers in Rabbi Yeshua -Jesus as Messiah by the time of the Bar Kochba Revolt?

"The first Church was Jewish. If a Gentile wanted to follow the Messiah, he had to convert to Judaism. Then Peter had a revelation that Gentiles did not have to convert to Judaism to be saved (see Acts 10). The Jerusalem Council meeting determined that Gentiles did not have to be circumcised. There were only four easily followed requirements. They were to “abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood” (Acts 15:20). After all, James said, they could learn more about God by hear- ing the words of Moses every Saturday in the syna- gogue (see Acts 15:21). This opened the door to widespread church growth among the Gentiles. So many Gentiles were saved that the Jewish believers became a minority.

The first Jewish followers of Jesus were called “Nazarenes” (part of the Essenes sect of Judaism dis- cussed in Chapter 3). They practiced traditional Judaism and were widely accepted by unbelieving Jews. Early in the second century their numbers reached 400,000.1 In the Book of Acts, the early church fathers said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many myriads [tens of thousands] of Jews there are who have believed, and they are all zealous for the law” (Acts 21:20).

The Nazarenes’ acceptance by traditional Jews came to a halt in A.D. 135 when Rabbi Akiba declared that Bar Kochba was the Jewish Messiah. His followers hoped he would lead them to victory over the Romans. The Nazarenes refused to fight because they believed Jesus was the true Messiah rather than Bar Kochba. They were branded traitors, not because they believed in Jesus, but because they would not join Bar Kochba’s armed struggle. Bar Kochba and his followers were quickly slaughtered by the Romans. Afterward, Jews were banned from Jerusalem.

History shows that as the center of the Christian faith moved from Jerusalem to Rome, it became increasingly Hellenized, adopting pagan customs and philosophies rather than the God-ordained practices and beliefs of the Bible. At the same time, Christianity became increasingly anti-Jewish." (Sid Roth from his book The Incomplete Church, Chapter 7, page 64, 65)

 

[Dkh587]

Actually, HE taught Pharisee doctrine. Any religiously educated Jew. giving an honest look at our Lord's teachings, will IMMEDIATELY recognize it as Pharisaic teaching, fitting somewhere between that of Rabbi Shammai and Rabbi Hillel.

incorrect. He did not go to their schools or teach their doctrine.

John 7:15

And the Yahudim marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?

they knew he didn’t go to their schools and they knew he wasn’t under any of the teachings of any rabbi.

 

[DavidPT]

Do you believe the pharisees are right claiming the millennium as their own teaching?

Do you then think someone such as Justin Martyr, who was literally beheaded for his faith in Jesus, was a pharisee, the fact he believed in a future millennial period? In your view, can one be a pharisee and also be saved? Or do all pharisees get cast into the LOF?

 

[Dave L]

Do you then think someone such as Justin Martyr, who was literally beheaded for his faith in Jesus, was a pharisee, the fact he believed in a future millennial period? In your view, can one be a pharisee and also be saved? Or do all pharisees get cast into the LOF?

That doesn't change the fact that the doctrine contradicts Jesus' teaching on the kingdom.

 

[DavidPT]

That doesn't change the fact that the doctrine contradicts Jesus' teaching on the kingdom.

Was Justin Martyr a pharisee or not? Why not answer that question?

 

[Dave L]

Was Justin Martyr a pharisee or not? Why not answer that question?

I don't know. But Jesus refuted millennialism nearly every time he taught on the Kingdom. And it was a Pharisee doctrine not based on scripture. This concept is expressed in Jewish literature in Enoch, xiii., xci. 12-17; in the apocalypse of the ten weeks, in Apoc. Baruch, xl. 3 (“And his dominion shall last forever, until the world doomed to destruction shall perish”); and in II Esdras vii. 28-29.
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