THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY!

[Pyong Ping]

Everyday is the Lord's day and of this I am fully convinced... that's all that matters.

Romans 14:5

Romans 14:5 doesn't say anything about "the Lord's day".

That is misapplying Romans 14 which rends the immediate context.

Romans 14 never utilizes the word "sabbath" even one time.

Romans 1-16 never utilizes the word "sabbath" even one time.

Romans 14 never utilizes the words "the seventh day" even one time.

Romans 1-16 never utilizes the words "the seventh day" even one time.

Romans 14's context speak of what "man esteemeth", not what God esteemeth. As it is written:

Luke 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.​

The "day" under consideration in Romans 14, deals with eating and not eating:

Romans 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

Romans 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

Romans 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Romans 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.​

Paul in Romans 13, mentions specifically a sumation of the second table of the Law, which in love to neighbour is to be fulfilled (kept) by the Christians:

Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Romans 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.​

Those who teach that Romans 14 allows the 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) to be disregarded in its specific words (the 7th day, as spoken and written by God himself), and that any day (other than the 7th) or no day is fine, teach sin (1 John 3:4) and thus break all the commandments (James 2:10).

 

[Hazelelponi]

Hi Hazelelponi,

The Lord's Day is the Sabbath day (Matthew 12:8) and it is not everyday it is the SEVENTH DAY of the week (Exodus 20:8-11). There is no scirpture in God's WORD that says the Lord's Day is the first day of the week.

Romans 14 is talking about food and fasting connected to Holy days. There is no reference to God's 4th Commandment Sabbath in Romans 14 and it does not say God's 4th Commandment is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and nice to meet you.

Hope this helps.

I shared scripture - not my thoughts.

 

[Pyong Ping]

I shared scripture - not my thoughts.

Show me the words "the Lord's day" in Romans 14:5 please.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I shared scripture - not my thoughts.

Hello Hazelelponi,

No you put an interpretation and read something into scripture it was not saying.

Please if you disagree please show in Romans 14 that it is talking about God's 4th commandment SEVENTH DAY Sabbath and where it says God's 4th Commandment Sabbath has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

Also, please show with scripture that the Lord's Day is the first day of the week? God's Word says the Lord's Day is the Sabbath day (Matthew 12:8).

If you cannot prove your interpretation in anything you have written above then you have written into the scriptures something they are not saying.

Hope this helps

 

[Hazelelponi]

Show me the words "the Lord's day" in Romans 14:5 please.

You can live under the law.. i will live according to grace.

Romans 14 is talking about what people think is a sin, and what they don't think is a sin during the transitional phase between Judaism and Christianity.

it's talking about weaker Christians who feel as if they are sinning if they don't observe the Sabbath, for instance, verses the stronger Christians who understand that certain “days,” formerly esteemed as “holy,” henceforth are not to be viewed as such under the law of Christ.

We can couple that with scripture that discusses those who try and put people back under the law, when grace is sufficient - although I'm sure you already know those verses.

Have a good day. Just wanted to set the record straight.

 

[bekkilyn]

Yep, it's spirit of the law vs. letter of the law. Trying to put people back under the letter of the law, after it's already served its purpose to show us that we cannot save ourselves through our own efforts, is a rejection of Jesus' grace.

 

[Pyong Ping]

Yep, it's spirit of the law vs. letter of the law. Trying to put people back under the letter of the law, after it's already served its purpose to show us that we cannot save ourselves through our own efforts, is a rejection of Jesus' grace.

Notice:

Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise​

Where is the "promise" spoken of by Paul in regards this "first commandment"? What "commandment" is this, and where may it be found specifically written? Where is the "promise" specifically written? Who is it given and written for?

Can a Christian take the name of the LORD thy God in vain? If no, why not?

 

[Pyong Ping]

You can live under the law.

I live under the rule of God, by His saving (from sin) grace.

i will live according to grace.

No, you live in present rebellion (no longer ignorance) to the 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11), and call it 'living according to grace', which in reality is self-deception and living in open sin.

Romans 14 is talking about what people think is a sin

Romans 14 is directly connected by very language to 1 Corinthians 8-10. It is speaking about several things. Notice the central heart:

Romans 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.​

In other words, do nothing, in the freedom Christ Jesus provided, to cause another person to sin (1 John 3:4), see (Exodus 20:8-11), and instead of following this, you have turned it around and preach deliberate sin! Hypocrisy.

, and what they don't think is a sin during the transitional phase between Judaism and Christianity.

In a certain sense true, but there is specific matters at hand, namely days of eating/drinking, not eating/not drinking, and in matters of Nazarite vows, and foods offered unto idols sold in the shambles, etc.

it's talking about weaker Christians who feel as if they are sinning if they don't observe the Sabbath

You made it up. The word "sabbath" is not once mentioned in Romans 14, or in all of Romans 1-16. The word "the seventh day" is not mentioned once in Romans 14, or in all of Romans 1-16.

It is speaking to what "man esteemeth", among men, not what God esteemeth in His commandments.

However, Paul in all of Romans 1-16, speaks that sin is the transgresion of the Law, which would include Exodus 20:8-11.

God's grace is given to overcome sin, not live in disobedience to His law.

You have made grace into the sustainer of sin.

Paul wept for such deluded persons.

Philippians 3:18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:​

Why did Paul weep for such? Becuase they were so deceived, they thought disobedience was obedience to God. They thought sin (transgression of God's Law) was evidence of their 'christian' faith.

 

[bekkilyn]

Notice:

Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise​

Where is the "promise" spoken of by Paul in regards this "first commandment"? What "commandment" is this, and where may it be found specifically written? Where is the "promise" specifically written? Who is it given and written for?

Can a Christian take the name of the LORD thy God in vain? If no, why not?

Why would a Christian *want* to? It wouldn't be in the nature of the Holy Spirit to do so.

“But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit” (Rom. 7:6).

 

[Eloy Craft]

The GREEK word for Church is ἐκκλησία; ekklēsia (G1577) which means an assembly of BELIEVERS. God's Chuch who God calls ISRAEL are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD.

This started in the OLD TESTAMENT from Adam and Eve, Able, Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Samual and all the prophets and all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOWED God's WORD * Hebrews 11.

This has continued to all those in the NEW TESTAMENT who BELIVEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD to those living though time down to today who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD are God's Church (ISRAEL).

If you BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD you are a part of God's Church and God's ISRAEL. God has always had a people all thought time who BELIEVE and FOLLOWED God's WORD even in the days of Elijah when Elijah thought he was the only one left. God said he had 7000 that had not bowed the kness to BAAL. God's Chuch did not start in the NEW TESTAMENT it continued into the NEW COVENANT and the Gentiles invided to be a part of God's Church.

There is not one scripture in all of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. Some of the annual Jewish festivals (Leviticus 23) have there fulfillment after the Passover which Jesus was our passover lamb (Feast of First fruits, Jesus ressurrection). These were foretold in the MOSAIC BOOK of shadow laws in the OLD and NEW Testament scriptures.

Hope this is helpful.

All that to evade the question? You don't have an answer do ya?

 

[Eloy Craft]

The Lord's Day is the Sabbath day (Matthew 12:8)

He's Lord of the Sabbath doesn't mean it is the Lord's day. Where does it say it's the Lord's day?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

All that to evade the question? You don't have an answer do ya?

Your question was answered with scripture in detail, maybe you did not like the answer because it pointed out your error in thinking God's Church only started in the New Testament and there is no scripture that says God's 4th commandment has now been Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

He's Lord of the Sabbath doesn't mean it is the Lord's day. Where does it say it's the Lord's day?

The Sabbath is a day of rest (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11)

MATTHEW 12:8 [8], For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Hope this helps

 

[Eloy Craft]

Your question was answered with scripture in detail, maybe you did not like the answer because it pointed out your error in thinking God's Church only started in the New Testament and there is no scripture that says God's 4th commandment has now been Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

Why did the Holy Spirit mention the first day of the week so many times? What is the significance of the first day of the week? You didn't answer that question. that's the one I asked.

 

[Eloy Craft]

The Sabbath is a day of rest (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11)

MATTHEW 12:8 [8], For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Hope this helps

Where does it say it's the Lord's day? All I got was your opinion.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Where does it say it's the Lord's day? All I got was your opinion.

No you did not you got scripture that says Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath day. That is the same as saying that the Sabbath day is the Lord's Day.

MATTHEW 12:8 [8], For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

The Lord's day according to God's WORD is the Sabbath day. He was the one who blessed it, set it aside and made it a Holy day and commands us to remember it as part of the finished work of creation.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Why did the Holy Spirit mention the first day of the week so many times? What is the significance of the first day of the week? You didn't answer that question. that's the one I asked.

Hello Eloy,

I am not quite sure why you feel the first day of the week was mentioned as you say "so many times by the Holy Spirit"?

The first day of the week is only mentioned around 11 times that I know of in the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures. That is not very many times at all.

Where, on the other hand, you have the Sabbath mentioned around 79 times.

Maybe a better question may be why did the Holy Spirit mention the Sabbath so many times in the NEW TESTAMENT?

I am not sure what it is you want answered.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[Eloy Craft]

No you did not you got scripture that says Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath day. That is the same as saying that the Sabbath day is the Lord's Day.

You gave scripture but added your opinion. I bolded your opinion. The thing is, you aren't distinguishing the two.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You gave scripture but added your opinion. I bolded your opinion. The thing is, you aren't distinguishing the two.

Not Really Elloy, you get exactly the same answer with scripture alone.

Question: What is the Lord's Day?
Answer: MATTHEW 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

You can choose to believe God's WORD or not it is up to you.

 

[Eloy Craft]

The first day of the week is only mentioned around 11 times that I know of in the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures. That is not very many times at all.

This is what I thought you would do. There is no significance attached to what is written in the Word of God if it doesn't agree with you. The words of the Holy Spirit " the first day of the week" written 11 times according to you, has no meaning?

What other day is mentioned as a day of the week? Many many things happened on other days but we don't read it as a numbered day of the week. The only other day written in that way is the seventh day and the third day. But it is not followed by 'of the week'. It's written 'on the third day' or the seventh day',. The reason that the first day is mentioned like this is because it is pointing to the week of creation. That day has a two fold symbolism that both fit precisely with the rest that God entered that the Jews will not enter according to Scriptures.


Hebrews 4 [Full Chapter]
[ The Rest That God Promised ] Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest is still open, let us take care that none of you should seem to have failed to reach it. For indeed the good news came to us just as to them; but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened. For we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said, “As in my anger I swore, ‘They shall not enter my rest,’” though his works were finished at the foundation of the world. ...

“And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.” 5 And again in this place it says, “They shall not enter my rest.” 6 Since therefore it remains open for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, 7 again he sets a certain day—“today”—saying through David much later, in the words already quoted,

“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”

8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not speak later about another day. 9 So then, a sabbath rest still remains for the people of God; 10 for those who enter God’s rest also cease from their labors as God did from his. 11 Let us therefore make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one may fall through such disobedience as theirs.

The author is describing the rest that is eternal symbolized by the first day of a NEW week and the eighth day of the week destined for destruction and renewal. It's not a law as such described by letters but a living law written by human lives on the surface of the earth.
The Lord's Day isn't a possession of the Lord but IS Our Lord Jesus.. Why was this written to the Hebrews? Same reason it pertains to you. They deny that Jesus is our eternal rest, our Sabbath. This is what is taught by the letter to the Hebrews. This is why those Jesus said of"those who hear you hear me" , members of His Body, worship on Sunday because what they worship is Himself the eternal day of eternal rest and the union of the New Heaven and New Earth.

You know what is significant about the first day of the week? God said "Let there be light". This is Our Risen Lord. This is the light of Christ. Written before that in the text is the Holy Spirit hovering over the waters like the Law and the Prophets, well personified by John the Baptist, making a straight way for the Lord.

That is why Sunday is called 'the first day of the week' so many times in the NT. The First Day and the eighth day point to that eternal rest the author of Hebrews was writing about. Jesus Christ Our Lord and Savior. The Lord's Day.