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Featured The Lord's Day of Vengeance and Wrath

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by keras, Oct 1, 2017.

  1. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

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    There will be a great Day of vengeance and wrath against the enemies of the Lord and it seems that it may be the next dramatic happening that we will experience here on earth.

    Isaiah 63:1-6 Who is this coming from Edom?.... in power and victory....I trod on the nations in My anger, their blood stained My garments. I resolved on a Day of vengeance, the year for redeeming My own had come.
    Rev 14:14-16 ...there appeared a Man wearing a gold crown and with a sickle in His hand. He swept over the earth with His sickle and the earth was reaped.

    These two passages describe the Lord Jesus carrying out God’s judgement on His enemies. This must take place before His glorious Return, because at that time, He is described as coming robed in a garment dyed in blood. Rev 19:13

    Isaiah 66:15-16 See, the Lord is coming in fire, [not on the clouds, in glory, as at the Return] His sword will test mankind. Many will be slain. The Lord’s enemies will all meet their end.
    Micah 5:15 In anger and fury, I shall wreak vengeance on the nations who disobey Me.
    Psalms 50:1-3…. Our God is coming, in consuming fire and a raging storm.
    Habakkuk 3:12 Furiously You traverse the earth, in anger You trample down the nations.
    Isaiah 59:15-18 The Lord was displeased...outraged... so He put on garments of vengeance. According to their wicked deeds, He will repay.
    Malachi 4:1 The Day comes, burning like a furnace, all evildoers will be stubble.
    Hebrews 10:27 A terrifying judgement of fire that will consume Gods enemies.

    So, the Lords vengeance is to be as ‘a consuming fire, burning like a furnace’. 2 Peter 3:7 This can be paralleled by Ezekiel 20:46-47...I am about to kindle a fire in the Negev, its fiery flame will scorch everyone to the North. This passage and others, clearly describe a Coronal Mass Ejection from the sun. Proved by Isaiah 30:26a, Psalms 50:1-3, Malachi 4:1 This will happen at the moment the attackers of Israel prepare to strike. Psalms 11:4-6, Isaiah 21:2... Advance Elam, up Media to the siege! Do not hesitate! [Elam & Media = Iran] Many prophecies tell of the destruction of Israel’s attackers. Amos 1, Jeremiah 49:35-37, Psalms 83:1-18, Zephaniah 1:14-18 & 2:4-5

    But, for all Christian believers, who trust the Lord, we have: Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21

    1 Peter 4:17-18 For it is time for the judgement to begin – it is beginning with Gods own
    household. [In the holy Land]

    Isaiah 35:4 Say to the anxious; be strong! God will save you, at the time of His vengeance. Isaiah 30:26b

    Jeremiah 12:14-17 These are the words of the Lord; all those evil peoples who have encroached onto the Land, which I allotted to My people, Israel as their holding, I shall uproot them. Also I shall uproot Judah, but I shall have pity on them and bring them back, IF they learn the ways [Christian faith] of My People. The nation that will not change its ways, I shall destroy.
    This passage clearly tells about the clearance of the Land of Israel, which will happen as a result of the Lords Day of wrath. Then it says that some Jews may return, provided they believe in the Lord Jesus. This proves that by then, His people: all the Christian peoples of God, will have migrated to and settled into all of the holy Land. Rev 7:9
     
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  2. Hall

    Hall God is good

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    As time went by humanity has become too used to mortality, it has become almost impossible to think beyond. Death has become the biggest worry when it should have become rhe biggest event to look forward to (if one is saved).
     
  3. BABerean2

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    Joh 4:20  Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. 
    Joh 4:21  Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 
    Joh 4:22  Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 
    Joh 4:23  But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 
    Joh 4:24  God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


    In the passage above Christ said earthly Jerusalem would not be the place where we would worship. 



    Gal 4:25  For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. 
    Gal 4:26
      But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. 


    Paul compares the two Jerusalems above.


    2Th 1:7  And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 
    2Th 1:8  In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 
    2Th 1:9  Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 
    2Th 1:10  When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.


    He will return in "flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not know God.
     



    Heb 11:15  And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. 
    Heb 11:16  But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city. 


    We see above that the Old Testament saints are looking forward to a heavenly city.



    2Pe 3:10  But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 
    2Pe 3:11  Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 
    2Pe 3:12  Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 
    2Pe 3:13  Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 


    I love you Brother, but we may not agree on this one.

    My destination is not in the Jerusalem of this rotten, sin-cursed world.


    Rev_3:12  Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

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  4. Riberra

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    That is not associated with the 6 TH SEAL...but with Revelation 14:9-13 and Revelation 15:2-3 ...

    Then after the reaping of Revelation 14:14-16 ----

    Will come the other reaping ie [the winepress of the wrath of God ]...
    Revelation 14:17-20 ----which refers to Armageddon [Revelation 19:15]

    Revelation 14:17-20
    17 Another angel came out from the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

    18 And another angel came out from the altar, he that hath power over fire; and he called with a great voice to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Send forth thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

    19 And the angel cast his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vintage of the earth, and cast it into the winepress, the great [winepress], of the wrath of God.

    20 And the winepress are trodden without the city, and there came out blood from the winepress, even unto the bridles of the horses, as far as a thousand and six hundred furlongs .

    [Revelation 19:15]
    15 And out of his mouth proceedeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth THE WINEPRESS of the fierceness OF THE WRATH of GOD, the Almighty.
     
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  5. keras

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    I see Revelation 14:14-20 as the one event, although divided by 24 hours, as the massive explosion of the sun that the Lord will use, will be.
    First, the EMP flash that will destroy all the attacking armies against Israel and cause their weapons to explode; nuke missiles on the launch pad, etc.
    Then, 24 hours later the main mass of superheated hydrogen plasma arrives- the angel with fire comes and gathers in the wicked from around the earth. Isaiah 66:15-17, Hebrews 10:27, 2 Peter 3:7 & 10

    Armageddon is merely a disposal by Jesus of the Anti-Christ's armies by the Sword of His Word.
    What you quote is true for this Church age, now nearly over.
    Bible prophecy is plain, we do go to live in all of the holy land. Romans 9:24-26....in the very place... and Revelation 5:10....we will be priests and rulers on earth...
    God's people are seen there in Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7
    It is us Christians that God wants to fulfil His plan, that has never yet happened; of a people who will be His witnesses and His light to the nations. Isaiah 43_10, Isaiah 49:8, Acts 1-8b
     
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  6. BABerean2

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    Which Holy Land?

    New Heavens and a New Earth (subtitle from eSword)

    Isa 65:17  For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. 
    Isa 65:18  But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. 

    Based on the text above and 2 Peter 3:10-13, this rotten, sin-cursed world will be gone after the return of Christ and it will be replaced with a New Heavens and a New Earth.

    We will be in Jerusalem, but it will not be the one that now exists here on earth.

    Our Jerusalem is now outside of our dimension of space and time.
    However, it is coming here.


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  7. Goatee

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    Day of wrath came for those in Jerusalem around 70AD.
     
  8. BABerean2

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    The suffering during 70 AD was more than one day.


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  9. Goatee

    Goatee Jesus, please forgive me, a sinner.

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    Yes. How long is a day to God though!
     
  10. Riberra

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    Revelation 14:14-20 cannot in no way refers to the 6 TH Seal events of Revelation 6:12-17....because at the time of Revelation 14:14-20... 7 Trumpets will have sounded [Revelation 8] [Revelation 9] and [Revelation 11:14-15]...

    --Remember that the 7TH trumpet is related to the THIRD WOE [Satan cast out of heaven giving power to the Beast ...the 42 months reign of the Beast [Revelation 13]...

    Revelation 11:14-15
    14 The second Woe is past: behold, the third Woe cometh quickly.

    15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there followed great voices in heaven, and they said, The kingdom of the world is become [the kingdom] of our Lord, and of his Christ: and he shall reign for ever and ever.
     
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  11. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

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    The one given to Abraham. Genesis 15:18
    The area that God's people have never fully occupied and have never done what He required. But WE will and great will be the time!
    I do see all the references to the Day of the Lord's wrath, as the one single event. The Sixth Seal.
    It is a well established Bible truth, that the Book of Revelation does often refer back the previously prophesied things, to fill in more detail.
    The only definitive sequence is the Seals, Trumpets and Bowls, then comes the Return of Jesus and after the 1000 years: the New Jerusalem and Eternity.
     
  12. Riberra

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    The reaping made by Jesus mentioned in Revelation 14:14-16 will be the SOULS of the Christians who will refuse to take the mark and will refuse to worship the Beast and his image....

    It follow the clear warning made in
    Revelation 14:9-13
    9 And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a great voice, If any man worshippeth the beast and his image, and receiveth a mark on his forehead, or upon his hand, 10 he also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is prepared unmixed in the cup of his anger; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 and the smoke of their torment goeth up for ever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, they that worship the beast and his image, and whoso receiveth the mark of his name.

    12 Here is the patience of the saints, they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

    13 And I heard the voice from heaven saying, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from henceforth: yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labors; for their works follow with them.

    -The reaping -

    14 And I saw, and behold, a white cloud; and on the cloud [I saw] one sitting like unto a son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand sharp sickle.

    15 And another angel came out from the temple, crying with a great voice to him that sat on the cloud, Send forth thy sickle, and reap: for the hour to reap is come; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

    16 And he that sat on the cloud cast his sickle upon the earth; and the earth was reaped.
     
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  13. BABerean2

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    Jos 21:43  And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein. 


    Jos 21:44  And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand. 

    Jos 21:45  There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass. 

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  14. keras

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    I think you are due for a name change!
    You have failed to study all the scriptures: read carefully the next Book, Judges 1:19,21,27-36 and see how all the Israelite tribes failed to properly clear their land and as a consequence, they fell into idolatry and were eventually sent into exile by God.
    They did conquer most of the area, but not all; from the Nile to the Euphrates. Genesis 15:18 This awaits a final fulfillment. All as plainly prophesied to happen in the end times. And why not? Will God's plan to have a people, His Overcomers; the Israelites of God from every race, nation and language, all faithful believers in Him, finally being the people who will, at last be His witnesses and display His Light to the nations.
    Your opinion on this is noted.
    However I do not agree with it, as the connotation of 'reaping' means 'cutting off and basically the killing' of whatever is reaped. This is hardly what God intends for His people dead or alive.
    There are two stages of the Lord's Judgement on His Day of wrath, first the enemies attacking Israel, then the rest of the worlds ungodly peoples. Isaiah 63:1-6, Habakkuk 3:12, Revelation 6:12-17, +
     
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    The CONTEXT of Revelation 14:14-16 is the 42 MONTHS REIGN OF THE BEAST.

    Tell us who are the SAINTS mentioned in Revelation 13:7.. if they are not Christians who will refuse to take the mark and refuse to worship the Beast?

    Revelation 13:7
    7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, AND TO OVERCOME THEM : and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

    Can you see a pattern ?
    Revelation 14
    9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

    10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God,
    which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
    11---

    12 Here is the patience of the SAINTS: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

    13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

    14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

    15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

    16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
     
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  16. keras

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    That idea simply doesn't fit the text.
    This refers to the 42 month Great Tribulation of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls and then the Lake of Fire. Revelation 20:15
    The Cup of God's wrath is not the same as the winepress. Joel 3:13-16
     
  17. BABerean2

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    Keras,

    You know I love you.

    You are arguing with Joshua, instead of me, since I simply posted the text of Joshua 21:43-45.

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  18. Riberra

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    -Revelation 14 follow Revelation 13 which is about the beginning of the 42 months reign of the Beast ...

    - Revelation 14:14-16 follow the warning made by the flying angel to not take the mark nor worship the beast nor his image Revelation 14:9-13...Those who will not take the mark nor worship the Beast will be beheaded...those who keep the commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus.

    -Thus the reaping of Revelation 14:14-16 refers to those that will be beheaded...

    -While the other reaping mentioned in Revelation 14:17-20 concern those who will have taken the mark...

    Revelation 14:9-13
    9 And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a great voice, If any man worshippeth the beast and his image, and receiveth a mark on his forehead, or upon his hand, 10 he also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is prepared unmixed in the cup of his anger;
     
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  19. keras

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    But you promoted that text as though the ancient Israelites had fulfilled all that God has promised to His people. This is patently wrong and Judges 1 proves it.

    Now, in this age: we know that the faithful people of God are Christians from every tribe, race, nation and language. We are the inheritors of the holy Land, Romans 9:24-26, but this time it will be the Lord who will totally clear and cleanse it for us. Deuteronomy 32:34-43
    Great will be the Day! Isaiah 35:1-10
     
  20. Riberra

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    What these verses describe will happen at the establishment of The Millennium Kingdom of Jesus AFTER Armageddon.

    Armageddon happen during The Great Day of God's Vengeance and Wrath.
     
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