The Millennial Temple

[Jerrysch]

What will be the purpose of the Millennial Temple?

 

[Driver]

There will be no literal millennial temple, since this has been fulfilled and finished in Christ.

I am reminded of the scene at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark and all those Nazis when they opened the ark of the covenant.

 

[Hedgehog]

There will be no literal millennial temple, since this has been fulfilled and finished in Christ.

I am reminded of the scene at the end of Raider of the Lost Ark and all those Nazis when they opened the ark of the covenant.

right on

 

[Jerrysch]

There will be no literal millennial temple, since this has been fulfilled and finished in Christ.

I am reminded of the scene at the end of Raider of the Lost Ark and all those Nazis when they opened the ark of the covenant.

Well the part of Christ being involved in the worekings of the Temple is correct, yet there are many things which the prophets spoke of regarding Christ which hav yet to happen, they are unfulfilled prophecies at this point in history, yet the nature of the God whom we serve indicates that He is a God who keeps His promices. There will be a literal temple and it will be a part of the 1,000 year reign of Christ upon the earth, as depicted in Rev 20 and other places. It seems as if you would have us believe that there will not be a millennial kingdom at all!

 

[Driver]

Well the part of Christ being involved in the worekings of the Temple is correct, yet there are many things which the prophets spoke of regarding Christ which hav yet to happen, they are unfulfilled prophecies at this point in history, yet the nature of the God whom we serve indicates that He is a God who keeps His promices. There will be a literal temple and it will be a part of the 1,000 year reign of Christ upon the earth, as depicted in Rev 20 and other places. It seems as if you would have us believe that there will not be a millennial kingdom at all!

Christ reigns as King of Kings now. What did Paul and Peter say about the Temple?

I Corinthians 3
16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Ephesians 2
19Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

I Peter 2
4To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, 5Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.





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[Dave Taylor]

The Millennial Temple already exists....It existed in the Days of Paul; he wrote often about it.

The temple was destroyed; and remade in three days; just as Jesus predicted. It is the temple made without hands; ye are the temple of God. Today is the day of Salvation. The final and ultimate sacrifice has been made.

 

[Tractor1]

The Millennial Temple already exists....It existed in the Days of Paul; he wrote often about it.

The temple was destroyed; and remade in three days; just as Jesus predicted. It is the temple made without hands; ye are the temple of God. Today is the day of Salvation. The final and ultimate sacrifice has been made.

(Ezek. chapters.40-43) describe the literal Millennial Temple, while (chapters 44-46) reveal the characteristics of worship. It (the Temple) will be a symbol of God's presence among His people after Israel's restoration. The glory of God had departed Solomon's Temple (Ezek. chapters. 8-11), but will once again indwell the Millennial Temple in much the same way as before.

Scripture states, "And I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant with them. And I will place them and multiply them, and will set My sanctuary in their midst forever. My dwelling place also will be with them; and I will be their God, and they will be My people" (Ezek. 37:26-27).

In Christ,
Tracey

 

[Driver]

Mark 14:58 We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.

Hebrews 10:26-27,31,39

26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries...31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God... 39But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

 

[Tractor1]

Mark 14:58 We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.

Hebrews 10:26-27,31,39

26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries...31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God... 39But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

Quoting Scripture is a good thing, but the ones you've included have no relevance to the subject.

If you're offended at the though of bloody sacrifces being performed during the millennial dispensation you'd do well to observe that sacrifices in the Old Testament didn't take away sin. They were prophetic, looking forward to the death of Christ which was the final sacrifice. In the Millennial kingdom, the sacrifices performed in the Temple will be looking back as a memorial, similar to what the Church observes in the Lord's Supper. The conditions in the kingdom will be so ideal that sacrifices will be needed to remind of the awfulness of sin and its requirement of a bloody sacrifice.

In Christ,
Tracey

 

[Driver]

Quoting Scripture is a good thing, but the ones you've included have no relevance to the subject.

If you're offended at the though of bloody sacrifces being performed during the millennial dispensation you'd do well to observe that sacrifices in the Old Testament didn't take away sin. They were prophetic, looking forward to the death of Christ which was the final sacrifice. In the Millennial kingdom, the sacrifices performed in the Temple will be looking back as a memorial, similar to what the Church observes in the Lord's Supper. The conditions in the kingdom will be so ideal that sacrifices will be needed to remind of the awfulness of sin and its requirement of a bloody sacrifice.

In Christ,
Tracey

Peter, Paul and the other NT writers saw things differently. I would rather stick with their account of things.

 

[Hedgehog]

In the Millennial kingdom, the sacrifices performed in the Temple will be looking back as a memorial, similar to what the Church observes in the Lord's Supper. The conditions in the kingdom will be so ideal that sacrifices will be needed to remind of the awfulness of sin and its requirement of a bloody sacrifice.

In Christ,
Tracey

I wonder what would cause God to like those sacrifices, if thats the way it is to be in the millennial reign.




Psa 51:14 Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O God, thou God of my salvation: [and] my tongue shall sing aloud of thy righteousness.

Psa 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give [it]: thou delightest not in burnt offering.


Isa 1:11 To what purpose [is] the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

Isa 43:23 Thou hast not brought me the small cattle of thy burnt offerings; neither hast thou honoured me with thy sacrifices. I have not caused thee to serve with an offering, nor wearied thee with incense

Isa 43:24 Thou hast bought me no sweet cane with money, neither hast thou filled me with the fat of thy sacrifices: but thou hast made me to serve with thy sins, thou hast wearied me with thine iniquities.

Jer 6:20 To what purpose cometh there to me incense from Sheba, and the sweet cane from a far country? your burnt offerings [are] not acceptable, nor your sacrifices sweet unto me.

Jer 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Jer 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
Jer 7:24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels [and] in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.

Hsa 4:19 The wind hath bound her up in her wings, and they shall be ashamed because of their sacrifices.

Hsa 8:13 They sacrifice flesh [for] the sacrifices of mine offerings, and eat [it; but] the LORD accepteth them not; now will he remember their iniquity, and visit their sins:

Amo 5:25 Have ye offered unto me sacrifices and offerings in the wilderness forty years, O house of Israel?

Mar 12:33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love [his] neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.

Hbr 10:3 But in those [sacrifices there is] a remembrance again [made] of sins every year

Hbr 10:6 In burnt offerings and [sacrifices] for sin thou hast had no pleasure.


Psa 40:6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.

Psa 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give [it]: thou delightest not in burnt offering.

Isa 1:13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; [it is] iniquity, even the solemn meeting

Ecc 5:1 Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools: for they consider not that they do evil.

Isa 66:3 He that killeth an ox [is as if] he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, [as if] he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, [as if he offered] swine's blood; he that burneth incense, [as if] he blessed an idol.Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

Jer 18:15 Because my people hath forgotten me, they have burned incense to vanity, and they have caused them to stumble in their ways [from] the ancient paths, to walk in paths, [in] a way not cast up;

Isa 65:2 I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way [that was] not good, after their own thoughts;
Isa 65:3 A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;

Hsa 8:13 They sacrifice flesh [for] the sacrifices of mine offerings, and eat [it; but] the LORD accepteth them not; now will he remember their iniquity, and visit their sins

Hsa 12:11 [Is there] iniquity [in] Gilead? surely they are vanity: they sacrifice bullocks in Gilgal; yea, their altars [are] as heaps in the furrows of the fields

Mat 9:13 But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice

Mat 12:7 But if ye had known what [this] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.




Your right about one thing. We DO sacrifice in the temple still.

Deu 33:19 They shall call the people unto the mountain; there they shall offer sacrifices of righteousness:

1Sa 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD [as great] delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey [is] better than sacrifice, [and] to hearken than the fat of rams.

Psa 4:5 Offer the sacrifices of righteousness, and put your trust in the LORD.

Psa 27:6 And now shall mine head be lifted up above mine enemies round about me: therefore will I offer in his tabernacle sacrifices of joy; I will sing, yea, I will sing praises unto the LORD.


Hbr 13:16 But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.

Psa 107:22 And let them sacrifice the sacrifices of thanksgiving, and declare his works with rejoicing.

Psa 116:17 I will offer to thee the sacrifice of thanksgiving, and will call upon the name of the LORD.

Psa 141:2 Let my prayer be set forth before thee [as] incense; [and] the lifting up of my hands [as] the evening sacrifice.

Pro 21:3 To do justice and judgment [is] more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice.

Jer 33:11 The voice of joy, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the voice of them that shall say, Praise the LORD of hosts: for the LORD [is] good; for his mercy [endureth] for ever: [and] of them that shall bring the sacrifice of praise into the house of the LORD.

Hsa 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Mal 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts.

Psa 119:108 Accept, I beseech thee, the freewill offerings of my mouth, O LORD, and teach me thy judgments.

Mal 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service.

Phl 2:17 Yea, and if I be offered upon the sacrifice and service of your faith, I joy, and rejoice with you all.

Phl 4:17 Not because I desire a gift: but I desire fruit that may abound to your account.
Phl 4:18 But I have all, and abound: I am full, having received of Epaphroditus the things [which were sent] from you, an odour of a sweet smell, a sacrifice acceptable, wellpleasing to God.

Hbr 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

Hbr 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Hbr 10:6 In burnt offerings and [sacrifices] for sin thou hast had no pleasure

Rev 8:4 And the smoke of the incense, [which came] with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

 

[Tractor1]

I wonder what would cause God to like those sacrifices, if thats the way it is to be in the millennial reign.

The sacrificial system of the millennium is difficult to understand and accept since bloody sacrifices are offensive in our modern culture, however, God Himself ordered them as a typical rite which pointed to Christ during the Mosaic dispensation. If those sacrifices were proper as a typical illustration of redemption in the Old Testament, then they are proper as a memorial to the death of Christ in the millennium. Understand though, the sacrifices here do not take away sin anymore than those of the Mosaic era.

In Christ,
Tracey

 

[Driver]

Where is the millennial temple (as you describe it) mentioned in the New Testament?

 

[Tractor1]

Where is the millennial temple (as you describe it) mentioned in the New Testament?

Nowhere that I'm familiar with. But why should that make a difference, do you not give the Old Testament the same acceptance as the New? Believe as you'd like, but any attempt to spiritualize the Temple or the millennial sacrifices runs into great difficulty when consideration is given to all the details revealed in the prophetic revelation. There's no good reason for understanding Ezekiel in anything other than a literal sense.

In Christ,
Tracey

 

[Jerrysch]

Quoting Scripture is a good thing, but the ones you've included have no relevance to the subject.

If you're offended at the though of bloody sacrifces being performed during the millennial dispensation you'd do well to observe that sacrifices in the Old Testament didn't take away sin. They were prophetic, looking forward to the death of Christ which was the final sacrifice. In the Millennial kingdom, the sacrifices performed in the Temple will be looking back as a memorial, similar to what the Church observes in the Lord's Supper. The conditions in the kingdom will be so ideal that sacrifices will be needed to remind of the awfulness of sin and its requirement of a bloody sacrifice.

In Christ,
Tracey

That is exactly right, they will be a memorial, in the same way that communion is a memorial of the sacrifice of Christ. But there will be festials which will be necessary in the Millennium as well, the feast of booths for one. (can you find the Scriptural basis for this?)

 

[Jerrysch]

Nowhere that I'm familiar with. But why should that make a difference, do you not give the Old Testament the same acceptance as the New? Believe as you'd like, but any attempt to spiritualize the Temple or the millennial sacrifices runs into great difficulty when consideration is given to all the details revealed in the prophetic revelation. There's no good reason for understanding Ezekiel in anything other than a literal sense.

In Christ,
Tracey

Indeed, the New Testament adds surprizingly little to the information regarding the Millennial Kingdom other than the duration of it, all was spoken before by the prophets, especailly our friend Ezekiel who wwent to great lengths to describe not only the Templs but the parceling out of the land. And of course the river, which will regenerate the Dead Sea. It is all there, and if you allow it to speak for itself, it is an increadable description. Yet many would wipe away all of it, and say it applies to China even though it clearly refers to Israel.

 

[Jerrysch]

The sacrificial system of the millennium is difficult to understand and accept since bloody sacrifices are offensive in our modern culture, however, God Himself ordered them as a typical rite which pointed to Christ during the Mosaic dispensation. If those sacrifices were proper as a typical illustration of redemption in the Old Testament, then they are proper as a memorial to the death of Christ in the millennium. Understand though, the sacrifices here do not take away sin anymore than those of the Mosaic era.

In Christ,
Tracey

 

[Jerrysch]

The Millennial Temple already exists....It existed in the Days of Paul; he wrote often about it.

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So are you suggesting that the Millennium has come and gone?

 

[Jerrysch]

Peter, Paul and the other NT writers saw things differently. I would rather stick with their account of things.

What did they say regarding the Millennial Temple?

 

[Jerrysch]

Christ reigns as King of Kings now. What did Paul and Peter say about the Temple?

I Corinthians 3

16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

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