The Meaning of the Heavens Will be Rolled up Like a Scroll

[Neogaia777]

Yes there are many anti-christs in this world. But their is also the Main Anti-christ also called the wicked one that will come in the end times.. We see this clearly spelt out in the verse below..

1 John 2 KJV
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

So that antichrist is pointing to one particular antichrist who they had been told was going to come..

But at the same time that there are many antichrists who are of the same spirit as that particular antichrist.. There where such people around in the days of John..

Yes, but the verses I quoted, tell you what a Antichrist or the Antichrist isn't or doesn't do, like worship the Father and The Son, will deny and not acknowledge that Jesus came in the flesh (as God) two thousand years ago, ect...

This is one way to tell if you, or another is of a spirit of Antichrist, or not, is by this criteria...

God Bless!

 

[Radrook]

Obviously some type of replacement is to take place. Some understand that replacement as a complete recreation or restoration of the entire universe to its former pristine condition prior to sin. I Others understand it to signify the replacement of the present wicked heavens which holds sway over the Earth in the form of Satanic influence with the full administrative power of God's heavenly kingdom.

Ephesians 6:12 ►
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For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

Daniel 2:44 ►
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"In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever.

 

[dqhall]

The Day of the Lord (World English Bible - Public Domain)

1 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fervent heat, and the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.

11 Therefore since all these things will be destroyed like this, what kind of people ought you to be in holy living and godliness, 12 looking for and earnestly desiring the coming of the day of God, which will cause the burning heavens to be dissolved, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 But, according to his promise, we look for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.

 

[cgaviria]

Obviously some type of replacement is to take place. Some understand that replacement as a complete recreation or restoration of the entire universe to its former pristine condition prior to sin. I Others understand it to signify the replacement of the present wicked heavens which holds sway over the Earth in the form of Satanic influence with the full administrative power of God's heavenly kingdom.

The new heaven and new earth will be a new creation, not a restoration of the old, hence "behold I make all things new!" There would be no purpose in restoring back the old creation, for the old creation was designed to be temporal, was designed to to have evil, was designed to have death, and was designed to be destroyed. Just like this old creation has had appointed aeons, so will the new creation have aeons upon aeons that God will appoint, whose times are a mystery to us, but we know from what the prophets declare, and also Revelation, how it begins.

 

[Radrook]

The new heaven and new earth will be a new creation, not a restoration of the old, hence "behold I make all things new!" There would be no purpose in restoring back the old creation, for the old creation was designed to be temporal, was designed to to have evil, was designed to have death, and was designed to be destroyed. Just like this old creation has had appointed aeons, so will the new creation have aeons upon aeons that God will appoint, whose times are a mystery to us, but we know from what the prophets declare, and also Revelation, how it begins.

I don't know where that concept that God created everything defective from the start is gotten from but the isn't a biblical one since God's work is referred to as good and perfect and evil is repeatedly described as being hateful in his eyes. In fact, for that to be true God would need to doesn't consider death normal. But instead he calls it an enemy that demands removal..

“The last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing.”—1 CORINTHIANS 15:26.

Also, work is described as perfect and corruption is not attributed to his design but to the disobedience of mankind.

Deuteronomy 32:4 ►
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He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he.

Romans 5:12 ►
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Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned--

So his making all things new does involve a restoration of the original PERFECT design where death did not exist and animal prerdation since death through it was never intended.

Genesis 1:29 ►
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Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

Isaiah 11:6 ►
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The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together; and a little child will lead them.

BTW
The concept of a restoration isn't my idea. It is a biblical concept which is clearly explained by the scriptures already quoted.

Acts 3:21 ►
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Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets.

Part of the restoration is the removal of death and suffering. If they had been considered normal then the restoration would not involve their removal.

Revelation 21:4 ►
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He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death' or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."

So I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[cgaviria]

I don't know where that concept that God created everything defective from the start is gotten from but the isn't a biblical one since God's work is referred to as good and perfect and evil is repeatedly described as being hateful in his eyes. In fact, for that to be true God would need to doesn't consider death normal. But instead he calls it an enemy that demands removal..



Also, work is described as perfect and corruption is not attributed to his design but to the disobedience of mankind.





So his making all things new does involve a restoration of the original PERFECT design where death did not exist and animal prerdation since death through it was never intended.






BTW
The concept of a restoration isn't my idea. It is a biblical concept which is clearly explained by the scriptures already quoted.



Part of the restoration is the removal of death and suffering. If they had been considered normal then the restoration would not involve their removal.




So I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

This earth was created in a "good" state, hence why the scriptures declare, "good saw that everything was good...", however this earth was appointed to eventually have evil, hence why a "tree of good and evil" was created, and also to have death, hence why disobedience of the command to not eat of the fruit of that tree resulted in death. Not that the earth was initially made with evil and death, but that the earth was prepared and designed to have these things come unto it eventually, at appointed times. It is no different than if I made a script for a theatre drama, and made an initial set that was good, and in that set, there were appointed acts and props that are to appear in that set as the play carries on. The same relation happens with the earth, the earth was staged and prepared for everything that was to come unto it. This is predestination. When this earth ends, there will then be an entirely new earth that will be created, with newly appointed times and acts in that earth.

 

[Radrook]

This earth was created in a "good" state, hence why the scriptures declare, "good saw that everything was good...", however this earth was appointed to eventually have evil, hence why a "tree of good and evil" was created, and also to have death, hence why disobedience of the command to not eat of the fruit of that tree resulted in death. Not that the earth was initially made with evil and death, but that the earth was prepared and designed to have these things come unto it eventually, at appointed times. It is no different than if I made a script for a theatre drama, and made an initial set that was good, and in that set, there were appointed acts and props that are to appear in that set as the play carries on. The same relation happens with the earth, the earth was staged and prepared for everything that was to come unto it. This is predestination. When this earth ends, there will then be an entirely new earth that will be created, with newly appointed times and acts in that earth.

Well, I guess we will have to agree to disagree on those points concerning that God predestined this mess we are in by cunningly luring Adam and Eve into sinning via that tree. To be honest, that kind of an entity you are describing doesn't appear to me as worthy of admiration, or imitation and much less of worship.

 

[cgaviria]

Well, I guess we will have to agree to disagree on those points concerning that God predestined this mess we are in by cunningly luring Adam and Eve into sinning via that tree. To be honest, that kind of an entity you are describing doesn't appear to me as worthy of admiration, or imitation and much less of worship.

Why, because God is more powerful than you previously thought, and because of that there is more reason to fear him? I have a study on predestination here Predestination, All Things are Determined by God, Even the Outcome of a Roll of a Dice | Wisdom of God . Learn about it, because without understanding predestination it is not possible to have understanding in other matters. This is a doctrine taught by scripture.

 

[vinsight4u]

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[vinsight4u]

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[LoveofTruth]

This study explains what it means that the "sky will be rolled up like a scroll". The study can be found in English here The Meaning of the Heavens Will be Rolled up Like a Scroll | Wisdom of God or in Spanish here El Significado De los Cielos Serán Enrollados Como un Pergamino | Sabiduria de Dios . Let us begin a discussion on these matters.

do you actually think you are one of the 144,000?

yes or no

 

[vinsight4u]

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[vinsight4u]

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[cgaviria]

do you actually think you are one of the 144,000?

yes or no

Once you receive the holy spirit then you are one of the 144,000 , for that is the seal of God. You can never lose him once you are sealed, for you have been chosen by God.

 

[LoveofTruth]

Once you receive the holy spirit then you are one of the 144,000 , for that is the seal of God. You can never lose him once you are sealed, for you have been chosen by God.

You are mixed up here ,

Every believer in Jesus Christ can have the Holy Spirit.

And some have done despite the Spirit and denied the faith and ended up in hell

Judas was a sheep sent to the lost sheep and he fell by transgression and had his name blotted out of the book of life

 

[LoveofTruth]

Once you receive the holy spirit then you are one of the 144,000 , for that is the seal of God. You can never lose him once you are sealed, for you have been chosen by God.

Which one if the 12 tribes of Israel are you from and do you have proof?

 

[cgaviria]

You are mixed up here ,

Every believer in Jesus Christ can have the Holy Spirit.

And some have done despite the Spirit and denied the faith and ended up in hell

Judas was a sheep sent to the lost sheep and he fell by transgression and had his name blotted out of the book of life

Not everyone who believes in Jesus Christ receives the holy spirit. For there are even apostate churches today that condone and embrace homosexuality, that still certainly believe in Jesus Christ, but rest assured, they do not have the holy spirit. The seal is the holy spirit, and only a few are chosen to receive him, hence "many are called, but few are chosen."

 

[cgaviria]

Which one if the 12 tribes of Israel are you from and do you have proof?

I do not know, but I know my family descends from Sephardi that migrated from Spain to Colombia. I am born American, as a Gentile, but of Colombian/Spanish/Sephardi heritage. The details of which tribe I would pertain to, I do not know, it is a mystery, but all will be revealed at the coming of the Lord.

 

[LoveofTruth]

Not everyone who believes in Jesus Christ receives the holy spirit. For there are even apostate churches today that condone and embrace homosexuality, that still certainly believe in Jesus Christ, but rest assured, they do not have the holy spirit. The seal is the holy spirit, and only a few are chosen to receive him, hence "many are called, but few are chosen."

This is not so again, read Galatians 3 and see how they received the Spirit by the hearing of faith and then went back into sin and the law etc and Paul stood in doubt of them and they would have been preaching another gospel to do so and been damned or cursed.

Paul said that if they did so they had fallen from grace he desired that they be born again , again until Christ be formed in them again .

"This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

 

[vinsight4u]

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