the Mandela Effect...

[HopeInJesusOnly]

Question: Have you received the Holy Ghost since you became a believer?

I was baptized as a child and I don't think a day goes by where Jesus is not on my mind.

Thing is, I suffered abuse growing up, so trauma became embedded into my DNA very young. Trusting is virtually impossible when someone who is supposed to keep you safe takes advantage. You also start to believe lies which are meant to keep you quiet or insecure (you're not worthy, nobody loves you but me, etc.).

Which leads me to my next question: could trauma, or something on a repressed or unconscious level, bring out this effect?

P.S. I find the M.E. very difficult to process. I don't feel special for seeing it. On the contrary, I feel excluded.

 

[The Parson]

Why would you want to see the effect? It's not something that brings peace.

Well quite frankly, it's actual empirical evidence to all that the Bible is true. Being a creature of faith, it wasn't really necessary for those who are born again. But what a powerful witnessing tool it is to the lost. The spirit of antichrist gives us a sows ear, and we can make a silk purse out of it. And the children of God need to be rejoicing that this is happening.

And we need to quit treating this event as the "Mandela Effect". It's a biblically proclaimed supernatural event and is directly resulting from Daniel 7:25 and Amos 8:11-12 prophecies. Everything that's happening in the world today is because of these prophecies.

I suffered abuse growing up, so trauma became embedded into my DNA very young. Trusting is virtually impossible when someone who is supposed to keep you safe takes advantage.

I feel your pain. I really do. But if you are a born again child of God, that trust has to come somewhere and with someone who's also a child of God who is called to minister. Wouldn't you agree?

 

[HopeInJesusOnly]

But what a powerful witnessing tool it is to the lost. The spirit of antichrist gives us a sows ear, and we can make a silk purse out of it. And the children of God need to be rejoicing that this is happening.

*****EDIT: I have gone back and read prior posts. I gather you are a pastor and also see the changes? This gives me comfort. For awhile now I feared being an apostate, or "uninvited" somehow. This is why I referenced Jacob's ladder.

 

[HopeInJesusOnly]

Is there anybody who sees this effect and feels privileged?

Just curious.

 

[Howard1955]

I was baptized as a child and I don't think a day goes by where Jesus is not on my mind.

Thing is, I suffered abuse growing up, so trauma became embedded into my DNA very young. Trusting is virtually impossible when someone who is supposed to keep you safe takes advantage. You also start to believe lies which are meant to keep you quiet or insecure (you're not worthy, nobody loves you but me, etc.).

Which leads me to my next question: could trauma, or something on a repressed or unconscious level, bring out this effect?

P.S. I find the M.E. very difficult to process. I don't feel special for seeing it. On the contrary, I feel excluded.

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I don’t know if there are past experiences or traits that cause us to be aware of this Effect. I know that some of us are trying to figure it out; trying to find a common denominator in all of us who are affected. So far, I haven’t seen anything that ties us all together - beyond the fact that we are affected.

I’m very, very sorry to hear that you have suffered so badly. I cannot completely understand why that kind of experience happens in this world, but I know this: Our Heavenly Father is much finer, much nobler, much better than we are. Than anyone is. His goodness and purity is such that we rightly call him “Holy”.

I will ask him to help you find some peace about the QE/ME, and to comfort you.

Whatever is going on, God is ultimately in charge. I wish (how I wish!) we didn’t have to suffer so much in this life. Even the Lord himself suffered horribly.

I do believe that we are nearing the end of this Age, and the return of the Lord. If you can find a United Pentecostal Church to attend, I recommend that you do. They aren’t perfect, and their behavior might be a bit odd - but they are the closest thing I’ve been able to find to a Book of Acts Church.

They won’t understand the QE/ME, so don’t bother trying to explain it to them. Or to anyone, for that matter. (I’m grateful to have found people I can talk with about these things. You are a blessing to me.)

I don’t know if being affected is a blessing, or a curse. We will find out as time goes by.

 

[HopeInJesusOnly]

I'm far from ready to buy into this but am curious what is really going on with the guy. I pray he doesn't have a nervous breakdown or hasn't already.

How is your friend doing nowadays?

 

[Dave G.]

How is your friend doing nowadays?

Things haven't worked out well for us to meet, mostly due to his work. But last I knew he appears to have switched bibles. We were going to meet once over the winter and never heard back from him since. Not sure what that's about honestly. One good thing though is he seems to have more work lately, he had a bad dry spell there for awhile. Thanks for asking though !!

 

[The Parson]

*****EDIT: I have gone back and read prior posts. I gather you are a pastor and also see the changes? This gives me comfort. For awhile now I feared being an apostate, or "uninvited" somehow. This is why I referenced Jacob's ladder.

Good, for a minute there I thought you misunderstood me. Don't feel uninvited. If you've called on Jesus to save you, you ARE NOT uninvited...As a matter of fact you are a child of the King. Born again and adopted into the family of God. That makes you one of His sheep. Jesus said: John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Why would you want to see the effect? It's not something that brings peace.

The 'effect' is a spoof on reality - a false teaching like the enemy used in the garden - mixing (as if) a little truth with a humongous lie, thus then and thus today deceiving multitudes even of many believers, whether true or false believers I don't know and won't speculate.
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"changes seen are nefarious" is almost a quote of Scripture, except not recognizing the truth.
Scripture says ALL society is nefarious (Galatians) (but instead of nefarious uses the word: pernicious). i.e. death dealing.
as written, the enemy comes to kill , to steal and to destroy. not to help, encourage or heal.
Thus daily is seen death and destruction, 'changes' of uncountable numbers, 'under' the price of the power of the air (Ephesians 2).
The deception of the political or social term concerning as if some demonic effect
is that it ignores all Scripture, does not listen to the Shepherd Jesus, and 'likes' or 'uses' the various "effect"s with a demonic or a fleshly / worldly/ carnal explanation instead of
trusting Yahweh The Creator and His Word, as HE REVEALS , as Written in His Word.
And in the world, "nothing (of the flesh/ of the world) is a "good thing" --- only what is from above is good, as written "EVERY GOOD gift is from above" (from the Father).

The deceptive explanations using all human ingenuity / speculation/ lies/ deceptions/ even "persuasive" words , (as warned against in the Epistles),
are ways that might "look right" to some men, but the end thereof is destruction. Following those ways is "instead of" following Jesus;
"instead of" receiving the Truth from the Father in heaven,
The Father who we can and should always trust, and His Son Jesus. Always.

The changes seen are nefarious, and God is not the author of confusion.

It's like the Tower of Babel all over again, and that's not a good thing.

 

[Howard1955]

The 'effect' is a spoof on reality - a false teaching like the enemy used in the garden - mixing (as if) a little truth with a humongous lie, thus then and thus today deceiving multitudes even of many believers, whether true or false believers I don't know and won't speculate.
===========================================
"changes seen are nefarious" is almost a quote of Scripture, except not recognizing the truth.
Scripture says ALL society is nefarious (Galatians) (but instead of nefarious uses the word: pernicious). i.e. death dealing.
as written, the enemy comes to kill , to steal and to destroy. not to help, encourage or heal.
Thus daily is seen death and destruction, 'changes' of uncountable numbers, 'under' the price of the power of the air (Ephesians 2).
The deception of the political or social term concerning as if some demonic effect
is that it ignores all Scripture, does not listen to the Shepherd Jesus, and 'likes' or 'uses' the various "effect"s with a demonic or a fleshly / worldly/ carnal explanation instead of
trusting Yahweh The Creator and His Word, as HE REVEALS , as Written in His Word.
And in the world, "nothing (of the flesh/ of the world) is a "good thing" --- only what is from above is good, as written "EVERY GOOD gift is from above" (from the Father).

The deceptive explanations using all human ingenuity / speculation/ lies/ deceptions/ even "persuasive" words , (as warned against in the Epistles),
are ways that might "look right" to some men, but the end thereof is destruction. Following those ways is "instead of" following Jesus;
"instead of" receiving the Truth from the Father in heaven,
The Father who we can and should always trust, and His Son Jesus. Always.

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I hope you aren’t judging and condemning to Hell those of us who are seeing changes. We did not ask for this experience, but are having it nonetheless.

I won’t belittle you, or debate about what is happening. I will only tell you that something very, very unusual is happening. Some people seem to experience it in a positive way, while others become quite anxious.

I believe it may be the Daniel 7:25 prophecy unfolding. We shall see.

In any case, keep looking up. The Lord Jesus is coming.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

In any case, keep looking up. The Lord Jesus is coming.

Always!
Whoever stays their mind upon Christ, IS KEPT IN PERFECT PEACE. (as written and in harmony with ALL Scripture).
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Never judge anything unrighteously - always agree with the Father's Judgment.
Never belittle anyone, as Jesus never did nor ever does.
The APOSTLES , well FIRST of all JESUS SAW the changes then, and now.
Jesus had to explain to the Apostles , and/or the Father did, opening their minds as necessary to have understanding, many and/or all things.
This is STILL TRUTH TODAY. Unless the Father reveals it/ grants it/ no man can grasp anything.

Jesus and the Father reveal the spiritual truth to spiritual men (and women).
There is no amount of effort able to achieve the atonement or salvation or understanding
the way the Father Reveals According to His Word. And the Father only reveals the Truth. Meanwhile, until He does, we either stumble along not knowing, or patiently wait on Him, with quiet confidence in Him.

I hope you aren’t judging and condemning to Hell those of us who are seeing changes. We did not ask for this experience, but are having it nonetheless.
I won’t belittle you, or debate about what is happening. I will only tell you that something very, very unusual is happening. Some people seem to experience it in a positive way, while others become quite anxious.

The world is death dealing, not life giving. Is this a positive thing? It is what Yahweh Says in His Word.
The world, yes, the whole world is deceived and thus deceiving others, seeking to prevent anyone from being saved, seeking (perniciously) to drag every down in the same destruction, no matter where they are. (as written)
Is anything wrong with this ?
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Every Word of Yahweh (every prophecy also) is True Truth, and is or will be fulfilled as Jesus Says.
This includes Daniel as Yahweh Reveals to His little children. (and perhaps appropriately to His 'prophets', as written in His Word) .

Most of the world never sees, never repents of serving the demons. (The Apocalypse).

Whoever Trusts in Jesus has Life.
Whoever Trusts not in Jesus has not Life.

I believe it may be the Daniel 7:25 prophecy unfolding. We shall see.

 

[The Parson]

The 'effect' is a spoof on reality - a false teaching like the enemy used in the garden - mixing (as if) a little truth with a humongous lie, thus then and thus today deceiving multitudes even of many believers, whether true or false believers I don't know and won't speculate.

Hardly a spoof. However, not even addressing the changes that are happening in the world, the scriptures that I've studied and known for nearly 50 years have been changed. And the changes in the world are nothing more than a result of the spirit of antichrist doing his thing to Gods word. Something, by the way, God is allowing. (Daniel 7:25) Please don't be blind to it.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (KJV)

• Was heavens plural, not heaven singular.

Exodus 24:12 And the Lord said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them. (KJV)

• Was Tablets, not tables.

Exodus 25:22 And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel. (KJV)

• Was Ark of the Covenant, not ark of the testimony.

Leviticus 12:8 And if she be not able to bring a lamb, then she shall bring two turtles, or two young pigeons; the one for the burnt offering, and the other for a sin offering: and the priest shall make an atonement for her, and she shall be clean. (KJV)

• Was turtledoves, not turtles.

Numbers 24:8 God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows. (KJV)

• Was wild ox, not unicorn.

Job 21:24 His breasts are full of milk, and his bones are moistened with marrow. (KJV)

• His sides are full of fat, not breasts full of milk.

Psalms 78:65 Then the Lord awaked as one out of sleep, and like a mighty man that shouteth by reason of wine. (KJV)

• The psalmist is comparing God to a drunk man being woke up.

Isaiah 13:21 But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there, and satyrs shall dance there. (KJV)

• It was evil spirits, not satyrs.

Isaiah 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any. (KJV)

• It was there is no other God, not there is no God.

Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. (KJV)

• It was vex, not wear out.

And on and on. These are just a few of the changes.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

These are just a few of the changes.

so then, yes, a spoof. a deception. Attempts to describe it by some human terms (or demonic) do not reveal the truth about this. Yahweh clearly reveals the truth about this. He sent Jesus to set us free from the spoofs , as He set His Own Apostles free, and said so, and says so.

 

[HopeInJesusOnly]

so then, yes, a spoof. a deception. Attempts to describe it by some human terms (or demonic) do not reveal the truth about this. Yahweh clearly reveals the truth about this. He sent Jesus to set us free from the spoofs , as He set His Own Apostles free, and said so, and says so.

Definitely a deception of sorts. We see this, too. The question is why.

Out of curiosity, do you own a KJV bible? Have you looked up the examples provided to you above? Sure you can see them online (example: GENESIS 1:1 KJV "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."), but seeing the changes in your own bible really hits the point home.

God bless.

 

[Dave G.]

By the way, the so called "changes" are not in my NKJV which is the version printed to correct inaccuracies known to be in the KJV. If there is an effect or deception, I believe it's in human minds not in hard copy print. We perceive something that never was, perceiving it to have been different. Just sayin.

 

[HopeInJesusOnly]

By the way, the so called "changes" are not in my NKJV which is the version printed to correct inaccuracies known to be in the KJV. If there is an effect or deception, I believe it's in human minds not in hard copy print. We perceive something that never was, perceiving it to have been different. Just sayin.

The changes weren't initially in my KJV, either, which is how I know the accurate verses.

But there are other things, too. The dollar sign used to have 2 bars across the S for me, now it only has one, so it looks like this: $. I would show you one with a double bar, but it's no longer an option on my phone.

How do you remember the dollar sign?

Serious question.

 

[The Parson]

so then, yes, a spoof. a deception. Attempts to describe it by some human terms (or demonic) do not reveal the truth about this. Yahweh clearly reveals the truth about this. He sent Jesus to "set" us free from the spoofs , as He "set" His Own Apostles free, and said so, and says so.

Well then, isn't that interesting. The very verse's about us being "set free" that are the basis for your argument have been changed also.

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be make free? 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. (KJV)

• It was set, not make, yet you quoted it as it's supposed to be...

Bee's Knee's Louise friend. I've preached this countless times from my King James. Look in your NKJV and tell me what you read?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Well then, isn't that interesting. The very verse's about us being "set free" that are the basis for your argument have been changed also.

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be make free? 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. (KJV)

• It was set, not make, yet you quoted it as it's supposed to be...

Bee's Knee's Louise friend. I've preached this countless times from my King James. Look in your NKJV and tell me what you read?

More evidence of some worldwide, long-standing, spoof? I cannot tell what you are trying to understand ?
Be more simple, state what it is clearly, if a reply is desired.

 

[Dave G.]

The changes weren't initially in my KJV, either, which is how I know the accurate verses.

But there are other things, too. The dollar sign used to have 2 bars across the S for me, now it only has one, so it looks like this: $. I would show you one with a double bar, but it's no longer an option on my phone.

How do you remember the dollar sign?

Serious question.

I recall two, my wife recalls one. And our live in guest remembers two. We are all 60 and 70s years old here. But that's the point, it's open to perception. Also it depends on font style, could well be printed in a different font today. If you look up various fonts you can find double lines or single line on the dollar sign...... Just sayin.

By the way, my wife's Geneva bible has some of the KJV supposed alterations but not others and it predates the KJV... The NKJV obviously post dates the KJV and is unaffected....

 

[Howard1955]

Just out of curiosity, I’d like to ask:

Do any of you folks recall studying about Australia and it being chosen as a penal colony, in part because of its isolation?