The messiah is almost here

[ViaCrucis]

You said: Luther was a hypocrite, Luther will be judged. Luther was a sinner.

Mate, really, It's time to change your religion. Convert to Judaism. I think that's the better place for you.

I love Luther and the Reformers, I love the Church Fathers. They were great teachers inspired by the spirit of Jesus Christ.

Nah I think I'm good. I just don't think trying to justify hating other people is very Christian--and that's in keeping with a Lutheran understanding of Christianity.

If you don't understand Lutheranism that's okay.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Emun]

Judaism is not evil Jesus came to teach the proper way to practice Judaism

We live in the new covenant. Christianity is the only true religion with God. Judaism finally ended on April 7, 30 AD.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Context of John 8:44:

41 You are doing the deeds of your father.” They said to Him, “We were not born as a result of sexual immorality; we have one Father: God.” 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I came forth from God and am here; for I have not even come on My own, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand [what I am saying? It is because you cannot listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil

Jesus calls the God of the Jews the devil.

Was He speaking of ALL Jews or just those He was speaking to? He was not calling God the Father the devil, He was telling those He was speaking to that their DEEDS were evil..."You are doing the deeds of your father". BTW, there were Jews in Iran, Yemen, Greece and many other places that had never heard of Yeshua so they had nothing to do with any of it...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I think that is what will happen if he gets reelected

Um, Trump is not even Jewish...

 

[dfw69]

We live in the new covenant. Christianity is the only true religion with God. Judaism finally ended on April 7, 30 AD.

God made a promise to Abraham
Gen 12:1-3 has not changed

 

[ViaCrucis]

You said: Luther was a hypocrite, Luther will be judged. Luther was a sinner.

Mate, really, It's time to change your religion. Convert to Judaism. I think that's the better place for you.

I love Luther and the Reformers, I love the Church Fathers. They were great teachers inspired by the spirit of Jesus Christ.

This should suffice as my final response to this matter on this thread,

From the LCMS 1983 Resolution on Antisemitism,

"therefore be it

Resolved, That we condemn any and all discrimination against others on account of race or religion or any coercion on that account and pledge ourselves to work and witness against such sins; and be it further

Resolved, That we reaffirm that the bases of our doctrine and practice are the Scriptures and the Lutheran Confessions and not Luther, as such; and be it further

Resolved, That while, on the one hand, we are deeply indebted to Luther for his rediscovery and enunciation of the Gospel, on the other hand, we deplore and disassociate ourselves from Luther’s negative statements about the Jewish people, and, by the same token, we deplore the use today of such sentiments by Luther to incite anti-Christian and/or anti-Lutheran sentiment; and be it further

Resolved, That in our teaching and preaching we take care not to confuse the religion of the Old Testament (often labeled “Yahwism”) with the subsequent Judaism, nor misleadingly speak about “Jews” in the Old Testament (“Israelites” or “Hebrews” being much more accurate terms), lest we obscure the basic claim of the New Testament and of the Gospel to being in substantial continuity with the Old Testament and that the fulfillment of the ancient promises came in Jesus Christ; and be it further

Resolved, That we avoid the recurring pitfall of recrimination (as illustrated by the remarks of Luther and many of the early church fathers) against those who do not respond positively to our evangelistic efforts; and be it finally

Resolved, That, in that light, we personally and individually adopt Luther’s final attitude toward the Jewish people, as evidenced in his last sermon: “We want to treat them with Christian love and to pray for them, so that they might become converted and would receive the Lord” (Weimar edition of Luther’s Works, Vol. 51, p. 195)."

And here is the ELCA's 1994 Declaration of the ELCA to the Jewish People,

"In the long history of the church, the treatment accorded the Jewish people by Christians has been among our most grievous and shameful legacies. Very few Christian communities of faith were able to escape the contagion of anti-Judaism and its modern successor, anti-Semitism. Lutherans belonging to the Lutheran World Federation and the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America feel a special burden in this regard because of certain elements in the legacy of the reformer Martin Luther and the catastrophes, including the Holocaust of the twentieth century, suffered by Jews in places where the Lutheran churches were strongly represented.

The Lutheran communion of faith is linked by name and heritage to the memory of Martin Luther, teacher and reformer. Honoring his name in our own, we recall his bold stand for truth, his earthy and sublime words of wisdom, and above all his witness to God’s saving Word. Luther proclaimed a gospel for people as we really are, bidding us to trust a grace sufficient to reach our deepest shames and address the most tragic truths.

In the spirit of that truth-telling, we who bear his name and heritage must with pain acknowledge also Luther’s anti-Judaic diatribes and the violent recommendations of his later writings against the Jews. As did many of Luther’s own companions in the sixteenth century, we reject this violent invective, and yet more do we express our deep and abiding sorrow over its tragic effects on subsequent generations. In concert with the Lutheran World Federation, we particularly deplore the appropriation in our day of Luther’s words by modern anti-Semites for the teaching of hatred and incitement to violence toward Judaism and the Jewish people.

Grieving the complicity of our own tradition within this history of hatred, moreover, we express our urgent desire to live out our faith in Jesus Christ with love and respect for the Jewish people. We recognize in anti-Semitism a contradiction and an affront to the Gospel, a violation of our hope and calling, and we pledge this church to oppose the deadly working of such bigotry, both within our own circles and in the society around us. Finally, we pray for the continued blessing of the Blessed One upon the increasing cooperation and understanding between Lutheran Christians and the Jewish community."

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Emun]

Was He speaking of ALL Jews or just those He was speaking to? He was not calling God the Father the devil, He was telling those He was speaking to that their DEEDS were evil..."You are doing the deeds of your father". BTW, there were Jews in Iran, Yemen, Greece and many other places that had never heard of Yeshua so they had nothing to do with any of it...

He was speaking of ALL Jews who don't believe in him. The Bible says that a person who does not believe in the gospel is worse than a person who breaks the Law of Moses. Can you imagine that? Worse than someone who breaks the Law of Moses. That is a clear statement.

Calling the God of the unbelievers the Christian God is blasphemy. If the religious Jews really believed in the Christian God, they would follow the Bible, but because they do not, their God is the enemy. Through what a person believes in, we can see which God he believes in.

 

[Douggg]

We live in the new covenant. Christianity is the only true religion with God. Judaism finally ended on April 7, 30 AD.

Judaism was defined to me by a rabbi as the religion of the Jews. It still is. But in the middle of the 70th week of Daniel 9, it will undergo change to embrace Jesus and the gospel of Salvation and all the principles and beliefs thereof.

 

[Emun]

Judaism was defined to me by a rabbi as the religion of the Jews. It still is. But in the middle of the 70th week of Daniel 9, it will undergo change to embrace Jesus and the gospel of Salvation and all the principles and beliefs thereof.

The Messiah (Daniel literally calls him Messiah) who finished the sacrifices in the middle of the 70th week is Jesus.

The dispensationalists who claim that this Messiah is the Antichrist are committing a huge sin.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

He was speaking of ALL Jews who don't believe in him. The Bible says that a person who does not believe in the gospel is worse than a person who breaks the Law of Moses. Can you imagine that? Worse than someone who breaks the Law of Moses. That is a clear statement.

Calling the God of the unbelievers the Christian God is blasphemy. If the religious Jews really believed in the Christian God, they would follow the Bible, but because they do not, their God is the enemy. Through what a person believes in, we can see which God he believes in.

He was ONLY speaking to those in front of Him and He was speaking regarding their DEEDS. So you think the God of Mt Sinai is different than Yeshua's Father?

 

[whatisinausername]

Judaism was defined to me by a rabbi as the religion of the Jews. It still is. But in the middle of the 70th week of Daniel 9, it will undergo change to embrace Jesus and the gospel of Salvation and all the principles and beliefs thereof.

Which version of Judaism?

 

[whatisinausername]

Um, Trump is not even Jewish...

That would explain why he hides information on his taxes.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

That would explain why he hides information on his taxes.

What is that supposed to mean.???

 

[dfw69]

He was speaking of ALL Jews who don't believe in him. The Bible says that a person who does not believe in the gospel is worse than a person who breaks the Law of Moses. Can you imagine that? Worse than someone who breaks the Law of Moses. That is a clear statement.

Calling the God of the unbelievers the Christian God is blasphemy. If the religious Jews really believed in the Christian God, they would follow the Bible, but because they do not, their God is the enemy. Through what a person believes in, we can see which God he believes in.

God is the god of all non believers not willing that any should perish but all come to repentance

He loves the world including the sinners , Jesus died for everyone all non believers…to say god is not the god of the Jews or anyone else is just wrong

God is god over all false gods emun

Anyone can call on his name to be saved why? Because god is god over all

 

[dfw69]

He was speaking of ALL Jews who don't believe in him. The Bible says that a person who does not believe in the gospel is worse than a person who breaks the

The Messiah (Daniel literally calls him Messiah) who finished the sacrifices in the middle of the 70th week is Jesus.

The dispensationalists who claim that this Messiah is the Antichrist are committing a huge sin.

If Christ fulfilled the 70th week then why did he say this Matt 24:15?

 

[Emun]

If Christ fulfilled the 70th week then why did he say this Matt 24:15?

This was fulfilled in 70 AD.

Benson's comment to Matthew 24:15:
Daniel’s expression is, The abomination that maketh desolate. By which term is intended the desolating Roman armies with their standards. To every legion was a golden eagle with expanded wings, grasping a thunderbolt. These eagles, with the standards of the cohorts, ten in each legion, were objects of worship among the Romans, and therefore were an abomination to the Jews. We learn from Josephus, that after the city was taken, the Romans brought their ensigns into the temple, and placed them over against the eastern gate, and there sacrificed to them.

 

[dfw69]

This was fulfilled in 70 AD.

Benson's comment to Matthew 24:15:
Daniel’s expression is, The abomination that maketh desolate. By which term is intended the desolating Roman armies with their standards. To every legion was a golden eagle with expanded wings, grasping a thunderbolt. These eagles, with the standards of the cohorts, ten in each legion, were objects of worship among the Romans, and therefore were an abomination to the Jews. We learn from Josephus, that after the city was taken, the Romans brought their ensigns into the temple, and placed them over against the eastern gate, and there sacrificed to them.

How can you not see that is not correct?

Jesus mentioned the AOD as happening before his return as a sign and rev Jesus revealed it’s an idol

The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.
18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man.[e] That number is 666.

 

[Douggg]

Which version of Judaism?

Orthodox.

 

[Douggg]

The Messiah (Daniel literally calls him Messiah) who finished the sacrifices in the middle of the 70th week is Jesus.

The dispensationalists who claim that this Messiah is the Antichrist are committing a huge sin.

The chart is wrong. Jesus, the messiah arrived in Jerusalem, hailed as the messiah, KIng of Israel in John 12:12-15. 4 days later he was crucified. The 70th week is still future. The confirmation of the covenant for 7 years, will be an action taken by the Antichrist, false King of Israel messiah, as he follows Moses instructions in Deuteronomy 31:9-13 to confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant on a 7 year interval.

There is nothing in Daniel 9 prophesying when the messiah begins his ministry or that there would even be one. Ministry is not even mentioned in Daniel 9.

 

[Emun]

Jesus mentioned the AOD as happening before his return as a sign and rev Jesus revealed it’s an idol

70 AD is before his return.

The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.
18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man.[e] That number is 666.

The image of the beast isn't the Abomination of Desolation of Daniel 9.