The messiah is almost here

[Emun]

The chart is wrong. Jesus, the messiah arrived in Jerusalem, hailed as the messiah, KIng of Israel in John 12:12-15. 4 days later he was crucified. The 70th week is still future. The confirmation of the covenant for 7 years, will be an action taken by the Antichrist, false King of Israel messiah, as he follows Moses instructions in Deuteronomy 31:9-13 to confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant on a 7 year interval.

There is nothing in Daniel 9 prophesying when the messiah begins his ministry or that there would even be one. Ministry is not even mentioned in Daniel 9.

Jesus revealed Himself as the Messiah after the beginning of His ministry.

That the Messiah in Daniel 9 is Jesus and not the Antichrist can also be seen in the fact that the middle of the 70th week is exactly the year Jesus was crucified and that the beginning of the 70th week is exactly the year he was baptized. This cannot possibly be a coincidence

The fact that by his death the temple service did not work any more was mentioned even by the rabbis in the Talmud. The Talmud reports that exactly 40 years before the destruction of the temple, the sacrifices were not longer accepted by God. 40 years before the destruction of the temple is 30 AD. The exact year in which the Messiah was to finish the sacrifices according to Daniel 9 and the same year Jesus was crucified. The Jews should never have reported this in their Talmud, because by doing so they unconsciously confirmed Christianity. I say again, this all cannot possibly be a coincidence.

Dispensationalists who simply cut out the 70th week and place it somewhere in the future are acting unbiblically.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Jesus revealed Himself as the Messiah after the beginning of His ministry.

That the Messiah in Daniel 9 is Jesus and not the Antichrist can also be seen in the fact that the middle of the 70th week is exactly the year Jesus was crucified and that the beginning of the 70th week is exactly the year he was baptized. This cannot possibly be a coincidence

The fact that by his death the temple service did not work any more was mentioned even by the rabbis in the Talmud. The Talmud reports that exactly 40 years before the destruction of the temple, the sacrifices were not longer accepted by God. 40 years before the destruction of the temple is 30 AD. The exact year in which the Messiah was to finish the sacrifices according to Daniel 9 and the same year Jesus was crucified. The Jews should never have reported this in their Talmud, because by doing so they unconsciously confirmed Christianity. I say again, this all cannot possibly be a coincidence.

Dispensationalists who simply cut out the 70th week and place it somewhere in the future are acting unbiblically.

The prince was Titus in verse 26 and 27...his people were the Romans

 

[Emun]

The prince was Titus in verse 26 and 27...his people were the Romans

I agree totally. The prince was Titus but the Messiah was Jesus.

 

[dfw69]

70 AD is before his return.

No I mean it’s one of the signs just before he returns to establish his kingdom

The image of the beast isn't the Abomination of Desolation of Daniel 9.

Yes it is ..but I’ll bite

If it’s not then what is it?

 

[dfw69]

The prince was Titus in verse 26 and 27...his people were the Romans

So when did Titus confirm the covenant for 7 years?

27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

Here is the AOD in the middle of the week

When did Titus die at the end of that week?


Messiah came at the end of the 69 week

 

[dfw69]

After the 70th week is ended this takes place Daniel 9:24

24 “Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place.

This is not talking about our redemption through Christ blood

No this is about the holy city Jerusalem to finish the transgression within her to put an end to sins committed by her and to atone for her wickedness through sacrifices again as it says in Ezekiel’s temple to bring in everlasting righteousness…to seal up the Vision and prophecies concerning her and to annointed the temple holy of holies during the millennium

 

[Douggg]

Jesus revealed Himself as the Messiah after the beginning of His ministry.

That the Messiah in Daniel 9 is Jesus and not the Antichrist can also be seen in the fact that the middle of the 70th week is exactly the year Jesus was crucified and that the beginning of the 70th week is exactly the year he was baptized. This cannot possibly be a coincidence

The fact that by his death the temple service did not work any more was mentioned even by the rabbis in the Talmud. The Talmud reports that exactly 40 years before the destruction of the temple, the sacrifices were not longer accepted by God. 40 years before the destruction of the temple is 30 AD. The exact year in which the Messiah was to finish the sacrifices according to Daniel 9 and the same year Jesus was crucified. The Jews should never have reported this in their Talmud, because by doing so they unconsciously confirmed Christianity. I say again, this all cannot possibly be a coincidence.

Dispensationalists who simply cut out the 70th week and place it somewhere in the future are acting unbiblically.

I and others who view the 70th week as being future are futurists. Dispensationalists are a sub-catergory. I am a futurist, not a dispensationalist.

The chart is wrong. Daniel 9, it will be 7 weeks and 62 weeks unto messiah. And messiah cutoff after the 62 weeks. Not after 62 1/2 weeks. Jesus was baptized in the wilderness, not in Jerusalem. Jesus arrived in Jerusalem, hailed as the messiah, King of Israel, in John 12:12-15. 4 days later, He was crucified.

The 70 weeks are determined upon Daniel's people and Jerusalem - include to finish "the vision". Daniel did not have a vision in Daniel 9.

The vision being referred by both Daniel and Gabriel in Daniel 9:21,23,24 is the time of the end vision of the little horn in Daniel 8 stopping the daily sacrifice, committing the transgression of desolation, and cleansing of the temple of those things that make it desolate (the abomination of desolation statue image, incarnated by Satan, the beast, the false prophet). A total of 2300 days from when the animal sacrifices start up again to the day of Jesus's Return.

The 2300 days can fit within 7 years, but not 3 1/2 years (1260 days).

Daniel 8:16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.

17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.

Daniel 9:21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.

23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

 

[Emun]

No I mean it’s one of the signs just before he returns to establish his kingdom

Can you be more specific. What do you mean by " just before"? What period of years, months or days are you talking about? And prove it with the Bible.

Yes it is ..but I’ll bite

If it’s not then what is it?

How should I understand the question? I cannot tell you what the image of the beast is.

If you mean the abomination of desolation, I have already told you what it is. See the comment of Benson.

So when did Titus confirm the covenant for 7 years?

27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

Here is the AOD in the middle of the week

When did Titus die at the end of that week?


Messiah came at the end of the 69 week

"He" who made the covenant with many is not Titus but Jesus (Matthew 26:28).

Also, the translation you use is not accurate.

Here is a more accurate translation of Daniel 9:27:
And he will confirm a covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come the one who makes desolate, until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, gushes forth on the one who makes desolate.

There is a distinction between the one who made the covenant and the one who makes desolate. It also says "will come" which means he will come after the Messiah. This is Titus and it refers to the year 70 AD.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

So when did Titus confirm the covenant for 7 years?

27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

Here is the AOD in the middle of the week

When did Titus die at the end of that week?


Messiah came at the end of the 69 week

and the people of a prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; but the end shall be with a flood; and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. That was Titus and the Romans...

 

[dfw69]

Can you be more specific. What do you mean by " just before"? What period of years, months or days are you talking about? And prove it with the Bible.

It is believed by futurist that Jesus returns to establish his kingdom on earth and reign in Jerusalem after the tribulation mentioned in Matt 24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days

“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’

30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

In Matt 24:15 he mentions the Daniel 9 scripture referring to the AOD as something standing in the holy place and great tribulations of those days

So Jesus comes back after the great tribulation and AOD

If it has already happened as some teach then Jesus lied

Jesus was answering the question about his return and of the end of the age
Matt:24:3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives,the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

How should I understand the question? I cannot tell you what the image of the beast is.

I can ..it’s so obvious.. the image of the beast is the idol of himself standing in the holy place ..supposedly they breath life into the idol and the idol talks ….like god breath life into man and man becomes a living soul

The idol causes all to worship the idol and the beast and causes all to receive the
Mark to show allegiance and worship

This will cause great tribulation because true saints will not break the commandments of god to worship idols

This act is an abomination causing the destruction of all saints

Satan in a desperate move is trying to eradicate all saints so that the true messiah has no one to rule over or cause him to fail in just one prophecy

If just one prophecy is not fulfilled he has failed and satan wins

If you mean the abomination of desolation, I have already told you what it is. See the comment of Benson.

He’s wrong

"He" who made the covenant with many is not Titus but Jesus (Matthew 26:28).

But that’s not what Daniel says he said Jesus is cut off at the end of the 69th week

The 70 week begins with the ac who confirms the covenant but in the middle of that week break’s covenant and sets up the AOD

Also, the translation you use is not accurate.

Here is a more accurate translation of Daniel 9:27:
And he will confirm a covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come the one who makes desolate, until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, gushes forth on the one who makes desolate.

Ok but again he that confirmed the covenant for 7 years is not Jesus because Jesus was cut off at the end of the 69th week

dan 9:26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.

In this verse you have Jesus cut off and Jerusalem destroyed along with the Temple by Titus

But in this same verse it says
The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed.

The end of the age comes like a flood
War will continue till the end of the age
And desolations are decreed

So you see a gap between the 69 week and 70 week

There is a distinction between the one who made the covenant and the one who makes desolate. It also says "will come" which means he will come after the Messiah. This is Titus and it refers to the year 70 AD.

No your missing the vision points

Jesus is cut off
Titus destroyed temple and city
War continues till the end of the age

So the 70 week cannot continue until the temple is restored and if it were to be built and someone confirmed the covenant for a week but nothing happens then the 70th week has not commenced

The 70th week is laid out in a specific way by Daniel

The 70th week is described in this way and Jesus confirmed it . It will not commence until a specific man confirms the covenant for 1 week and in the middle of that week sets up the AOD then desolation (great tribulation) Jesus returns to pour out desolation upon his head

Then Jerusalem will be redeemed ,restored , prophecies fulfilled ,visions fulfilled ,Ezekiel temple built, millennium begins , everlasting righteousness from Jerusalem , the new age begins which is the age of divine government

 

[dfw69]

and the people of a prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; but his end shall be with a flood; and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Messiah is clearly cut off at the end of the 69th week

And the city and sanctuary was indeed destroyed but Titus afterwards

Daniel does not say “his end”

Daniel 9:26 The end will come with a flood, and war and its miseries are decreed from that time to the very end.

This is the correct way to interpret that verse

There is a gap between the 69th week and 70th week

After the 70th week war ends forever

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

And the city and sanctuary was indeed destroyed but Titus

That is what I said

 

[dfw69]

That is what I said

I agree with that part

 

[Emun]

@dfw69

I honestly don't feel like responding to your comments anymore.

As I said, to believe that the Messiah in Daniel 9 is the Antichrist is simply blasphemy. But believe in what you will, we will see in the end who was right and who was wrong, who will go to hell and who will not.

It is the Holy Spirit who reveals the truth, and the Holy Spirit was with the Church Fathers and the Reformed. They are scholars. They know better. But you dispensationalists think you're smarter. Your doctrine originated in the 19th century. You are a sect, so to speak. This is not meant as an insult. Nevertheless, I wish you all the best.

 

[dfw69]

@dfw69

I honestly don't feel like responding to your comments anymore.

That’s fine bro may we part in peace

As I said, to believe that the Messiah in Daniel 9 is the Antichrist is simply blasphemy.

No I never said the antichrist is the messiah ..I am not speaking blasphemy ....you just misunderstand what is written in Daniel 9

But believe in what you will, we will see in the end who was right and who was wrong, who will go to hell and who will not.

Bro this is just a conversation nobody going to hell for misunderstanding

It is the Holy Spirit who reveals the truth, and the Holy Spirit was with the Church Fathers and the Reformed. They are scholars. They know better. But you dispensationalists think you're smarter. Your doctrine originated in the 19th century. You are a sect, so to speak.

Bro we can read for ourselves , you cannot follow church fathers blindly , you have to search the scriptures to see if those thing are true and work out our own salvation with fear and trembling

Those past writings could be the workings of satan to deceive

This is not meant as an insult.

You seem to have a good heart and I appreciate your replies.. I won’t take it as an insult.. you have been so respectful I hope that I was the as well

Nevertheless, I wish you all the best.

May yahshua bless you with your hearts desires to know the truth

 

[Emun]

No I never said the antichrist is the messiah ..I am not speaking blasphemy ....you just misunderstand what is written in Daniel 9

The Messiah in Daniel 9 is Jesus. The person in Daniel 9 is literally called Messiah. And this Messiah is the Antichrist for you. Stop twisting things, stand by what you believe in.

You may think that I am misunderstanding Daniel 9 and that the Messiah is not Jesus but the Antichrist. But as I said, we will see in the end who was right.

Bro this is just a conversation nobody going to hell for misunderstanding

I honestly don't believe that dispensationalists who think Israel is still God's people will go to heaven. This shows that these people do not believe in the true gospel. The historical church also condemns you. (This is my personal opinion, and I hope that personal opinions will not be deleted or punished here.)

Bro we can read for ourselves , you cannot follow church fathers blindly , you have to search the scriptures to see if those thing are true and work out our own salvation with fear and trembling

Those past writings could be the workings of satan to deceive

Who says I follow them blindly? I have checked and their teaching is true. Do you actually know how sects are formed? By thinking like you.

You seem to have a good heart and I appreciate your replies.. I won’t take it as an insult.. you have been so respectful I hope that I was the as well

Thank you. Likewise

May yahshua bless you with your hearts desires to know the truth

It is becoming more and more obvious which group you are belonging to. "Yahshua" says it all.

 

[dfw69]

The fact that by his death the temple service did not work any more was mentioned even by the rabbis in the Talmud. The Talmud reports that exactly 40 years before the destruction of the temple, the sacrifices were not longer accepted by God. 40 years before the destruction of the temple is 30 AD. The exact year in which the Messiah was to finish the sacrifices according to Daniel 9 and the same year Jesus was crucified. The Jews should never have reported this in their Talmud, because by doing so they unconsciously confirmed Christianity. I say again, this all cannot possibly be a coincidence.

Where can I get this info? Was it because of the earthquake?

 

[dfw69]

The Messiah in Daniel 9 is Jesus. The person in Daniel 9 is literally called Messiah. And this Messiah is the Antichrist for you. Stop twisting things, stand by what you believe in.

I do stand on what I believe in and I’m not twisting things

I already explained what Daniel says about the antichrist and the messiah if you go back and understand what I wrote then you will see correctly what Daniel means when he wrote the vision

You may think that I am misunderstanding Daniel 9 and that the Messiah is not Jesus but the Antichrist. But as I said, we will see in the end who was right.

Sounds fair

I honestly don't believe that dispensationalists who think Israel is still God's people will go to heaven.

Well they have to get saved and believe the good news but yes all men who believe can be saved

Right now they are enemies of the gospel
But god made specific promises to them that he has to fulfill bro

Romans 11:28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs,

There is an election to be saved in the last days

This shows that these people do not believe in the true gospel.

I believe the gospel…
Jesus is lord and savior
Son of god
Born of a woman
Died as our Passover
Rose again
Sits at the right hand of god
Is returning for us

The historical church also condemns you. (This is my personal opinion, and I hope that personal opinions will not be deleted or punished here.)

I do not care about the historical church nor their condemnations

All that matters is what my father in heaven thinks of me

It is becoming more and more obvious which group you are belonging to. "Yahshua" says it all.

Yahusha is a Hebrew word for Jesus ,nothing wrong saying yahshua nor Jesus for that matter

So what group or sect do you think I belong to just because I said yahshua? Please explain, I’m just curious to know why you said that

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Yahusha is a Hebrew word for Jesus ,nothing wrong saying yahshua nor Jesus for that matter

No it isn't. In Hebrew His name is Yeshua from YeHoshua...

 

[dfw69]

No it isn't. In Hebrew His name is Yeshua from YeHoshua...

Lol let’s agree to disagree on this one bro